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No annulment of vote; Ahmadinejad won, says Iran's electoral body

World Jun. 23, 2009 - 03:09PM JST ( 25 )

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tkoind2Jun. 23, 2009 - 03:36PM JST

This decision is a major mistake. There will now, without doubt be a popular uprising that will be subjected to violence on a larger scale by the government.

But let us remember that the first Iranian revolution began with similary block headed decisions by the government. Maybe we are seeing the birth of a new Iran. I hope so.

More power to the people of Iran and their fight for democracy. I hope the world community stands with them.
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teleprompterJun. 23, 2009 - 03:46PM JST

Panic! Where is the 12th Imam? Why does he tarry? Shouldn't he come a-shootin' up outta the well legend says he has been hiding in these last 1200 years? The ruling council had the streets of Teheran widened in anticipation of his reappearance.

How much longer do the loony tune mullahs and the puppet Ahmadinejad think they can go on with the farce, the religious insanity and now the ever more desperate brutality?
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MadvertsJun. 23, 2009 - 03:48PM JST

"This decision is a major mistake."

From their point of view it is the only decision to make. The ayotolla played his cards, and they surely aren't thinking of ceding power to the people anytime soon.

I'm just hoping people power can over-turn this crack-pot regime before they go nuclear.
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BrainiacJun. 23, 2009 - 03:52PM JST

I'd like to see a second Iranian revolution, preferably a non-bloody one like the people power that swept Marcos out of power in the Philippines, but I fear that the situation in Iran will go the way of Tienanmen Square in China in 1989. Will it all be forgotten by the end of the year?
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smithinjapanJun. 23, 2009 - 03:54PM JST

"With Tuesday’s announcement, Iran’s regime appeared to be closing another door to compromise. Iran’s supreme leader had already praised Ahmadinejad as the winner and ordered post-election protesters off the streets."

Sigh. Did anyone expect any different? COME ON! Either they won fair and square, in which case they are correct in what they say, or else they are simply the power-hungry desperate to retain power group that everyone's making them out to be, in which case their threats of violence and declarations of a fair election are par for the course. Either way, Ahmadinejad wins, which is a shame.
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smithinjapanJun. 23, 2009 - 03:59PM JST

tkoind2: "This decision is a major mistake."

Agreed, but then, as I said, not unexpected.

"There will now, without doubt be a popular uprising that will be subjected to violence on a larger scale by the government."

I wouldn't say 'without doubt', because I have my doubts that more and more people are going to go out and process. On the contrary, I think less and less will, and that since it is less people they will most certainly face more violence.
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WilliBJun. 23, 2009 - 04:15PM JST

tokind2:

" This decision is a major mistake. There will now, without doubt be a popular uprising that will be subjected to violence on a larger scale by the government. "

I wouldn´t bet on it. The mullahs have all the levers of power, and like in every islamic country, the fundamentalist nuts have the demographic edge. The people who are demonstrating now are the educated elite, and my bet is that the "supreme leader" will cut them down to size. A radical islamic regime that allows itself to be moderated would be a historical novelty... something like a liberal nazi dictatorship.

However, the regime has shown its colors, and even the dumbest Western PC nut should have recognized now that it can´t be allowed to have nuclear weapons. Alas, I doubt that includes the US Potus.
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skipthesongJun. 23, 2009 - 04:40PM JST

Either they won fair and square" That's like saying Bush actually beat Gore fair and square.

I think we should arm the protesters! I mean who really has all the guns in that country? Why did they ban them in the first place?

Well, back the nuke drawing boards, anti-Israel rhetoric, and great Satan accusations!
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InformedJun. 23, 2009 - 04:52PM JST

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7tWnGnaBTs&feature=channel_page
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tkoind2Jun. 23, 2009 - 05:13PM JST

There are some important things to remember. While the west may see Iran as a backwards dictatorship, the Iranians don't see it that way. They have had some popular say in government for a long time. Once you have that expectation in a society, it is hard to remove.

Second, with 30% plus unemployment and a young population who want change, it will not be easy to push them back. The same demographic managed the last revolution. I think the potenial is here too.

Granted there will be more violence, but remember this is a culture who have seen long hard wars and who have significant reasons to want change. I think Iranian's are a committed people who will not give up easily.

Will this end in the establishment of a better state? Hard to fortell. But I think we are still seeing the seeds of long term change if not more near term political revolution.
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sabiwabiJun. 23, 2009 - 05:36PM JST

"The election results in Iran may reflect the will of the Iranian people. Many experts are claiming that the margin of victory of incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was the result of fraud or manipulation, but our nationwide public opinion survey of Iranians three weeks before the vote showed Ahmadinejad leading by a more than 2 to 1 margin -- greater than his actual apparent margin of victory in Friday's election."

--http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/14/AR2009061401757.html
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yabitsJun. 23, 2009 - 06:25PM JST

The mullahs have all the levers of power, and like in every islamic country, the fundamentalist nuts have the demographic edge.

