Netanyahu: No war crimes trials for Israelis

Tuesday 13th October, 05:25 AM JST

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skipthesong at 11:48 PM JST - 13th October

The apartheid regime in Israel simply cannot be reasoned with." Nope, they can't even from day one when they had nothing. What's the words to that old disco song.... no black, no jews and no gays.... looking for the place...

Even after Israel finally gets annihilated, which they eventually will, you'd say the same thing, you got a real Farrakhan in you. Remind me of of Crown Heights speakers.
TumbleDry at 12:11 AM JST - 14th October

cow76: Jews are not all Israelis and all Israelis are not Jews. Thanks.
TheQuestion at 02:32 AM JST - 14th October

I think Israelis and Arabs just love war and destruction. Let them have at it.

I'll drink to that.
Helter_Skelter at 06:44 AM JST - 14th October

The U.N. report...

Not worth the paper it's written on. Hard to believe there are actually posters passionately defending a U.N. report. :-D

Netanyahu is correct to disregard it.
Everton2 at 07:41 AM JST - 14th October

Israel is really selective about justice. It has a way of using the UN when it suits its purposes. Israel is currently in violation of at lease two UN resolutions that relates to building in the occupied territories.

In addition, any adequate assessment of Israel must be viewed in the context of how they treat the Falashian Jews, brought to Israel in great fan fair only to suffer discrimination and humiliation on a daily basis. If they can't get a fair shake in Israel how can we seriously expect anyone else will let alone the disenfranchised Palestinian majority.

The regime in Tel Aviv is by all definition a carbon copy of the regime that imprisoned Nelson Mandela, the world most respected statesman for 27 years without trial

Moderator: Comparisons with South Africa are not relevant. Stay on topic please.
FromEurope at 06:33 PM JST - 14th October

The Israeli government is one of the most rogue administration. Even the many non israeli and israeli jews are against its policy. You can find many sites like "jewish voice for peace" that asks the action against Israeli government. I used to hate Bush US government, but I didn't hate Americans. I have two jewish friends and they hate what Israeli government does, too. (They are not israeli) Many posters here mix up the Israeli government and Jews. Most of us hate Israeli government and it's policy but not Jews (who are not neccessarilly israeli). So anti-Israeli government isn't anti-Semitic.
kinniku at 12:40 PM JST - 15th October

Everton2 and FromEurope,

I hope you don't mind me grouping my response together for the both of you as you both have written similar comments. I question whether you both actually know what the words 'regime' mean (hint when used negatively it is used to descibe an authoritarian government such as a dictatorship where citizens of the country have little or no say or influence, BTW, not the case with Israel) and I further question whether you are attempting to look at this situation logically or if you are merely relying on emotive responses. Let's play a game called "What if?". What if a country that was at war with Israel were to finally make peace with Israel. Would Israel be able to stay at peace with that country? Of course, the answer is 'yes' and we don't even have to play 'What if?' to know this. Look at Egypt and Jordan and the fact that they are at peace with Israel. Has Israel attacked these countries? No. Have these countries attacked Israel. No. That is what would happen if the other countries, including Palestine, were to make peace with Israel.

Everton2,

Discussions about racism in Israel is a delusory argument. The situation you described, while actual, is not a part of a government sanctioned policy. It is merely a sympton of racism on the parts of individuals. All you managed to do is prove Israelis are humans, too. Nobody is attempting to say Israelis are better than any other group of people. We are talking about how the countries act with other countries and how they are treated. Your point about the settlements is also delusory. Let me explain why by asking another question. How many settlements are there in Sinai now? Zero. How many are there in Gaza now? Zero. How many in Jordan now? Zero. So, let's play 'What if?' again. How many settlements will there be in a future independent Palestinian state? The answer is zero. So, instead of focusing on what is on the land, maybe it would be better for the Palestinians to focus on getting the land back and then using what is on the land.

FromEurope, your comments on anti-semitism and anti-Israeli sentiments seem to indicate that you have not actually read the conversation up to now. No one is attempting to suggest that anti-Israeli government is the same as anti-semitic. In fact, I and others have just discussed above that we know they are not. That doesn't mean one cannot comment about racism when it does exist and comment on the effect it would have on the opinion of someone discussing Israel or Jews in general.
FromEurope at 11:37 PM JST - 15th October

Kinniku I am suggesting that we need to have a close look in the possibility of war crime by the Israeli soldiers and judge them, in spite of what Netanyau claims. We are talking about the war crime in Gaza perpetrated by Israel, not about the getting back the territory or the good relationship between Israel and Egypt or Jordan.

