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zurcronium
How many times was "I am not a crook" recorded.
But in all fairness at least Nixon was smart. Something you cannot say about the party of bush and palin today.
Moderator: Please stop trying to turn every thread you post on into an anti-Bush rant. It only reflects badly on yourself.
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Molenir
Just once.
I do agree with this, and the idea that Nixon was smart. He really was a good President. Smart, capable, cagey as hell. But he crossed the line and paid for it.
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skipthesong
who amongst us here were actually old enough to understand any of this?
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skipthesong
oh, wait, 1973? Who was alive?
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Taka313
Nixon was smart, but paranoid as hell and a bit loopy when it came to football (I believe he would have really loved fantasy football).
Molenir,
How did he pay for it? He resigned from office voluntarily, was never arrested and was subsequently pardoned.
If that is "paying for it," it's no surprise we can't find any honest politicians.
Taka
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Molenir
By the judgment of history. His accomplishments, and there were accomplishments, are overwhelmed by the scandal that brought him down. He will always be remembered for being the President who resigned in disgrace. The one President who couldn't finish out his term. Not because he died or got sick, but because he was going to be thrown out of office.
When it comes right down to it, why do we punish the guilty? And how do we punish them. Sending the man to jail for a year or 2, what difference would that have made? Destroying his reputation as utterly as was done? Now that, that was punishment.
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adaydream
I was born in 1952. I remember this very well. I was in-between enlistments and I watched this trials with enthusiasm.
Richard Nixon was a foreign affairs genius. Problem was he was also an ass. He thought that the presidency gave him the power to do anything. Between him and his underlings they screwed this country from Watergate to inserting violence instigators into peace marches, trouble makers into democratic party campaign sites and believing he was above the law.
He did a lot for this country. He did a lot of damage. < :-)
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JoeBigs
Nixon was one of the most paranoid politicians we have ever had. I think his paranoia started after his defeat to Kennedy. Or could it have been after losing the California Governor's election? Hm
Nixon was to be a bag of mixed nuts.
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Alphaape
skipthesong, I was just a kid then, but I liked to watch the news (only 3 choices back then) and I remember this. If you ever get the chance, find some of the old Dean Martin Celebrity Roasts from the 70's, and you can see how back then they made fun of Nixon and his ways, but didn't do it like it is done today on a personal hateful level.
Nixon was truly a "Tricky Dicky." I read another report on this issue (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/us/politics/24nixon.html?_r=1) where he gave his views on abortion. He was against it because he thought it destroyed family values, but saw the need for it in cases of interracial pregnancies (i.e. Black & White).
Funny he felt that way since he was the President who signed Affirmative Action into law in the US, and how he sang a different song in the last book that he published before he died on how he felt he could have been better with racial issues. I guess he was a real complex fellow.
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Nessie
Apparently, they WILL have Nixon to push around anymore.
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Taka313
We punish the guilty to show them their actions were unacceptable.
What difference would a year or 2 in the pokey have made? Well...it would have been a shot across the bow of every crooked politician in America, stating emphatically, no matter who you are or what office you hold, YOU ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW. This may boil down to personal beliefs, but I believe that is a message that desperately needs to be sent to DC. Granted, had Ford done the right thing (imo), the impact and shock value of Nixon's (potential) incarceration would most likely lessened over time, but...the precedent would have been set and I believe America would have benefitted greatly from it.
Now, about a destroyed reputation being punishment...First of all, Nixon destroyed Nixon's reputation. No one else. I completely agree with you that he did a very thorough job at destroying his reputation and overshadowing his positives however. Secondly, if given the opportunity to have my reputation damaged for all time, but still be able to retire and draw a very healthy retirement with a lot of kick-ass bennies OR go to jail, I'd choose the former. But that's me.
Taka
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goodDonkey
Nessie said:
Ummmm, the quote is kick around not push around.
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goodDonkey
Hopefully they won't be offering many felony criminals the chance to "have their reputations destroyed" instead of prison time. In America it was proven that some people are "above the law." Shameful
I am glad I was alive and in my mid-teens so I could watch the news and understand what was going on during the Watergate hearings.
"Because people have got to know, whether their president's a crook..." Relive the moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAXh_P2D-T8
In a taped conversation with George H.W. Bush, then GOP chairman, he pitched the recruitment of pretty women in particular to run for the party, after two caught his eye in the South Carolina Legislature.
"Let's look for some," he said. "And understand, I don't do it because I'm for women. But I'm doing it because (a) woman might win some place where a man might not."
Reagan approves - Saturday Night Massacre
Nixon forced the firing of the special prosecutor looking into the Watergate affair, Archibald Cox, and prompted the resignations of Attorney General Elliot L. Richardson and Deputy Attorney General William D. Ruckelshaus. The next day, Ronald Reagan, who was then governor of California and would later be president, told the White House that he approved.
Reagan said the action, which would become known as the “Saturday Night Massacre,” was “probably the best thing that ever happened — none of them belong where they were,” according to a Nixon aide’s notes of the private conversation.
Too bad the Democrats gave Reagan a pass when he lied his ass off as president.
If anyone can find the phone conversation of Nixon with Bob Hope, in a news article, please post the link. It is identical to the rhetoric you hear on JT all the time. The problem was that it was right when we were leaving Vietnam with our tails between our legs. But Nixon was still going on about "the waving American flag" (paraphrased) and how we would be feared by our enemies and respected by our allies. I am quite sure the conservative heroes would love to hear such "profound words."
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Molenir
Any idea what else those guys were involved in, or rather had been involved in? What else was said in that conversation?
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goodDonkey
Molenir said:
The whole world knows what "those guys were involved in[,]" apparently except you. I am quite sure those of us who were around back then will get a good kick out of your naive question. In the meantime, you may want to look up Archibald Cox. As for Attorney General Elliot L. Richardson and Deputy Attorney General William D. Ruckelshaus, their problem was they were not plumbers. If you were unwilling to do Nixon's bidding and fire the special prosecutor, as was their fate, or fix the leaks then they didn't "belong where they were[.]"
While you school yourself you might want to look up Robert Bork. He was the rat who fired the honorable Archibald Cox. Then Reagan had the audacity to submit his name as a nominee for Supreme Court Justice. These would be the less than stellar moments in your illustrious history conservatism. Robert Bork stunk to high heaven before but now Nixon is stinking up Reagan quite a bit also; all these years later. I really have to thank Tricky Dick for making the connection of Reagan and Bork to the Saturday Night Massacre.
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adaydream
This is one of those things that will live in America's history. The resignation of Richard Nixon. The impeachment of Bill Clinton. The war created by george bush through lies, etc.
Those who were around will remember the truths. < :-)
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