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yabits
"Bold" is not a word I would apply to the American people in general. And we are certainly getting the leadership we deserve. Many claim to want change, but all they seem to want is a new person to whip and whine about.
America truly deserves the fate that awaits the timid.
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Branded
""Bold" is not a word I would apply to the American people in general."
Dozens of historical examples aside, electing a black president seems rather appropriate- at least if one spends the time to read world-wide reports on the event.
Once again, poor choice of words by the resident hate monger. Obama and his ilk are now forced to scale back their ridiculous health care package now that Scott has won the Mass. senate seat. Obviously the Reps now have enough votes to kill the package but this is also a reflection of voter disatisfaction with the Obama presidency, which is now demonstrating some of the lowest voter approval ratings in the history of a first year president. Oh to have Dubya back at the reigns !
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RomeoRamenII
Translation: The Barack Hussein Obama Memorial Health Care Scam is dead.
Once again, thank you, Massachusetts.
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cracaphat
****Oh to have Dubya back at the reigns. Er was he king ?
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Branded
"****Oh to have Dubya back at the reigns. Er was he king ?"
And then some !
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timorborder
Change you can believe it. Well, it looks like a certain percentage of the electorate no longer believes (if it ever did), as such, being the good politician, Obama is scaling back his ambitions for reasons of political expediency.
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goddog
Yappari. These guys are becoming to look more and more like the Japanese politicians.
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techall
If the Democrats try to ram-rod something down the publics throat that they clearly don't want they will be toast in November.
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RomeoRamenII
“those elements of the package that people agree on.”
Yet, during townhall meetings across the nation the voters were regarded by the democrats as astro-turfers, mobs, 'tea-baggers" and Nazi's. It is laughable how democrats and this administration can be so dismissive of the voters one minute and be bi-partisian the next.
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Odogma
It looks to me like the Soros people and their minions among the Democratic Party leadrship misunderstimated the Tea Party phenomenon, a stupid mistake which they compounded by ridiculing them and even calling them un-American.
Hubris.
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RomeoRamenII
Looks like Obama's admitting that for the past eight months he and his fellow democrats "acted stupidly" in trying to force ObamaCare on Americans and is now "recalibrating" his words.
Heh, talk about a "teaching moment".
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minello7
Denying 50 million people health care is a crime,whichever way you look at it.What the republicans and some democrats are saying is we don't want you to have health insurance which means denying health care. When they want more money for wars,you get the gung ho mentality,nothing spared ,how much do you want. Those politicians want to kill this bill ,just like they did with Clintons health care bill. President Obama was elected by his promise of change,the voters believed in him.Make everything transparent like he promised. Every politician that objects to a bill that benifits the American people should have his name published.Let the voters see what their elected official is doing for them. President Obama ,Americans like the gung ho attitude,so how about using it now on capitol hill,start by kicking $&#e ,get the respect of all the people.The man you replaced used to do it to get what he wanted,the only difference was he didn't care about the American people, YOU DO. Big business NEEDS the people to survive, not politicians,so what do you have to lose.
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Odogma
Democrats failed. That is the end of the story.
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moonbeams
I agree, democrats failed. Too much appeasing to the other side and too many democrats in the pockets of big business. The American people are being suckered big and the democrats lack the cajones to do stand up to rumors.
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Sarge
yabits: "Bold" is not a word I would apply to the American people in general"
Thanks for your humble opinion.
"Failure" is a word I would apply to the Democrats' efforts to pass health care reform that would be good for Americans.
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ThonTaddeo
Every American under about 40 should be dancing in the streets with the thought of that awful bill not passing. It's yet another giant subsidy for the baby boomers at the expense of the young. Forcing someone with a low probability of using insurance to pay massive amounts of money for it so that older, richer people with a greater possibility of needing health care is a crime.
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yabits
Funny how health care reform that would be good for Americans is blocked by all of the Republicans. After they lie about it and do all they can to scare the American people.
I mean let's take an example of a plan the Republicans said would be really good for the American people: privatizing Social Security and letting Wall Street have those funds. (What a disaster that would have been, had the Republicans not failed in their attempt to bring it about.)
Their prescription drug benefit plan was nothing but a giveaway to big pharmaceutical companies.
