Netanyahu brushes off world condemnation of settlement plans

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    Elbuda Mexicano

    Screw this bastard Netanyahu! He is made out of the same, crazy, nutter material as his friend with the beady eyes over in Teheran. America should WITH HOLD billions and billions of $$$ earmarked to these greed fools in Israel.

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    Steric Hindrance

    Very few national leaders can "brush off" world condemnation, I guess that Netanyahu is one of them.

    Yeah, and very few national leaders can get 29 standing ovations in the US congress, like Bibi got last year; not even Obama can get that. Bibi can brush off world condemnation because he knows that he can count on the US to defend them militarily, financially, and at the UN.

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    ubikwit

    The Palestinians have to proceed to joining the ICJ and pursue war criminals like this guy in that forum.

    The US government is in denial, and they slipped further down the slippery slope of moral decrepitude by voting against the recent resolution.

    Protecting the "promised land" from the infidels has become the bread and butter of the military industrial complex.

    And if there's one thing there's no shortage of in the Middle East, it's infidels! Just ask anybody from any of the various religious groups. The Middle East is a veritable paragon of piety.

    Until we get some adult supervision--i.e., the ICJ--it would appear that the US tax payer is going to be stuck continuously financing the military adventures of these people that would otherwise be regarded as perpetrators of war crimes.

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    SuperLib

    Netanyahu has to go. Period. He doesn't believe the Palestinians will deliver on peace and he's setting up Israel for that reality.

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    zichi

    Israel believes it can do whatever it likes, regardless of world opinion and international courts.

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    slumdog

    I wish Israelis would brush off Netanyahu in the next election.

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    Tamarama

    Ubikwit

    Hear, hear.

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    John Joyce

    Do you actually believe that Netanyahu is seeking a just peace with the Palestinians. Not a chance . With the US submitting their neck his choke hold he feels he can do as he wants

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    labelle

    I agree that it would be a good thing if Netanyahu were voted out at the upcoming election. However, what exactly have the Palestinians done lately to show the Israelis that they are genuinely interested in a peaceful two-state solution?

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    Steric Hindrance

    what exactly have the Palestinians done lately to show the Israelis that they are genuinely interested in a peaceful two-state solution?

    The Palestinians have repeatedly expressed interest in long term peace with the Israelis if they follow international law, which includes moving back to the 1967 borders, and the right of return. In other words, they are willing to accept getting only 22% of historical Palestine to live in peace! Even this arrangement would be extremely unfair towards the Palestinians, but they are willing to accept it to live in peace. But who opposes this? The Israelis, they want more. Yeah the Israelis say they want peace, as they murder kids playing soccer or bomb UN schools with white phosphorous. They say they want to negotiate a two-state solution but what the Israelis are willing to consider is nowhere close to the already very unfair 67 borders.

    What more would you expect them to do? The Palestinians are the ones being illegally occupied, abused, and murdered.

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    slumdog

    The Palestinians have repeatedly expressed interest in long term peace with the Israelis if they follow international law, which includes moving back to the 1967 borders, and the right of return. In other words, they are willing to accept getting only 22% of historical Palestine to live in peace!

    Hamas is not willing to do those things, even if they got right of return. As you know, right of return would destroy Israel. Hamas does not mind this because they continue to have the destruction of Israel in their charter. Why do you keep making this claim when you have been shown it is incorrect. This is the second time I have corrected you and you don't even acknowledge it. Any particular reason for this?

    Anyway, here is Hamas' Mashaal's clear opinion about being against peace with Israel. So, please stop claiming Hamas wants peace. They clearly do not and have not offered peace.

    http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/49931346/ns/today-today_news/t/gaza-war-offers-boost-hamas-leader-meshaal/

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/22/us-palestinians-israel-meshaal-idUSBRE8AL0PB20121122

    Mashaal does not accept the idea of a permanent peace deal with Israel but has said Hamas could accept a Palestinian state in the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem as a temporary solution in return for a long-term truce.

