Netanyahu hits back at Iran Holocaust claims

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Cicada at 08:17 PM JST - 1st October

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu delivered his most passionate and public riposte yet to Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s questioning of "the Holocaust".

sabiwabi:

This great man probably did more harm to the holocaust industry than ...

Well, yes, one would have hoped that he could actually back up his "riposte" with documents. It's not quite enough for him to get emotional about his wife's grandparents being killed in the war.

And this is a high stakes duel between the leaders of two countries. That was the best he could do?

This leaves a bad impression upon the majority of people, who are neutral and not taking sides at either extreme. Not to mention that Ahmadinejad’s people are in the vast majority already highly skeptical.
sabiwabi at 08:26 PM JST - 1st October

It seems Hilberg was quite a good witness.

Yes Raul Hilberg, the number one holocaust expert at the time, was forced to admit under oath that he was not aware of any scientific investigation of the camps or documents showing the nazis' intentions. Wow, some mountains of documents and evidence.

Specifically, how so? Your post is lacking in detail about that point.

I spelled it clearly above. When you enter a discussion, you should have the common courtesy to find out what has been discussed.
kinniku at 08:59 PM JST - 1st October

Mr. Hilberg was a good enough witness that Zundel lost his trial. The documents are there and you have seen some of them, especially those referring to homicidal gas chambers and admitted they exist no matter how much you attempt to backtrack. It is just that you now claim, that they don't matter or that you don't care.

When you enter a discussion, you should have the common courtesy to find out what has been discussed.

No, in your 12 or so posts you barely commented on the documents at all. Maybe you should do the courtesy of reading what you write. Anyway, you didn't specifically say why seeing those specific documents he brought only further confirms to you supposedly how flimsy the evidence supporting the holocaust is. So, get to it. Why, specifically, clearly and consisely, did seeing these documents make you think that? Again, this is a simple question. In the time it took you to write what you did, you should have been able to answer it instead of deflecting it.
kinniku at 09:02 PM JST - 1st October

Well, yes, one would have hoped that he could actually back up his "riposte" with documents.

He did bring documents (blueprints). It is in the article. Sabiwabi just doesn't like the documents, although he is being coy about why he doesn't like them.
Cicada at 09:17 PM JST - 1st October

The Israeli leader came armed with original documents handed to him last month when he visited Germany...

The article does not state specifically what "documents" he was given. And, huh?, these very important documents he did not have until last month? Oh, come on.
sabiwabi at 12:22 PM JST - 2nd October

He did bring documents (blueprints)

The "deniers" do not deny the existence of the camp. Yes, the Nazis had concentration camps and they put many people in them, about half of them Jews. So he brings the blueprints of the camp; big deal. The problem is most people will blindly gobble it up, thinking its real proof of a plan to systematically kill European Jews.

This whole charade was meant to distract from the nearly 600 page UN report dedicated mostly to Israeli war crimes in Gaza. The report confirmed that Israel used weapons (including illegal weapons) against a defenseless civilian population in Gaza. The report also stated that Israel not only committed war crimes, but indeed may have also committed crimes against humanity.

This charade gives puppet leaders the opportunity to ignore Israeli war crimes and focus instead on punishing Iran, who has done absolutely nothing wrong.
kinniku at 01:37 PM JST - 3rd October

Cicada,

I don't understand what your complaint is.
kinniku at 01:41 PM JST - 3rd October

Sabiwabi,

You still in your 13 or so posts did not specifically say why the blueprints he brought further confirms to you supposedly how flimsy the evidence supporting the holocaust is. So, get to it. Why, specifically, clearly and consisely, did seeing these documents make you think that? Again, this is a simple question. In the time it took you to write what you did, you should have been able to answer it instead of deflecting it.

This whole charade was meant to distract from the nearly 600 page UN report dedicated mostly to Israeli war crimes in Gaza.

Baloney. Humans are not goldfish. We can pay attention to two horrible events at the same time.

Still waiting for specific proof and easy to understand, concise and specific back up of your fantastic claim of the unrealistic number of only 200,000 Jewish inmates that you claimed 'died' and were not killed by the Nazis. Let's keep it short and simple. Were does this number come from and how can you simply, concisely and specifically back it up?
sabiwabi at 10:52 PM JST - 3rd October

You still in your 13 or so posts did not specifically say why the blueprints he brought further confirms to you supposedly how flimsy the evidence supporting the holocaust is.

I spelled it out so clearly, let me try to explain it in a way you might understand.

This very very very important speech.

Therefore he bring number 1 best proof.

EVERYONE agrees there was a camp, but he bring blue print of camp, duh!

Baloney. Humans are not goldfish. We can pay attention to two horrible events at the same time.

But the UN report of Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity certainly disappeared from MSM. Its not the first time that Israeli crimes are followed by a "hey-look-over-there" event.
kinniku at 11:02 PM JST - 3rd October

sabiwabi,

This very very very important speech.

What gives you the idea it was such an important speech? I don't think it was.

Therefore he bring number 1 best proof.

He wasn't trying to 'prove' anything. He knows it happened, as do most normal people. It was not a trial, it was a speech. He brought a blueprint of a place that was used to kill people. That is plenty for the kind of speech he gave.

But the UN report of Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity certainly disappeared from MSM.

The reports names war crimes by both parties. Funny how you always managed to make that part disappear.

"hey-look-over-there" event.

Umm...nobody seems to be talking about this particular event much in the MSM or anywhere else except for us, or hadn't you noticed. In fact, if Ahmadinejad would just be quiet, the subject would probably come up a lot less.
kinniku at 11:10 PM JST - 3rd October

Sorry, I forgot to ask:

Still waiting for specific proof and easy to understand, concise and specific back up of your fantastic claim of the unrealistic number of only 200,000 Jewish inmates that you claimed 'died' and were not killed by the Nazis. Let's keep it short and simple. Were does this number come from and how can you simply, concisely and specifically back it up?
Cicada at 11:20 PM JST - 3rd October

kinniku:

I don't understand what your complaint is.

Why do you assume I am complaining? The news media presented this as Netanyahu having recently obtained important evidentiary documents:

The Israeli leader came armed with original documents handed to him last month when he visited Germany

I would have thought that any important evidence was already on display in some "holocaust" museum, or even perhaps available for viewing on the Internet. How surprising that the Israelis are still in the process of obtaining important documents.
kinniku at 11:47 PM JST - 3rd October

Why do you assume I am complaining?

The 'Oh, come one' remark, among others certainly appear to be complaints.

The news media presented this as Netanyahu having recently obtained important evidentiary documents:

This article presents this as Netanyahu hitting back or responding to Ahmadinejad. The article further mentions he had some blueprints. I don't see a whole lot more to it than that. This was not a trial to convince a judge. The world is quite familiar with what happened during WWII not matter how much deniers claim otherwise. Witness how sabiwabi is unable to back up his numbers.

I would have thought that any important evidence was already on display in some "holocaust" museum, or even perhaps available for viewing on the Internet.

Meaning specifically what, exactly? You are very unclear.

How surprising that the Israelis are still in the process of obtaining important documents.

Same question, as above. You are very unclear. What specifically is it you want to say?
Sarge at 11:49 PM JST - 3rd October

I'm not sure about all the other countries surrounding Israel, but I'm pretty sure that Israel will survive.
sabiwabi at 01:00 PM JST - 5th October

I'm not sure about all the other countries surrounding Israel, but I'm pretty sure that Israel will survive.

Well, the Nazi and Soviet regimes aren't around anymore, so lets see what happens.