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Triumvere
Tricky Dick, a class act all-around.
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USARonin
Who writes this 'news'?
No journalist for sure.
And the best way to get it was to have a Secret Service agent rat on the senator.
Really... What real journalist writes like this? Maybe that's why the story is uncredited other than 'Washington'.
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presto345
Nixon was a brilliant politician who accomplished a great deal for the country he loved. Unfortunately he was not perfect and suffered from paranoia and lowered moral standards.
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skipthesong
very common in a two party system. This is hardly newsworthy, moot to say the least. Now, once we ge a third and fourth party and two parties gang up on one, now that would be newsworthy.
The crap some come up with to sell news as if there isn't enough going on NOW, they have to dig waaaay into the past when 99% of the JT population wasn't even born. Fire this reporter.
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Nessie
Shoulda scuba-dived instead.
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LFRAgain
That this isn't strictly news, like "Stock Market Crashes" or "Another Suicide Bomb in Afghanistan," doesn't diminish its cultural or historical importance.
Or is looking at the failings of past presidents off-limits now, too, along with questioning the wisdom of needless wars in foreign lands? Is it un-American? Unpatriotic? Or, dare I say it, treasonous? (gasp!!)
Gotta’ chuckle here . . . How predictable and entertaining to see you tripping over yourselves in a backhanded defense of a known liar, thief, and entirely unpleasant man – if for no other reason than because he was a member of the political knitting club you so love. Carry on, brave warriors, carry on.
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lostrune2
Nixon and Ed Kennedy - two of a kind. They're both flawed men, accomplished a great deal for the country they loved.
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skipthesong
They're both flawed men, accomplished a great deal" Yeah, it seems they both got off for crimes!
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skipthesong
I guess this is the way the media has to find a way to bury some facts! Find another villain, even if he is dead and before we were all born.
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plasticmonkey
a whole lotta d's in dat headline . . .
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LFRAgain
Speak for yourself. I was around when Watergate broke.
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Molenir
He was a Republican, but his politics are more in line with Democrats now. He was also a good President irrespective of the mistakes he made towards other politicians. Mistakes that ultimately cost him the Presidency, and destroyed the trust of a lot of Americans in their government. Reading about his statements towards Kennedy just serves as further proof of this.
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Sarge
Heck, Nixon didn't need to dig deep to get dirt on Ted. That incident on July 19, 1969 should have landed Ted a jail term.
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RomeoRamenII
Mr. Nixon did not have to dig too deep when it came to Kennedy.
Teddy was a drunken, self-indulgent narcissist all his life. He killed Mary Jo and concealed it. He cheated on his wife and finally divorced her.
"Service" to his country consisted of being treated like royalty for 46 years. To the very end, Teddy sought to reverse the succession law regarding departing Senators in his state.
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Badsey
Many people would have paid $$$ to see Ted Kennedy in hot pants -Can you dig it!
If the S.S. Said Ted Kennedy was a good man -I believe them. Still a pawn for the Federal Reserve -but aren't we all slaves to the same debt system?
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smithinjapan
Molenir: "He was a Republican, but his politics are more in line with Democrats now. He was also a good President irrespective of the mistakes he made towards other politicians. Mistakes that ultimately cost him the Presidency, and destroyed the trust of a lot of Americans in their government. Reading about his statements towards Kennedy just serves as further proof of this."
Bravo on a good post (don't agree too much with the opening line, but otherwise 100%). Unlike...
RomeoRamenII: "He killed Mary Jo and concealed it."
Proof? Ah, wait... just more of the same old Right-wing crap. He left the scene, as he plead guilty to. Beyond that no one has any proof of anything, and all we know beyond that is that what the man himself knew, if was anything else TO know, has gone to the grave. What we DO know is that you are simply using this to play ultra-right politics and likely don't give one iota about Mary Jo aside from as a tool to bash Kennedy with.
""Service" to his country consisted of being treated like royalty for 46 years."
Actually, service to his country involved progressing a lot of human rights and trying to give health plans to the tens of millions of uninsured Americans (not to mention the millions who get ditched by their companies the minute they get sick!), among numerous other things. Wouldn't expect you to see the forest though -- too many trees in the way!
