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yabits
Shaken? Over an HHS Secretary nominee? Not hardly.
The left-wing journal The Nation is already saying that Daschle's departure is a great thing for their side. After all, Daschle was a prime Democratic enabler of Bush programs like the Patriot Act and the disastrous invasion and occupation of Iraq.
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Sarge
I'm afraid the Obama administration is going to be shaken further by skyrocketing debt that will make the Bush administration debt look like a surplus.
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some14some
Minor jolt during take off and smooth flight ahead, however Media may continue to shake as much as they want to !
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DXXJP
Sarge what part of 11 trillion is a surplus??
Now if these were dubyas cronies they would have executive privilege and be whisked in.
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smartacus
You'd think that before he nominated anyone, Obama would ask them clearly if there is anything, no matter how trivial, in their past that might blow up in their faces during the confirmation process. If I was president, that's what I would do. I would want to know if there was even the hint of a scandal in my nominee's background.
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sk4ek
The vetting process that took place during the transition was exhaustive, but the number of positions to be filled and the quantity of records that need to be checked has resulted in these kinds of "glitches", which have happened with just about every new incoming administration. Worse than the fact of the withdrawals is the general image this is portraying of an elite group of insiders with money to spend on domestic help, car services, and other amenities which are beyond the means of the vast majority of the electorate, Democrat or Republican. Obama may be sincere when he says he thinks of himself as "just one of us", but on a day-to-day level, none of these people are exactly the proletariat.
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VOR
nice spin. what they are really saying is "its okay to avoid paying taxes just as long as you don't get caught." freaken slimeballs.
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likeitis
You really need to back up and calm down son. Both tax issues were resolved.
And I am sure that if the IRS were to audit you, they would turn up no problems whatsoever. Sure. Show me the man with no problems on his tax return, and I will show you a man who either 1) earns little and deducts nothing but his standard deductions or 2) is anal retentive.
Freaken slimeballs? Son, who peed in your cereal this morning?
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likeitis
So true. The Democrats are being criticized for doing the weeding everyone has been asking for, and not for being overzealous in doing that weeding either, as it seems to me they are.
We had an opportunity to allow politicians a window to clean up their acts. It has been lost. Congratulations everyone. Now they will go right back to the way they were. So much for change! At least in that area.
What we will have now is not clean politicians, but politicians better at hiding their dirt, including the dirt that washes off by just by paying some back taxes with interest. Well done everyone! Hope you are happy!
If and when the promised change does not come, I will be blaming those who flipped out and tore at their hair over some back taxes, despite the fact they were paid and then some.
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VOR
likeitis, keep defending the indefensible. face it, your democrats are a bunch of hypocrits and have broken the trust of the American people. The obama administration has a tax cheat in charge of the IRS. How convenient, how unethical.
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smithinjapan
sarge: "I'm afraid the Obama administration is going to be shaken further by skyrocketing debt that will make the Bush administration debt look like a surplus."
Another bad day for you, I see, sarge. Putting a nation 11 trillion in debt after a REAL surplus, and then not expecting it to go more into debt before it gets better, is just foolish, laddy. Any interest on said debt is going to make things worse, and you're going to blame that on Obama? If his spending doesn't prove to make things better in the long run, I'll join with how wrong it was; for now, what do you suggest, li'l buddy? We all know you think he should do the opposite of bush and 'not spend money (we) don't have', but he HAS to for your economy to survive, and already there's talk of how it's going to save jobs, etc. Of course, he'll do it DIFFERENTLY than bush, particularly in giving out the money to people who are responsible for it, not to banks that try to hire out foreign workers.
As to Daschle and co., well, who needs them? It's still funny to watch the few remaining bush fans on here try to paint this as the scandal of the century after all the crimes the last government really DID commit, and in light of the fact that people who didn't pay their taxes on time made up for it and paid even penalties -- ON THEIR OWN and without being audited.
Get over it, kiddies, and grow up a little. Their is a LOT of anger and angst being expressed that sounds merely like pent up aggression over the elections last year, and it makes a lot of you sound VERY childish, particularly in light of the fact that you defend a man who did MUCH worse for eight years.