One awful set of policies after another from them, and not a clue about how to solve health care other than pushing for the worst doctors to not be held liable for their mistakes -- aka "tort reform."
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cracaphat
Republicans couldnt do any better despite the background noise on offer.
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Molenir
Good for some, bad for most. We need to get this straight. Yes it would help some, others it would hurt, as they could no longer afford the quality of care. The rationed managed care that would also be instituted would hurt most Americans, and those who come from overseas seeking the best care. It would hurt Seniors, since the Dems plan doesn't fix Medicare. And of course theres the cost, that would have been borne by almost all Americans. No, for most Americans, this would have been a bad thing. Only a few would have benefited from it.
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Noliving
Is it Yabits? Have you read the 2000 page bill? I have only read part of it and most of the parts I have read I don't like.
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Noliving
They are not exactly denied healthcare, you can still get health care, you just need to negotiate a monthly payment plan with the hospital for the care you received.
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WhiteHawk
Yabits:
How is it good for Americans to levy fines and jail time for not buying health insurance? And what lies? And to second Noliving, have you read the bill?
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Odogma
I can't help but notice that not one American supporter of the Democratic Party is prepared to have his party take the responsibility and blame for the death of a nationalised health care plan.
It could have been passed months ago.
The votes were there.
A historic chance, come and gone.
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Branded
Yabits states;
"Funny how health care reform that would be good for Americans is blocked by all of the Republicans. After they lie about it and do all they can to scare the American people."
"Good for Americans" ?
Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi for a year now have been crafting a federal takeover of health care with a vast plan that provides coverage for the uninsured – most of whom are minorities – while sticking it to Medicare recipients.
Immigrants are 21 percent of the uninsured, but only 7 percent of the population. This means folks on Medicare will see benefits cut and downsized, while new arrivals from the Third World, where almost all immigrants come, get taxpayer-subsidized health insurance. No wonder all those tea-party and town-hall protests seem to be made up of angry American citizens.
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yabits
Where, specifically, is that in the health care bill?
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yabits
I have read much of it and, if you were to be as honest as I am, neither you nor I are much of an expert on health care policy -- even though that would not stop less well-read and less honest of those who post here from pretending that they are.
In other words, I needed to supplement my reading of the bill with unbiased commentary -- very difficult to find, especially when you've got the true haters out to brand anyone who argues for some of the major provisions of the bill as a socialist or worse.
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Sarge
"Where, specifically, is that in the health care bill?"
yabits, why d'ya suppose most Americans oppose this health care bill?
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yabits
The same way that it is good for Americans that tax cheats get heavy fines and possible jail time. The same way that uninsured motorists get the same.
You either believe that access to health care is a basic human need and therefore a basic human right -- or you don't. I understand there are many Americans who are willing and most comfortable to see their neighbors bankrupted or who suffer with an untreated condition until it becomes an emergency, but I am not one of those.
One of the main ways that the opposition to the plan is sold is by threatening the majority that if the uninsured are brought into the fold, that it will mean less health care for them in some future hypothetical scenario. Essentially, that is their argument -- whether they personally need health care right now, or not. It does not matter that they can't point to the bill and specifically state what provision would ban private clinics from providing special care to those who can pay extra for those services, all they care about is using a scare tactic.
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guest
Between the lines.
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Sarge
"You either believe that access to health care is a basic human need..."
Anyone in the U.S. has access to health care.
"... and therefore a basic human right - or you don't."
You either believe that the U.S. Constitution doesn't say that the government should provide health care for everyone or you don't.
Apparently yabits doesn't believe it.
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yabits
Certainly not because they personally read and analyzed it. Just as you haven't.
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Sarge
yabits, you're the one who hasn't read it.
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yabits
Believe in lies if you want to. After all, that's why you support Republicans.
Clean air and water aren't anywhere in the Constitution, but life would not be possible for very long without them. And so we have all kinds of laws regulating the things needed by human beings so that one greedy bunch doesn't end up polluting the air and water that must be used by all. (Of course, that never stopped conservatives from arguing in favor of someone's personal right to pollute.)
As I learned early in this life: There are two kinds of people who don't amount to much: Those who can't follow directions (like those in the Constitution), and those who can do nothing else.