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sailwind
That would include first aid to like a person like Mary Joe?
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adaydream
Richard Nixon was brilliant when it came to foreign affairs.
That being said Richard Nixon was a typical republican. His fixation on keeping his dynasty and killing others is well known. Nixon would do anything, robberies, placing instigators to start riots in democratic events, lieing, using US resourses to bring down his political enemies.
Too bad. He could have been as mighty as Ted Kennedy. He turned out to be as small as a germ. < :-)
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SuperLib
Must have been a slow "republicans vs. democrats" day in the news.....had to grab something, eh?
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smithinjapan
sailwind: "That would include first aid to like a person like Mary Joe?"
Nope... just insurance to someone like yourself. And you, by the way, fit perfectly into the group that only brings this woman up for politics, not because you give a darn about her either way. You don't mention one thing about the topic -- which is Nixon -- do you? Nah... all about covering up the paranoia and fear of a dead ex-Rep. pres. by dragging a poor dead woman through the mud to try and sully Kennedy a little more. But then, you haven't been yourself since last November, eh, sail? Tough times still abound for you guys, I guess, as Nixon's paranoia thought they might for him, too.
SuperLib: "Must have been a slow "republicans vs. democrats" day in the news.....had to grab something, eh?"
Not the most newsworthy of topics, I'll grant you that, but an interesting little tidbit of history. I do also find it interesting to watch you come on this site day in and out and take the time to comment on how everything is so un-newsworthy.
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USARonin
Smith, we wouldn't even know of this young woman if a polical figure as Ted Kennedy hadn't committed a homicide upon her.
By all rights, she should've been an anonymous grandma enjoyin' her grandkids right now and she wouldn't even be a political footnote.
Your boy made sure it was otherwise. And he got away with it.
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yabits
Rendering first aid would have meant getting her out of the back seat of a car resting upside down under about 8 feet of water. After trying multiple times and not succeeding, Kennedy went back to the party he and Mary Jo had left and returned with two men, who also tried and failed to get to the back seat.
Kennedy testified that he failed to see houses in the area that he could have gone to to report the accident. It's plausible, considering his state of mind and the amount of alcohol in him.
Does this exonerate him from the things he did wrong? Not at all. But the Republican haters show how petty-minded they are when they attempt to use a tragic accident to trump the man's real achievements. I personally admired Kennedy's early coming out against apartheid and supporting strong sanctions against the white regime of South Africa. That was a regime that brutally murdered and tortured many thousands of young people, and it was sanctimonious and self-righteous Republicans who opposed Kennedy in his stand against an evil regime.
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yabits
Yes. An accident. One does not try to commit murder by driving one's own car over a bridge into water.
I realize how much it would please the Republican haters and apologists for apartheid if Ted had drowned that night along with Mary Jo. His inability to do what it eventually took divers to accomplish is what has right-wingers screaming homicide like a bunch of dwarf stooges.
I'm just glad I don't have to be the person who needs to apologize for right-wing cretins.
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WhiteHawk
To quote Jeremy Clarkson, "How hard can it be?"
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smithinjapan
USARonin: "Kennedy killed her and left her to a lone horrific death."
Quick question: how do you kill someone and then leave them to die? Or perhaps is your contradiction merely proof that even on a subconscious level you can't lie to yourself.
I see we're degrading into the 'lefty apologists' language... won't be long before you're reduced to simply saying 'non-Americans have no right to opinions' (on a Japan-site!). In short, it would have been wiser to quit when you were only WAY behind.
Use your handy dictionary.com to check out the difference between 'leaving a scene' and 'homicide', since you are so fond of looking things up before posting (albeit poorly and with total bias, but you'll get there).
Once again... do you have something to post on Nixon, who is the focus of this post, or just more attempts to attack other posters and watch yourself get battered? As I've said before, you don't care one wit for this woman; you're just now using her as a tool to attack a dead man, in an article that FACTUALLY points out the paranoia of Nixon and his fear of Kennedy.
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SuperLib
And I find it interesting that you comment on everything as if it's newsworthy.
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USARonin
SL, heh, heh...
Exxxxxcelleeeeeent.