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TexasAggie
The president had said as recently as Monday that he “absolutely” stood behind Daschle.
Isn't that the signal from Obama that you're about to be thrown under the bus?
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timorborder
"Full support" from a President is always an indication that somebody is going under a bus.
Anyway, Obama (or the people advising him) seem to have made a serious mistake vis-a-vis some of their choices. Irrespective of whether or not the actions of such people constitute crimes, the fact of the matter is that each and everyone of them has displayed either poor or extremely poor judgement in the handling of their personal affairs. As such, they should not have been considered in the first place for these important positions.
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TexasAggie
As Rush pointed out on his show today, this goes to show Obama's lack of experience and judgement. Obama probably figured the MSM would vet his cabinet the same way they vetted him; not at all.
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smithinjapan
Timorborder: "Anyway, Obama (or the people advising him) seem to have made a serious mistake vis-a-vis some of their choices. Irrespective of whether or not the actions of such people constitute crimes, the fact of the matter is that each and everyone of them has displayed either poor or extremely poor judgement in the handling of their personal affairs. As such, they should not have been considered in the first place for these important positions."
Now THAT is an objective and fair assessment of the situation, and therefore all the more persuasive. I agree with you, more or less.
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WhiteHawk
Maybe one day the Democrat lawmakers will realize the tax code is too complex. Or maybe not, since they don't pay the same penalties as the rest of us. Let's ask Charlie Rangel first...
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wuzzademcrat
Thwump thwump. The bus claims another.
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likeitis
Does anybody really believe there are saints out there in American politics? So many need to grow up a bit here. Of all the illegal offenses a politician can commit, filing a "mistaken" tax return or two is one of the least.
I am not half as worried about a politician's little tax contribution of his own money than I am worried about how politicians spend the LOT OF OUR NATIONAL TREASURE. Congress let loose BILLIONS of our tax money with no strings attached. Then you have politicians who tell us lies to get us into wars and blow billions of our money there too. And people are scratching their own eyes out over Daschle paying his taxes late and with interest???
Some here need to take some sensible pills.
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wuzzademcrat
Geithner, Daschle, and now another. Do any of these limousine Libs pay taxes?
"Nancy Killefer on Tuesday withdrew her nomination to become chief performance officer, a new post in President Obama’s administration, a White House spokesman told CNN. Officials said privately the reason for the withdrawal was unspecified tax issues. The withdrawal is an embarrassment to the White House, as the much-touted post was aimed at scrubbing the federal budget."
Shameless.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/03/performance.nominee.withdraws/index.html
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Sarge
smithinjapan: "a man who did MUCH worse for eight years"
Yeah? Well, at least he didn't nominate cabinet members who didn't pay their taxes.
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yabits
likeitis: Calling the haters on this board childish is an insult to kids. Notice how they blame Obama's team for nominating Daschle and Killefer and then blame them for withdrawing their nominations.
No wonder the American people are sick and tired of the lack of integrity exemplified by these conservatives.
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SushiSake3
Sarge, small price to pay. The previous president only planted his cronies into power, including former oil company guys into the EPA. And look where that got us all.
However, it's admirable that you supported it all through thick and thin and now your nation is $6 TRILLION worse off. :-)
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Noripinhead
It takes a big man to admit he made a mistake. Obama said flat out, "I think I screwed up." At least he was honest. He didn't want to send a message to the American people that there are two sets of standards, one for the rich and powerful and one for everyone else. Good help is hard to find these days.
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timorborder
*It takes a big man to admit he made a mistake. Obama said flat out, "I think I screwed up." *
This is a good point. Unlike the previous administration that could do no wrong (in their own eyes at least), Obama has 'fessed up to the fact that he dropped the ball. At the same time, however, although this might get him out of the doghouse this time around (being the new kid on the block and all that), "I screwed up" as an excuse has a very short shelf life. As such, if he "screws up" again, the American people might not be so forgiving.
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likeitis
Nope, he just ran an administration that paid them but stole back many times that.
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Sarge
"unlike the previous administration that could do no wrong ( in their own eyes at least)"
Heck, even Al Jazeera reported Bush's speech admitting mistakes in Iraq.
At least President Obama won't have to worry about a dictator in Iraq seeking WMD.
