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Netanyahu may endorse Palestinian state on US trip

World May. 17, 2009 - 05:35AM JST ( 9 )

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graftonMay. 17, 2009 - 08:14AM JST

““I think and believe that Netanyahu will tell Obama this government is prepared to go for a political process that will result in two peoples living side by side in peace and mutual respect,”

Muslims can’t live in peace with Muslims so what chance will anybody else be given? Since this “news item” involves Israel we can expect sabi-what-not to pop up soon, so, sabi please try to be reasonable & answer a simple question. There are millions of Jews living in Israel, where do you want then to go should the Arabs get there way? No inane waffle about your version of the past, no propaganda, just simply say where you want these to people to go.
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BrunobearMay. 17, 2009 - 11:23AM JST

Grafton. If they are prepared to put their allegiance first and foremost to Australia, then many would be welcome in Melbourne as they always have been. We are a city of 4 million with 180 different nationalities living in complete harmony. We are the fourth biggest University city on the planet and a world leader in medical research and technology.

It does not seen sensible to keep packing assimilated Jewish people from around the world into tiny arid, almost waterless Israel. Certainly, the strict orthodox should stay in Israel if that is what they want. But realistically, the majority who just want a peaceful, safe and prosperous way of life with opportunity for their families future the main choice has to be the young prosperous Protestant Christian countries that flowed from Britain, ie., Australia, the US, New Zealand and Canada or even Britain.

Israel is never going to be a technological superstate or even self sufficent. It is always going to have to be propt up by Jewish and protestant Christian supporters from those five countries, particularly the US.

It is time to get Israel and the Palestinians off the front pages.

Jews must see there best future is not tying there children to the historic holly land other than as occasional tourists like the rest of us. Mr Netanyahu, who has spent a lot of time in Melbourne must see there is a better way if you take race and religion off the front pages. Those Jews who do come here just must accommodate the patron Saint of the Jews, Saint Kilda. The Saints are ion top of the Australian football (AFL)ladder, with seven wins out of seven. That is the only religion on the front pages in Melbourne: AFL football. And its fun!
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Den DenMay. 17, 2009 - 02:42PM JST

"may", after annexing the West Bank and fortifying Gaza.
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WilliBMay. 17, 2009 - 09:53PM JST

Another completely misleading headline.

Previous Jewish leaders have endorsed a Palestinian state, many times. In fact, Arafat was offered it in 2000, and he responded with a campaign of terrorism.

The difference is of course in the fine print. When "Palestinian" (aka muslim Arab) leaders talk about a "Palestinian State", they do not mean a state existing next to the state of Israel, but one that comes with conditions which are suicidal for Israel.

Alas, chances the current US Potus will, out of ignorance or willfully, pressure Israel to accept just such suicidal conditions.
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WilliBMay. 17, 2009 - 11:12PM JST

Bruno Bear:

> " We are a city of 4 million with 180 different nationalities living in complete harmony. "

LOL... tell that to the good Sheik Zoud at the muslim prayer center: http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s1701906.htm Or to Samir Abu Hamzat at the same: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24946317-5006785,00.html Or to the students at Melbourne Uni: http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25224369-5001028,00.html

And now imagine you are surrounded by muslim countries who dispute your right to live in Australian.

" Mr Netanyahu, who has spent a lot of time in Melbourne must see there is a better way if you take race and religion off the front pages. "

Race has nothing to do with anything here. Religion, absolutely. And if you took religion out of the equation, there would be no muslim resistance against the Jewish state. The united muslim front against Israel is purely based on religion.

Which you would know if you had done your homework.
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Helter_SkelterMay. 18, 2009 - 04:05AM JST

Israel is never going to be a technological superstate or even self sufficent.

According to Morgan Stanley, "high technology goods and services have developed beyond the wildest projections and now account for about one-third of GDP and 75 percent of industrial exports," making Israel "one of the most competitive economies in the world."

The World Economic Forum ranks Israel second in the world for the amount of funds raised by technology start-ups, following only the U.S. Israel ranks first in Research and Development expenditure as a percentage of GDP, third in skilled labor availability, and fourth in quality of scientific research institutions.

And this is despite being surrounded by hostile Muslim Arabs who insist the Infidel join them in living in the 14th century.

http://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/221/israels-high-tech-boom
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BrunobearMay. 19, 2009 - 07:57PM JST

WilliB. I appears your references are matters involving Sydney not Melbourne. If it comes to Israeli economic and Jewish population history in Israel may I refer you to Nadav Halevi, Hebrew University article on the internet 'A Brief Economic History of Modern Israel'. Helter Skelter as much as we all might wish Israel economic success, lets be realistic, only 40% of its population are in the workforce, it has enough oil for about nine years and natural gas 15 years. It is a high production cost country remote from its major markets. Only 15% of its mere 20,000km2 land mass is productive and being arid it relies heavily on irrigation. The Palestinian per capita income was good in the seventies but has dropped to a mere US$900 now, about 5% of Israel's which is less than half of that in the US. Most of the mere 150,000 Palestinian workers allowed into Israel work on manual tasks in agriculture and building construction. There is little chance of Netanyahu agreeing to an independent Palestinian state where Palestinians can regain their former economic success. Few of its technological advances have turned into products the world markets demand. It still relies heavily on the US for its military hardware and spends 25% of GDP on defence. It has somewhere around 300,000 displaced Arab refugees in northern Israel and a legion of hostile Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza as well as neighbouring Arab as distinct from Moslem countries. Turkey with a population of 65 million for example is not hostile to Israel.

The facts are there were few Jews in Israel until Zionists started moving there in the 1880's and by 1920 just 56,000. A tiny percentage of the population. They maintained a separate culture and economy to the Arabs from the 1920's and still do. The Arab population has been swamped by various waves of Jewish immigration the latest being over 1 million from the former Soviet Union after its collapse in 1988.

Anyone with a dispassionate and perhaps enlightened view would question whether the future of 50% of a non-growing 14 million world Jewish population is there at the expense of several million Palestinian Arabs who maintained continuous occupation for the past two thousand years, long after Jews effectively abandoned the "holy land" for Europe and later the US.