    Here is an older Hamas quote showing that there is no change in the basic position:

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/haniyeh-calls-for-formation-of-palestinian-state-on-1967-lines-1.207641

    Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh on Tuesday reiterated a callfor a long-term truce with Israel and for the formation of a temporary Palestinian state along the 1967 borders. In a rambling televised speech that stretched more than 40 minutes, Haniyeh said the truce could last as long as 20 years, after an independent Palestinian state is established in territories captured by Israel in the 1967 Six Day War. Haniyeh told students at the Tehran University during a visit to Iran two weeks ago that Hamas would never recognize Israel.

    The deal is supposed to be land for peace. Hamas is clear that it does not believe in this.

    Netanyahu is a yahoo, no doubt, but to claim Hamas is roses and sweetness and that they want to make peace when they have specifically said they will never do so seems to be an attempt to avoid inconvenient realities.

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    labelle

    All that slumdog says is correct. Abbas is also on record as saying that a future Palestinian state would be free of Jews. Peaceful coexistence?

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    nandakandamanda

    When in doubt dig the hole deeper.

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    Steric Hindrance

    slumdog, since you seem to like Haretz, have you seen this one: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israeli-peace-activist-hamas-leader-jabari-killed-amid-talks-on-long-term-truce.premium-1.478085

    “Hours before Hamas strongman Ahmed Jabari was assassinated, he received the draft of a permanent truce agreement with Israel, which included mechanisms for maintaining the cease-fire in the case of a flare-up between Israel and the factions in the Gaza Strip. This, according to Israeli peace activist Gershon Baskin, who helped mediate between Israel and Hamas in the deal to release Gilad Shalit and has since then maintained a relationship with Hamas leaders. Baskin told Haaretz on Thursday that senior officials in Israel knew about his contacts with Hamas and Egyptian intelligence aimed at formulating the permanent truce, but nevertheless approved the assassination.”

    From wiki: “In an April 2008 meeting between Hamas leader Khaled Meshal and former US President Jimmy Carter, an understanding was reached in which Hamas agreed it would respect the creation of a Palestinian state in the territory seized by Israel in the 1967 Six-Day War, provided this were ratified by the Palestinian people in a referendum. Hamas later publicly offered a long-term truce with Israel if Israel agreed to return to its 1967 borders and grant the "right of return" to all Palestinian refugees.[58] In November 2008, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh re-stated that Hamas was willing to accept a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders, and offered Israel a long-term truce "if Israel recognized the Palestinians' national rights."[59] In 2009, in a letter to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, Haniyeh repeated his group's support for a two-state settlement based on 1967 borders: "We would never thwart efforts to create an independent Palestinian state with borders [from] June 4, 1967, with Jerusalem as its capital."[60] On 1 December 2010, Ismail Haniyeh again repeated that, "We accept a Palestinian state on the borders of 1967, with Jerusalem as its capital, the release of Palestinian prisoners, and the resolution of the issue of refugees", and that "Hamas will respect the results [of a referendum] regardless of whether it differs with its ideology and principles".”

    From another Haretz article: "Hamas government had agreed to accept a Palestinian state that followed the 1967 borders and to offer Israel a long-term hudna, or truce, if Israel recognized the Palestinians' national rights."

    And lets not forget that according to Likud party platform, there cannot be a Palestinian state between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean. Maybe that is why so many keep repeating the Israeli talking point “What about Jordan?”

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    gelendestrasse

    This whole settlements thing is just annexation by a different name. It's a provocation. I'm glad the EU governments are holding the diplomats feet to the fire but I don't see any good coming from this one.