Of course I would disagree with the statement that Israel can do whatever it wants. I also disagree with calling anyone that disagrees with Israeli policy an antisemite. However, you will admit that many that claim to disagree with Israeli policy are actually anti-semites.

I wanted to point out that there are actually many Jews who disagree with Israeli policy. And I don't think they are anti-semites, like you affirm.
kinniku at 12:22 AM JST - 16th October

FromEurope,

I am suggesting that we need to have a close look in the possibility of war crime by the Israeli soldiers and judge them, in spite of what Netanyau claims.

As I mentioned, such questions would be healthy. However, I notice your lack of interest as shown by your lack of comment of any close looks at Hamas behaviour and of the possibility of war crimes on the part of Hamas soldiers. Pretty unbalanced if you ask me, and even if you don't.

We are talking about the war crime in Gaza perpetrated by Israel, not about the getting back the territory or the good relationship between Israel and Egypt or Jordan.

Nope. It does not work that way. You cannot lightly and brazenly use a specific term like 'rogue regime' and ignore that fact that what you refer to as such has made and kept peace with its neighbors and left the Gaza Strip intending not to return there. That is not a 'rogue regime'. A rogue regime would be North Korea taking aid from Japan and not being a state of war with Japan and still firing rockets in Japan's direction. It is about whether Palestinians really want to get a state of their own or keeping supporting Hamas which does not want to live peacefully side by side with Israel. So, sorry. It most certainly is about back territory for the Palestinians. That is what it is all about.

I wanted to point out that there are actually many Jews who disagree with Israeli policy.

Again. You are not pointing out anything new, not even in this conversation. In fact, what you wrote doesn't even make a lot of sense in the scheme of things. They disagree with what policy? All Israeli policy? Some? A little bit. To each their own? As far as my 'affirming' anything. Since I was already speaking of such a thing when you came along, you were 'affirming' what I had to say, or repeating it anyway. It still doesn't change the fact that that doesn't mean one cannot comment about racism when it does exist and comment on the effect it would have on the opinion of someone discussing Israel or Jews in general. Haven't your two Jewish friends mention that to you as well?
FromEurope at 09:33 AM JST - 16th October

In your comment, you always play with the words. (like your "What if" game) Your comment is always the critics about the other posters and I don't see your own opinion.

What do you mean by "your lack of comment of any close looks at Hamas behaviour and of the possibility of war crimes on the part of Hamas soldiers." ?
Did you read the caption?

Netanyau says "No war crimes trials for Israelis".

My comment is "we need to have a close look in the possibility of war crime by the Israeli soldiers and judge them" What else do you want ? When I say "we", it's of course I meant the UN. What do you expect ?

Don't try to change the subject by expanding the point. That's what you do always to scramble the points. For me, what you write doesn't make much sense on this issue. I don't see any of your comment about what Netanyahu said. You just trip up the other poster's comment. Maybe you want to show that you know a lot of things, but when it's irrelevant, it's irrelevant. (or maybe it's relevant like when the butterfly wings in Brazil, there is a storm in Europe...) Don't try to justify yourself by writing unneccessary long comments. Short precise, relevant comments are always the best.
kinniku at 01:02 PM JST - 16th October

In your comment, you always play with the words. (like your "What if" game)

Ummm...in my 'what if' I was describing FACTS. Nothing confusing about it. Did you read the facts? Did you understand them? My opinion is there and I'll write it again. Israel cannot be considered a 'rogue regime' because when it has been given the opportunity to make peace, true peace, it has and that peace continues today. It is my strong opinion, that were Palestinians also give a real serious peace with Israel a chance, they would get the nation they have been dreaming of. I am not writing in a secret code. It should be easy to see this is what I am saying.

What do you mean by "your lack of comment of any close looks at Hamas behaviour and of the possibility of war crimes on the part of Hamas soldiers." ?

Ummm...I meant 'Could you answer the question?'. I specifically said I think your opinion is unbalanced and that this judgement of Israel is equally unbalanced. Again, what is your answer?

I don't see any of your comment about what Netanyahu said.