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likeitis
What of "he paid his back plus interest" is confusing you? Perhaps you do not realize that the near ten percent interest paid is done as a penalty?
Or do you think the rest of us would be breaking rocks for this?
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timorborder
At least President Obama won't have to worry about a dictator in Iraq seeking WMD
Seeking and having are two seperate issues? Who is to say that after the US departs Iraq, the government of that country will not slide again into dictatorship? After all, the democratic traditions of the country are not that strong.... Maybe next time around, Iraq will actually have some WMD.
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likeitis
Yes. Thank you. And thank you for list of names of people attached to real scandals in the other thread. But I do not expect it will deter the same old "mountains out of molehills" and selective memory type unhelpful, self-serving and wildly hypocritical tactics we see here.
Did somebody say "shame"? I am afraid some people here don't know the meaning of the word.
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skipthesong
this is no laughing matter. Any admin that is shaken up. I see the usual bring up Bush and the other usual bring up Obama and its all really ridiculous. we are going to continue having clownish antics in our gov until we start voting for other parties and voting across party lines.
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likeitis
Thank you skip. Everyone, this is your new mantra. Repeat this ten times every night before going to bed. Begin every toast this way. Heck, answer the telephone this way! This is the bottom line. Mark it well.
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skipthesong
criticism over his failure to fully pay taxes from 2005 through 2007. He has since paid more than $140,000 including interest." Ok, now this I didn't know. This is more than just a simple mistake. I'd given the benefit of the doubt if it was one, but now we learn 2 or maybe even 3 years of not paying. Have any of you noticed that when a US government elected official is in a mess, all they have to do is say sorry and get a chance to clean it up? Had they been regular employees, even civil service, they would have been fired.
He got off easy. No, I don't want to hear Repub or Dems cheering on the sidelines, I prefer to hear condemnation.
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SushiSake3
Sarge - "At least President Obama won't have to worry about a dictator in Iraq seeking WMD."
That's true. He only has to worry about the biggest global economic meltdown in 80 years, caused in no small part by the failures of the previous U.S. administration that you spent 8 solid years backing to the hilt.
Sorry, where is Iraq again, and why does it matter to ordinary Americans?
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wuzzademcrat
I keep reading that if I criticize Obama before he has had 6 months (?) in office it will mean that I am just a "hater."
He has already broken his "no lobbyists in my White House" with 17 different appointments.
Do his defenders still believe in unicorns?
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TexasAggie
Looks like Joe Biden only needs to be lecturing Democrat party members and let them know that paying taxes is "Patriotic".
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TexasAggie
Obama wants all Americans to pay their taxes and be patriotic unless of course you are going to be a member of his administration.
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SushiSake3
Considering how the previous U.S. administration scammed Americans out of billions - no, trillions - of dollars on a pointless war, it might pay for some of the supporters of said administration to get things in perspective, difficult as it may be.
These judgement errors will be forgotton in a month - time to get over it chappies.
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TexasAggie
Looks like properly vetting people to become members of his administration is above Obama's pay grade.
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Bgood41
Obama was a candidate of "good judgment", for now he is the president of "? judgment". First was Richardson, second is Tim Geitner, and now Daschle...who's next? Remember Democratic NY congressman C. Wrangles! The show just begins for more to come. MLK said that a person should be judged by the content of character, and not words alone. Obama's stimulus package is not much about jobs creation, but rather about paying off and securing the Democratic base. Please do not waste our children future by wasteful spending. If Sadam still alive, he would laugh like a crazy man and disturb the whole middle east including gasing some of the many loons who are still embracing the WMD. Irag is improving and has a long way to go, and that is the fact.
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Midnightpromise
All this interesting stuff in his 1st month, and the Obama circus has just came to town for a four year run...............
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Midnightpromise
Sishisake better study American history some more, poor loans were the brain child of the democratic party
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ashika1009
Obama is going to be a dud as president. At this rate he will be lucky to complete four years without being impeached. Barely literate and communicating in language like "screwed up" does not impress (at all). Pitiful.