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    slumdog

    SH,

    Why are you linking articles from wiki that repeat what I wrote? I don't get the point. I already wrote Hamas only wants a truce for return of all the occupied territories, right of return (right of return meaning the destruction of Israel) and that they have clearly stated several times that they have no intention of making peace with Israel. Hamas' position is not what the UN resolutions talk about. They clearly talk about land for peace.

    there cannot be a Palestinian state between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean

    Do you have a link for that platform. Natanyahu claims he is willing to make peace based on the two state solution. I could not find your quote. You made a rather glaring mistake when you claimed German ( and Romanian and Polish) Jews still had their citizenships from those countries in Palestine when they were stripped of them by the Nuremburg Laws. So, I am starting to think you are not using very good sources for some of your claims. I did, however, once again find Hamas' charter that has the goal of the destruction of Israel in it.

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    Herve Nmn L'Eisa

    Peaceful co-NON-existence. Neither side can accept the other, thousands of years of history to prove it.

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    Steric Hindrance

    SD,

    You keep saying that Its only Israel that is interested in peace, so why would they assassinate the Hamas guy who was negotiating a permanent truce agreement with Israel?

    The info I provided regarding citizenship come from the Palestinian authority of that time. Over 2/3 of Jewish immigrants in Palestine did not have Palestinian citizenship, so you were wrong, not me (you seem to find it important to assign who was right and who was wrong).

    So for those who immigrated from Germany, do you think the Palestinian authorities went into their books and crossed out their German citizenship the moment the Nuremberg laws went into effect? You should give things more thought before telling others they're wrong.

    About the Likud party platform, I got it from Chomsky, many consider him a dependable source.

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    slumdog

    You keep saying that Its only Israel that is interested in peace, so why would they assassinate the Hamas guy who was negotiating a permanent truce agreement with Israel?

    I am not the Israeli government. However, Hamas says even now a truce is a temporary solution. Hamas wants to destroy Israel and says they never want peace with Israel. So, Israel considers them an enemy. Israel claims they want peace, but they seem to be talking about with the Palestinian Authority.

    The info I provided regarding citizenship come from the Palestinian authority of that time. Over 2/3 of Jewish immigrants in Palestine did not have Palestinian citizenship

    You claimed they had German, Romanian and Polish citizenship, too. As this was clearly impossible due to the Nuremburg laws that stripped them of those citizenships, I questioned the correctness of your claim. Obviously you were wrong about the citizenships they had, because it would be impossible for them to have them. Please site a credible source for your claim.

    So for those who immigrated from Germany, do you think the Palestinian authorities went into their books and crossed out their German citizenship

    You are not paying attention. They could not have had German citizenship to begin with. It was stripped away from them under the Nuremburg laws. They were not German citizens. What is so difficult for you to understand? Anyway, I highly doubt your claim. Remember, you also claimed Hamas wanted peace, when they only want the temporary solution of a truce, Meshaal's words.

    About the Likud party platform

    Show me the platform, not someone else's words, please. In your very short time posting, you are starting to have a credibility problem.

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    slumdog

    You keep saying that Its only Israel that is interested in peace

    In point of fact, I have not been saying this either. I have just been saying Hamas is not interested in peace and specfically says they never want to make peace. I do think the Palestinian Authority is interested in peace. The two sides came awfully close in 2000. It's a shame Arafat left the negotiations suddenly and made that horrific speech after so much had been accomplished in their meetings with the Israelis. I am clear in my opinion of Netanyahu. I don't like him and I don't like what he is doing. That does not mean what Hamas is doing is correct. Plainly objecting to any possibility of peace is wrong and Hamas plainly and publically rejects and has rejected it many times.

    You want to suggest all Israelis are in the wrong because Netanyahu is in the wrong. That is like suggesting all Palestinians are in the wrong because Meshaal is in the wrong. You cannot paint either side with that broad a brush stroke. It just doesn't work that way. The majority of negotiators on both the Palestinian and Israeli side said that they could have made a peace agreement in 2000, if they had had four more days. That tells me both sides want to make a deal. Hamas is not included because they have clearly said they do not want to make a land for permanent peace deal.

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