Then you need to read it again. I wrote specifically 'Well, my response would be when are Hamas' soldiers planning to be put on trial? I would assume, never is the answer. So, I can understand Netanyahu's response, even if I don't totally agree with it. The issue seems to completely ignore any and all so-called war crimes on the Palestinian side. Starting with such a premise leaves me thinking the continued process will be unbalanced as well.' Why should I have to write it again now? Why not actually read what I write before you claim incorrectly that I have not commented?

You just trip up the other poster's comment.

Sorry, again you do not seem to understand. I find it terribly annoying when someone says racist things and is called on it and others jump in with 'not all people who criticize Israel are racists' diversion. Anyone and everyone knows this, but it does not change the fact that when someone encounters racism they should reject it.

I don't see any of your comment about what Netanyahu said.

Then I can only suggest a reading primer would be of some help to you as I have indeed commented specifically on it. I even put it in this post for you. Why should I have to do that? Can't you just read it for yourself?

Maybe you want to show that you know a lot of things, but when it's irrelevant, it's irrelevant.

Everything I wrote is completely relevant both as a response to what you wrote and what is in the article. You are trying to claim Israel is the most rogue 'regime' in the world. You brought that up. I responded, with facts. You were wrong.

Maybe instead of hyperbole and anecdotes about your two Jewish friends you might want to deal in straight facts. I think those are always best.
sabiwabi at 02:31 PM JST - 16th October

'Well, my response would be when are Hamas' soldiers planning to be put on trial? I would assume, never is the answer. So, I can understand Netanyahu's response, even if I don't totally agree with it.

Hey I like your "what-if" game. What if we discover that an Auschwitz inmate escaped after he attacked and killed a camp guard that was trying to push him into the gas chamber. Do you think it would be understandable that some people might feel his actions were acceptable considering the situation and that he should not be tried for murder.

You might feel like this is a stupid analogy, but its not. Gaza IS a concentration camp and the "world community" is sitting idly while the people are suffering and dying (for about 60 years).

I would actually hope that both sides go to trial so that Hamas can tell its side.
kinniku at 02:43 PM JST - 16th October

Hey I like your "what-if" game.

If you like it so much, you should play it better. My 'what if' game dealt in facts. Yours is your own made up story. However, it is nice to see you add the addition of gas chambers in Auschwitz to your story. Does that mean you finally understand and admit that you know people were gassed there? While it is not on topic here, that is wonderful to know. Does that also mean you now realize the Nazis were bad, too? That would be a great step for you, too.

Gaza IS a concentration camp

The situation in Gaza, as horrible as it is, would disappear the moment Hamas decided to make peace with Israel. If you truly understood my "What if" game, you would have understood that. When Israel left Gaza to be run by the PA it was not anything like it is now. The Rafah border was being open to Egypt and had extremists not ruined things, Gaza would still have that open border and the others that were being talked about.

"world community" is sitting idly while the people are suffering and dying (for about 60 years).

Well then, maybe it is time for both sides to recognize each other's right for their nations to exist and live side by side in peace. However, you are against that aren't you? You do not believe Israel should be allowed to exist. This is the reason more reasonable people have trouble making their honest criticisms of Israel heard. They get mixed up with the kind of nonsense that you suggest when you write how Jews are controlling Western governments and media and how top Nazis and Hitler were really Jewish. Again, how could anyone take seriously opinions on Israel when you continue to write things like that?
sabiwabi at 05:36 PM JST - 16th October

The situation in Gaza, as horrible as it is, would disappear the moment Hamas decided to make peace with Israel.

You know very well they've done that, several times. The Israelis always find a way to push the Palestinians to react. BTW, the Israelis broke the cease fire before the carnage of last Dec-Jan, not the Palestinians.
kinniku at 10:46 PM JST - 16th October

You know very well they've done that, several times.

I know very well that they've done no such thing. A "10 year truce which can be used to fortify for the fight to win the final battle" (Hamas' words, not mine) is not what I am talking about. I am talking about true mutual recognition and a true peace. That has never been offered by Hamas.

The Israelis always find a way to push the Palestinians to react.

Yes, so you say. Then again, you say lots of things that don't match with reality. BOTH sides have pushed each other to react at times.

BTW, the Israelis broke the cease fire before the carnage of last Dec-Jan, not the Palestinians.

Nope. That is not correct.