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ashika1009
"These judgement errors will be forgotton in a month - time to get over it chappies." And, sushisake3-san, the biased left wing media will undoubtedly aid us in the memory loss. After all Obama was the media`s candidate of choice. Left wing media propoganda is disturbing and immoral.
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likeitis
More spin with an element of truth, but still a lie. Easing regulations is not an invitation to make bad loans. If the Democratic party, and the Republicans who also voted for it, are guilty of anything, it is failure to comprehend just how greedy some people are. They forgot again with bailouts, only guess whose idea that was. And even worse than that, guess whose bright idea it was to rush the process to the point that the money will never be traced properly.
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ashika1009
putting food on your family ??? Perhaps you mean "putting food on your family`s table" ?? Literacy seems a rare thing these days . . . .
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likeitis
Last year's mistake tends to carry over. If you did not think something was income one year, why would you suddenly think it was the next year? It was not an error of omission. It was an error of definition. It was spotted by re-examiningg everything before the anal-retentives could find it on their own. Sadly, it does not seem to matter.
I wonder what gives you that idea?
Do you have an example? And I don't mean a random one, like throwing crap on a plate so you can say dinner is served, as so often happens with examples around here. I mean an example of someone finding unpaid tax, paying it plus interest, and then getting fired from their civil service job.
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likeitis
So does a non-selective memory.
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SushiSake3
As I mentioned previously, this Dasche tax issue will be forgotton in a month.
Time to move along.
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TexasAggie
If the Republicans had the same issues of NOT paying their DUE taxes, it would BE KNOWN and repeatedly talked about on the U.S. Left Wing Media Outlets to no end for years. Let's keep credit to where credit is truly do, that is with the non-patriotic federal tax dodging corrupt Democrat politicians.
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TexasAggie
When it comes to vetting people for cabinet positions, Obama's "A" Team is beginnging to look more like "F Troop."
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Nessie
An apology instead of eight years of stonewalling?
They were right. Obama is inexperienced.
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TexasAggie
“Make no mistake, tax cheaters cheat us all, and the IRS should enforce our laws to the letter.”
-- Sen. Tom Daschle, Congressional Record, May 7, 1998, p. S4507.
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TexasAggie
Gotta love this new administration. At the news conference the question was asked -- several times -- about Obama's choices for cabinet positions like Daschle's and the tax cheating and if it undermined Obama's stance and promises to the American people about accountability.
Answer: the president doesn't see these mistakes as taking away from the persons ability to perform the duties who he feels is the best choice to do those duties... Oh, and the American people will understand.
Yep, Obama's promised accountability thang is doing just fine.
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SushiSake3
TexasAggie - "that is with the non-patriotic federal tax dodging corrupt Democrat politicians."
ha ha, is that a club? Does it have a members clubroom and a cool hand signal?
"When it comes to vetting people for cabinet positions, Obama's "A" Team is beginnging to look more like "F Troop."
Hmmm.....well, after seeing how the McCain campaign "vetted" Sarah Palin, the vetting bar has admittedly been set pretty low.
Let's face it. Tom Dasche has fessed up, paid his back taxes and is now NOT going to be part of Obama's team.
What is the problem now, considering it doesn't simply exist in the heads of Republicans who - like their Idiot God Idol Rush Limbaugh - actually WANT President Obama to fail? :-)
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Nessie
No, Wuzz. People were objecting to criticisms of his presidency before it even started. Now it's fair game.
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Nessie
“Make no mistake, tax cheaters cheat us all, and the IRS should enforce our laws to the letter.” -- Sen. Tom Daschle, Congressional Record, May 7, 1998, p. S4507
Apparently the letter "U" and not the letter "I."
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SushiSake3
Nessie, good one :-)
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TexasAggie
Gotta give Obama's vetting "F Troop" credit: They are sure helping recover money owed the U.S. government. Maybe they should replace the IRS auditors.
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likeitis
http://www.newsweek.com/id/143775/
You mean like the way we never hear the end of the McCains' back taxes on their La Jolla property since at least last July? Yeah, I get sick of hearing about it over and over too. And McCain was just small potatoes. A presidential nominee? How can that even compare to a cabinet nominee?