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yabits
Loony right-wingers ignore the basic facts of how Mary Jo came to leave the party with Ted. Most reasonable people think that if you're planning to have a tryst, the last thing you do is leave a party together with a bunch of folks witnessing your departure.
Of course, we're talking about reasonable people. Not the sorts that believe that Mary Jo's asking Ted for a ride back to her hotel provided him with his big opporunity to kill her by driving his car -- with her AND him in it -- into a body of water. Not only does the perpetrator have to get out -- no guarantees there -- he has to make sure that the other person doesn't make it out.
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WhiteHawk
And most resonable people would think that someone who: drives drunk into the water, leaves someone in the car, swims to shore, gets a few hours sleep, and never calls the police - would be charged with more than leaving the scene of an accident. But then most reasonable people aren't Kennedys.
Didn't Mary Jo Kopechne leave her purse and hotel key at the party? You're old enough to remember those days, aren't you? Back when presidents and senators had trysts and the media (not to mention family friends) turned a blind eye?
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yabits
The witnesses of the night of July 18, 1969, as far as Ted Kennedy's announced departure from the party he was attending, and Mary Jo's overt request for a ride back to her hotel are well known and documented.
Mary Jo Kopechne, age 29, was an adult at the time, and presumably able to discern whether her intended driver was overly intoxicated.
Now, the USA being my native country, and having driven on many a remote New England road in the light of day, I can easily understand how, in pitch dark, someone could become disoriented, driving at a breakneck speed of 20 miles per hour, take a wrong turn on a road that has a bridge with no guard rail and one that juts out obliquely from the main road, and end up in the water.
Failing to promptly report a legitimate accident after it has occurred does not automatically constitute homicide, at least not in the United States. Not unless it can be shown that divers could have been dispatched to the scene in sufficient time to have prevented Ms. Kopechne from drowning.
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yabits
More looney tunes.
The American system of so-called justice favors the wealthy and/or well-to-do, liberal or conservative.
This is news to you?
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yabits
Reasonable people don't make unfounded charges.
Where is the evidence that Kennedy was driving drunk?
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USARonin
Mary Jo Kopechne, age 29, was an adult at the time, and presumably able to discern whether her intended driver was overly intoxicated.
Yabits, you presume a whole lot.
Not unless it can be shown that divers could have been dispatched to the scene in sufficient time to have prevented Ms. Kopechne from drowning.
Yabits, you know you're really reachin' to the point of outright silliness, right?
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yabits
Actually, for someone like yourself who wasn't there and who spouts off that Ted Kennedy had been "drinking excessively," despite contrary reports from witnesses, it is you who are presuming "a whole lot."
You also appear to be making the claim that a 29-year-old can't tell when someone has been "drinking excessively." Especially when she's asking him for a ride in his car.
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WhiteHawk
yabits:
Okay, I'll grant you that. One doesn't have to be drunk to end up in the water in those conditions. Of course, we're talking about Teddy Kennedy here, so it's not unreasonable to question his sobriety. Also, it does not excuse his swimming ashore, swimming another 500' across the channel, walking back to his hotel and getting a more or less sound night's sleep without ever calling the police.
The diver himself said he could have prevented her drowning had he been called when the accident happened.
Besides, what kind of defense of Kennedy is THAT?!? It was his responsibility to call the police when he first came ashore. Period. Trying to justify Kennedy's post-accident actions by claiming the diver couldn't have been dispatched in time to save her is utterly ridiculous. And a bit sick, frankly.
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USARonin
Yabits, in this incident alone, Teddy proved himself a coward twice:
Once when the deserted this human bean, and twice when he used the legal system - as is his absolute right - to escape justice.
Coward.
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USARonin
Ted's statement to the press the following morning:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blpic-tedkennedyabsolut.htm
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yabits
I have said all along that those actions were inexcuseable and reprehensible. But they don't constitute homicide.
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yabits
I guess you are implying that Ted failed to use his cell phone.
First of all, there was no phone at the scene. Secondly, it is apparent that Ted was lost. What was the minimum amount of time that could have elapsed after Ted stopped trying to dive to get Mary Jo out of the car and before he could actually find a phone with which to summon support?