I'm certainly happy that in most Western countries, and certainly in the U.S. now with young people flocking to the Democratic Party, the trend is against fundamentalist nuts.
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teleprompterJun. 23, 2009 - 06:27PM JST

No way for Obama to blame Bush on this one; so no comment.
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BeaverCleaverJun. 23, 2009 - 09:07PM JST

teleprompter "No way for Obama to blame Bush on this one; so no comment."

If only Obama would lead. I am sure the Supreme Leader would follow Obama, just like he did Bush.

Or, is rebellion for democracy exactly what we want in Iran?

No wait. I get it! You just don't like Obama. Would like a pity party?
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smithinjapanJun. 23, 2009 - 10:07PM JST

skipthesong: "That's like saying Bush actually beat Gore fair and square."

Actually, it's not. It's like saying IF the election results in Iran are fair and square...

Come on, bud. That was weak. There seems to be some proof that SOME rigging was in place, but there also seems to be some evidence that the result would still have been in favour of those who declare victory now. We don't want it to be that way, but that's no reason to automatically doubt it without further evidence.
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adaydreamJun. 23, 2009 - 10:38PM JST

So the mullahs say that the election was mostly fair and they aren't going to have a recount or a new election.

Now we see whether the protesters agree or not.

There's not much that Obama can say right now. He can't get the mullahs to do anything. He won't persuade Ahmadinejad to hold another election.

Now we watch and see what the people say to this decision.

When george bush and the republicans stole the 2000 elections through blocking democrat voters from getting to the polls, through the Supreme's Court's siding with george bush and other tasteless actions, bush still won. We didn't get new elections and no matter what the democrts proved as election antics, bush still got his election.

So let's see what the demonstrators say to this decision. < :-)
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LIBERTASJun. 23, 2009 - 11:52PM JST

Well, it's going to be interesting. This play-by-play protesting over the Iranian elections is a deja-vu all over again when, in previous times, the Mossad and the CIA overthrew the elected government of Persia (Iran for the moderators) and set up a puppet government under the Shah. His title was Sha-en-Shah (King of Kings). Guess what? His son, Mohammed Reva Pehlavi is now in line to be inserted by the very same Mossad and CIA as the new Shah-en-Shah, as the Mullahs are overthrown. History repeating itself, ignoring the will of the people. Ahmadinejad actually won, but who cares? He's not the lout that Washington or Tel Aviv wants in there right now. Enter Shah II stage right!
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ca1ic0catJun. 24, 2009 - 01:15AM JST

I doubt the Iranians are going to accept Shah Jr. Find another conspiracy theory, eh?

I doubt we'll ever really know if the election was "fair" in the vote counting but when the council of guardians has thrown out a lot of the candidates because they didn't like them before the election what is "fair?" The whole system is rigged from the beginning.

The Iranians are tired of the culture police and unemployment. If the clerics would lighten up and get the economy going all would be forgiven. But they haven't and the people are fed up. Bad situation.
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LIBERTASJun. 24, 2009 - 02:42AM JST

Fresh off the wire: http://www.prisonplanet.com/western-stooge-pahlavi-positioning-himself-to-take-power-in-iran.html The whole manipulation of the Iranian election comes to light. Trust me, by Christmas we'll have a new Shah-en-Shah in Persia (Iran) promising a constitutional monarchy, and delivering only another version of the Savac, if it ever left. By no means a conspiracy theory. It's a live, unfolding conspiracy factual docu-drama, happening before our very eyes. I wish Japanese coup d'etats were as exciting!
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LIBERTASJun. 24, 2009 - 02:48AM JST

Oh, forgot! Sorry.... Mir-Hossein Mousavi was waging a terrorist war on the United States that included bloody attacks on the U.S. embassy and Marine Corps barracks in Beirut. Did you get that? The guy the US and the West wants to have won the election is the very same guy who blew up 269 plus US Marines in Beirut way back? Excuse me Semper Fi people, did you get that? The US is backing the guy who killed Marines? WTF? Anybody besides me smell a rat here?
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adaydreamJun. 24, 2009 - 04:19AM JST

LIBERTAS, I'm not for or against any particular Iranian candidate. As faras their beliefs, Ahmadinejad and Mousavi both are about the same. They both have nuclear ambitions, etc.

I'm looking at the people of Iran. I think a lot of them aren't really concerned about which candidate won. This is the time, the opportunity to stand up against the mullahs and politicians. This is their time to say, "We want changes, now."

I lost a good friend in Beirut. I'll never forget him. His smiles, joking with us when he came by the office.... He left the states and 3 weeks later he was dead. I'm not supporting Mousavi. I support the Iranian people. < :-)
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WilliBJun. 24, 2009 - 07:41AM JST

LIBERTAS:

" Trust me, by Christmas we'll have a new Shah-en-Shah in Persia (Iran) "

And if we don´t, will you promise to spare us these idiotic conspiracy theories from then on? Thank you in advance!

I`ll remind you around Christmas.
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MadvertsJun. 24, 2009 - 07:31PM JST

Super,

It's nearly as funny as willi b chastising someone on conspiracy theories. It's always fun to watvch them implode under their own arguments.
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Helter_SkelterJun. 25, 2009 - 09:24AM JST

Ahmadinejad won

Neo-Nazis, Islamofascists, and neo-Marxists celebrate his victory.