But generally I will not accuse Republicans of not paying their tax. Instead, I will accuse Republicans of coming up with ways that they and their rich buddies can avoid paying their fair share by writing in tax laws favorable to the rich, a far more heinous crime if you ask me.
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TexasAggie
Apparently, senior Democrat appointees are not expected to express their patriotism in the same manner the rest of us are.
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SushiSake3
Texas, talking about recovering money, maybe you have some ideas how to recover that $350-odd bilion the Bush administration threw at banks and lending houses in its dying days, you know, the money that was given away with no checks, no requirements for accountability, nothing, and that not one of the financial institutions involved has been able to explain where their share went.
Compared to that, Tom Dasche's late tax payment is pretty irrelevant. :-)
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likeitis
Make that late payment with interest. Near 10 percent interest.
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YangYong
Poor vetting, akin to the grand old's vp nominee, someone needs to get on top of the process, quick sharp.
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TexasAggie
3, try your best to keep from going off-topic. This thread is about tax-cheat Daschle, not Former President Bush.
It's late here in Houston. Good night from Texas.
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Nessie
Yeah, his thing was conflicts of interest a la crony capitalism.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/07/politics/main532180.shtml
O'Neill's two years at Treasury were peppered with controversy. He touched off a furor when he said he would keep nearly $100 million worth of stock in his former company, Alcoa, after being named to the Cabinet post. Under fire by critics about potential conflicts of interest, he eventually reversed course and sold the stock.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HenryPaulson#Conflictofinterestclaims
Paulson's plan could potentially have some conflicts of interest, since Paulson is the former CEO of Goldman Sachs, a firm that may benefit largely from the plan.[28] Paulson has no direct financial interest in Goldman, however, since he sold his entire stake in the firm prior to becoming Treasury Secretary, pursuant to ethics law.[29] The sale was tax-free and netted near $200,000,000 in tax benefits to Mr Paulson, questioning the motives of his joining the government. [30] Despite this, opponents argue that Paulson remains a Wall Street insider and still maintains close friendships with higher-ups of the bailout beneficiaries. The proposed bill would give the United States Treasury Secretary unprecedented powers over the economic and financial life of the U.S. Section 8 of Paulson’s original plan stated: "Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency."[31]. For that reason, many bloggers refer to Mr. Paulson as "King Henry." [32] After the passage of this bill, the press has recently reported that the Treasury is now proposing to use these funds ($700 billion) in ways other than was originally intended in the bill.[33].
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onewrldoneppl
instead of waiting to see what mr. obama's administration can do, why don't the american people jus'impeach him now (after only 2 weeks on the job). then they too, can enjoy a revolvin'door of leadership. like the one that works so well here in japan ... ha ha ha. fukuda-abe-aso! the triple crown of leadership ... ha ha ha.
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likeitis
Could we also say its not about Obama or the presidency in general?
Anyway, Daschle is a FORMER tax cheat at best. Do try and keep up.
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BeatlesFan
Daschle is a FORMER tax cheat at best.
He's a former tax cheat only because he got caught.
This transitian isnt going very smoothlie.
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yabits
Wrong, Nessie. Criticism is one thing. Expressing the hope that the person will fail is quite another.
Like these withdrawals: These double-dealing Republicans feel that any Democrat who files an amended tax return must be some kind of criminal, even if the parties catch the mistake themselves and make good on the payment. And then, anyone who willfully withdraws themselves from consideration warrants, to these Republican haters, another attack on Obama.
Criticism is one thing and it is certainly fair game. But you embarrass yourself if you pretend that what is going on here is genuine criticism.
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wuzzademcrat
"These double-dealing Republicans feel that any Democrat who files an amended tax return must be some kind of criminal, even if the parties catch the mistake themselves and make good on the payment."
Rangel, Geithner and Daschle are not just any Democrats.
For the record, I'd support legislation saying anyone elected and going to DC has to have their taxes in order. (I'd like to see official birth certs as well...)
Tax code too arcane you say?
Well then, simplify it, as many Republicans and Libertarians have been saying for years.
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Nessie
To borrow from Wilde, "To lose one nominee may be regarded as unfortunate. To lose three looks like carelessness."
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Nessie
I don't think you quite understand where I'm coming from, Yabits.