You do understand that there are right-wing lunatics out there who actually believe that Ted murdered Mary Jo, right? It appears that any attempt to bring the events into a line with what is actually known about the incident brings out accusations of "apologist" from anyone who sticks to the murder-or-homicide angle.
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yabits
And being a coward doesn't appear to exclude anyone from a leadership position in either of the two major parties.
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yabits
Since you appear to have missed it the first time around, here is the replay:
You: Kennedy proved himself to be a coward twice. Me: Cowardice does not appear to exclude anyone from a position of leadership from either party. You: (paraphrased): Some CBS news guy one time tried to prove that one particular Republican was a coward, and he was fired for doing so. (The inference here is that because a news guy got fired on one occasion, my assertion that no leader of Republicians has ever shown cowardice is somehow refuted. Talk about your strawmen.)
Can one actually "talk" to a person who has already stated that Senator Kennedy was a homicidal coward, and who implies that there is no cowardly behavior on his side of the political spectrum? How could I expect my words to make it past the blinders?
A little of the bright light and fresh air of truth is always a welcome remedy for the rancid innuendoes and outright lies told by Republican "dirt-diggers."
Moderator: Readers, you are going around in circles and taking the discussion nowhere. Please move on.
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USARonin
my assertion that no leader of Republicians has ever shown cowardice
So what's your point other than to imply that because Kennedy was a proven coward, it's not so bad because others are cowards, too?
What kind of rationale is that? What does it have to do with Kennedy.
...and who implies that there is no cowardly behavior on his side of the political spectrum?
Yabits, again with the strawman argument. I never brought this up; you did. I never argued for or against it; you did.
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adaydream
MMMMM I see that there are some republicans that are pleased that Edward Kennedy is dead. Bravo!!!!
I'm wondering if they felt as strongly about the death of Richard Nixon? I'm wondering if they felt pleased with the end death of a person who would do absolutely anything to advance his cause?
Sorry Teddy. Some people are glad you're gone.
I wonder who will fill his shoes? Going to have to be one hell of a congressman or public leader. < :-)
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adaydream
No. <:-)
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adaydream
And you can call yourself anything you like, you post comments in support of most all conservative/republican views. So if you look like a duck...
Get away from the homicide issue that you thrashed through earlier, what was so wrong with Edward Kennedy? < :-)
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USARonin
A.D.D. ... A Republican may be a conservative, but a someone who's conservative is not always a Republican.
Libertarians in my nation are much closer to bein' 'Republicans' than 'Democrats'. When the creators of South Park said they 'hated' Republicans I thought, "Oh, sheesh... here we go...", but then they immediately followed that up with '... but we hate Democrats more'? Why? Check out how they hammer pseudo science on global warmin', second-hand smoke, liberal Scientologists... They're no fan of a nanny state led by ignorant people who let their emotions dictate their behaviors.
On Kennedy... I only made one comment on 'homicide'. Your team leached on to that and wouldn't let it go in lame attempts to rehabilitate the memory of someone they didn't really give two shites about until his death put him on a JT thread.
A.D.D. I'm libertine on a number of issues. For example, I don't care that you're homersexual. As long as you and your buds keep the noise down after ten, I don't care. I'm too busy postin' on JT with you.
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seijichuudo9sha
It's kinda scary to think what nixon could have done with today's technology.He would have instituted his own snitch line,with diehard partisans encouraged to email the White House directly if they witnessed or overheard something that was counter to his ideology and party agenda.
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USARonin
Seiji, if you like to be 'scared', Google E'chelon P'roject.
We already got everything on you up to this moment in time when I hit 'Submit' on this thread.
Heh, heh... Nevermind, Nixon. Ya just don't know what is already known.
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SuperLib
You can read Kennedy's statements here:
http://foia.fbi.gov/chappaquiddick/chappaquiddick_pt01.pdf
His testimony starts about halfway through.
He dove for about 15-20 minutes, then rested on the shore for about 15-20 minutes after. Then he ran back and got 2 friends, and they tried to go into the water to get her but they were unable to. That leads me to believe that Kennedy, a man who was just in the accident, couldn't have been expected to do it, either.
But....he told the two guys he'd take care of reporting the accident, essentially telling them not to report it. Red flag. Then he didn't report the accident himself until the next morning. Red flag #2. If one is questioning the sobriety of the driver, those questions cannot be answered because of Kennedy's actions. Not good.
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Helter_Skelter
adaydream
What a sorry attempt at taking the high road. As if you wouldn't celebrate the passing of Bush or Cheney.
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hworta269
What Nixon could have done with today's technology? like taking control of the internet? having everyone who criticized him investigated, shut down or taking over and or changing management of the entire local broadcast industry in America?
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WhiteHawk
Going back to an earlier point...
yabits:
Where did you find out it was upside down? The only photo I've seen of the car in the water shows it resting on its right side, perfectly visible from the surface. Subtract the width of a '68 Oldsmobile Delmont from 8 feet...
Also, every photo of the car being removed the water shows it right-side up on its tires. So if it was upside-down from the accident, it must've been righted prior to towing it from the water. That couldn't have been easy.
And yet, the diver was able to find her and get her out within minutes the next morning.
The Dike House was in plain view of the accident site, and the owner testified his outside light was on. It was such a pathetic excuse, and certainly not a sign of intellignce. If that was his excuse for not reporting the accident at the scene, then what was his excuse for not reporting it when he returned to the party to get his two friends, or not reporting it when he got back to his hotel?
12:47 AM, 29th August:
So funny. Because you then said...
2:27 AM, 29th august
Thanks for the laugh yabits, but you are busted! 逮捕しちゃうぞ！ Hahaha...
But they DO constitute manslaughter.
There was one at the previously mentioned Dike House.
Actually, it was apparent he wasn't, since he went back to the party to get friends, then swam across a channel and found his way back to his hotel.
What's truly apparent is that he was a liar. A very bad one. That never kept people from being gullible enough to believe his lies, though.
How long does it take to walk the (approximately) 300 feet to the Dike House?
Just as there are those who try to claim Teddy didn't drink at a party.
He did cause her death, there's no way around that.
That "CBS news guy" probably got pushed out for pushing a story he knew was false. Remember that investigation CBS hired out? Well, it discovered that Lieutenant G.W. Bush did in fact volunteer to go to Vietnam, but was passed over for more experienced pilots. AND MARY MAPES KNEW IT.
adaydream:
Nixon didn't cling to his office until the day he died. He resigned to save the country an impeachment trial some two decades prior to his death, remember? In that respect, he clearly had more integrity than Kennedy.
But since you don't remember Nixon very accurately, don't worry. Our current president has much more in common with Nixon than you're comfortable with.
He was a fraud.
SuperLib:
He never reported the accident at all. Two local fishermen reported the accident when they saw the car the next morning. Kennedy only went to the police after he saw the diver remove Kopechne's body from the car.
hworta269:
Bill would give president emergency control of Internet
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10320096-38.html
ABC News Teams Up With Obama White House to Present President's Health Care Plan
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/16/abc-news-teams-obama-white-house-present-presidents-health-care-plan/
Look out kids, Nixon is back! And this time, he's one of your own...
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yabits
FFrom the FBI report, among other places: http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/chappaquiddick.htm
As for the alcohol content, there is a big difference between driving a car with the alcohol blood level beyond the legal limit in 1969, and having had enough alcohol to cause one to have a buzz on.
LOL! Yeah, a diver working in daylight with a tank of air. Minutes, eh? How long can you hold your breath under 8 feet of water in pitch dark trying to get someone out of an overturned car? Not "minutes" I'll wager. Especially, if you are unsuccessful on the first and second tries.
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Molenir
Yabits, give it up. Ted Kennedy should have done time in jail for his little stunt. You can't argue the facts. And they're pretty clear.
Regardless, doesn't change his legacy as a legislator. A lot of Republicans disagreed with Kennedy, and yet he managed to work with just about everyone to get legislation passed. That much of it was misguided is a matter of opinion, depending on which side of the aisle you stand on.
While I would never applaud the death of someone, even if I disagreed with them politically, I do think its good to get some fresh ideas in the Senate. I think he should have resigned and let someone younger take over when news of his tumor first came out. Then there wouldn't have been such an issue about the succession, and the Dems Hypocrisy wouldn't be so evident.
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