I criticized the Republicans for breaches of ethics and I promised to do the same to Democrats when it was their turn. I've kept that promise. Dascle only pulled out when he saw he was a lame duck. The only credit you get for that is strategic credit.
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yabits
LOL! Looney Tunes.
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yabits
Does that mean you fail to turn your critical eye towards the kind of hatred and lies directed at Obama's team? I think you fail to understand how "keeping your promise" adds fuel to their fire.
You quoted Wilde. Who was it that referred to the hobgoblin of little minds?
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ca1ic0cat
I don't see this as a heavy political blow, I see it as the nominees being less than honest in their disclosure (you betcha!) and Obama wanting to give them the benefit of the doubt until it was plain that the nominee had lied. You can't just cut somebody loose at the first sign of trouble. Unless you're a gutless wonder, that is. Bush hung in there waaay too long with the neocons. Probably because he was one. Obama might have hung in there a little too long with Daschle but the guy is a ranking democrat. You don't throw that type of person to the wolves unless you have to.
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Taka313
Well, bush did do a pretty good job of setting a precedent on regarding himself above the law. Happy?
Taka
Moderator: Readers, please stay on topic. George W Bush is not relevant to this discussion.
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sailwind
GOOD
That last thing I want is former Sen Tom Daschle in charge of my health care.
The guy can't even take care of his own finances.
Period.
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Nessie
No, it doesn't. But there will be haters and liars no matter what. I find it more productive to focus on the government malfeasance than on the malfeasance of posters.
When I see malfeasance, I call it. I'm not sure how that's a foolish consistency. (Franklin? Johnson? I'm too lazy to look it up.)
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yabits
Regarding Daschle, I fail to see where the malfeasance was. Since he had made good in the eyes of the law and with the IRS, technically his slate was clean. Secondly, I don't see how making a mistake on one's personal income taxes while not holding a government position (as was the case with Daschle) constitutes "government malfeasance."
It might be wiser to raise questions when what looks like something improper appears, and then wait until the important facts are in before calling it. Otherwise, you join in with the malfeasance of posters.
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WhiteHawk
SushiSake3:
...only to be replaced by the next "issue". Obama's picking from a pool of Beltway Democrats, remember?
No wonder Democrats like to raise taxes. It seems they only expect eeeeviiiiil Republicans to pay them. ;-)
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Badsey
When you are used to handouts -Why pay taxes?
NeoCom all the way baby!
Most of these politicians have never worked a real job in their life.
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likeitis
He may be the plumber with leaky pipes in his own house. I recommend you look at the work he is paid to do, rather than his house. Yeah, I know Mrs. Obama also takes your line. I disagree with her too.
You see, its sort of like noticing the clocks in Einsteins house are off by a few minutes, then deciding you don't want his help in building an atomic clock. The logic you are floating is very small minded.
Top republicans still wanted Daschle. They did not get to be there by making super simplistic statements followed by spelling out the word "period". They got their by worrying about the big stuff, and by letting the small stuff become giant stumbling blocks.
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amerijap
So, he officially withdrew from the nomination. OK.
Well, he seemed to keep himself a low profile for a while. He dropped out of the public attention after he lost a seat in 2004 re-election. Regarding the fact that he's served as a senate majority leader until four years ago, and Obama made signal for the nomination, he still had some trust within most Democrats and even from some Republicans. And that's for sure. I think he made his choice what would be the best interest for himself and the Obama Administration, because the news about his tax problem showed up right in the time of financial and economic crisis this country is facing now. You might want to stigmatize him in any way, but you should keep in mind that it has nothing to do with what party he belongs to. Linking your characteristic description (of Daschle) with your preference on political party is, simply, ludicrous. It doesn't make any sense to me at all.
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unscrejects
This is what Obama promised - change in Washington. These guys were simply living the life of Riley. Who ever would have suspected Tom D? Folks this is the change. Washington players can start to feel the heat - they're being outted.
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wuzzademcrat
As was predicted, Daschle went under the bus.
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likeitis
Oh, so that means his self-amended return was not such a problem for you? Me either.
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wuzzademcrat
Daschle, Richardson, Blago, Valerie Jarret, Kelliher...
That bus is wicked.
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