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Sarge
"Believe in lies if you want to"
Let's see if yabits can provide us with proof of any U.S. hospital refusing to provide medical treatment to someone who can't pay.
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Molenir
Yeah, sounds like something we hear about in Japan, with pregnant Women turned away from a dozen hospitals. Doesn't happen in the US. People are sick, hospitals take em. Sarge is right, everyone has access to health care.
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Branded
Why don't we just simplify the discussion for the Yabit's and others out there that just can't seem to comprehend the issue... which is- "why are Americans so against a government mandated health insurance" ? It really is quite simple. It is estimated that there are about 40 million uninsured "people living" in America. Of these figure that 15-20 million are of the "illegal alien" category. Which leaves about 20 million actual "Americans" without health insurance- but whoa up, as many as 50% of those say they don't want health insurance- "never been or get sick" The "why take my money just because I'm healthy" crowd- of which "I" belong ! never been sick in 25 years and counting, just think of all the money I've saved- might explain my 2,100 square foot house on dual acres of land with a mountain view ! in any case, we are now down to about 10 million people struggling for answers. Now ! What exactly is the population of the USA ? An estimated 310 million ??? And this prez is focusing all his attention and energy for such a small percentage of the US population ? "That" is why Americans are up in arms over the "health care" BS ! Now if Obama would spend half as much time on "jobs creation" as he does on this, well you bet your booty his popularity numbers would be through the roof ! Amazing how he, the president, and the yabits crowd find this so difficult to comprehend.
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Branded
"Let's see if yabits can provide us with proof of any U.S. hospital refusing to provide medical treatment to someone who can't pay."
This actually isn't difficult to do. Isolated incidence do occur and it does ocassionally happen- but definitely not on the scale with Japan, where there is absolutely no excuse for turning away citizens in need of care. Japan is the poster child for exactly what is wrong with government mandated health insurance. Japan has shown us how socialized medicine simply doesn't work. from pregnant mothers being turned away from hospitals, elderly overcrowding the system and bogging it down, a lack of nurses and doctors due to poor salaries, to the eventual poor quality of health care- mis diagnosis is common, a virtual freeze on transplants and technology, antiquated offices and facilities, the list goes on and on.
Currently in America, if you can't pay- so be it. Mexicans from across the border learned this years ago. I too take advantage of it when in need. My family has never been ostricized, brow beat, or denied any kind of medical assistance... absolutely never ! This may be in connection with the various christian values inundated on the average American, I don't know- and I don't care. To sum up, if you want or are in need of medical assistance in America, world class quality can be found free of charge, why change that !
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WhiteHawk
yabits:
Obviously, it's never occurred to you that major provisions of this bill are socialist - or worse. How does pointing such facts make someone a "hater"? Is that because you define "haters" the same way you define "hate speech": What you hate to be challenged with?
You're equating going on a government health-care program with paying taxes? Fascinating.
First, only in some states, not all. Second, when you operate a motor vehicle, you are putting the lives and property of others at risk.
EVERY AMERICAN HAS ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE! It's just some people want someone else (they don't really care who) to pay for it.
"Hypothetical"? Have you seen the financial condition of Social Security, Medicare, even the Post Office?
Was there a place, specifically, in the legislation that provided welfare and food stamps for America's poor that called for the destruction of poor families and the obesity of those on welfare? No, but it was there, between the lines. It's called "unintended consequence", and it seems to happen regularly with the Left's well-intentioned, guilt-ridden, make-ourselves-feel-better-without-solving-the-problem-or-even-creating-new-ones "social justice" schemes.
It's not that Americans - even "evil Republicans" - don't want to provide care for those who genuinely need it. But it's how to go about it that's the argument. Democrat voters (not all, but many) want health care of the same quality we have now, they just want the bill sent to someone else. Preferably a Republican. Democrat leaders want the power to say who gets what, and use that power to build their unquestioning voting block. Republican (and independent, if the last three elections are any indication) voters don't want corrupt, inept idiots like Pelosi, Murtha, Obama, etc., having any more control over their lives and money than they do already. They don't want another system that is going to be bursting the budget with fraud and abuse, as so many other government social programs are now. Republican leaders want tort reform in order to bring down the cost of health insurance, so more people can afford it on their own.
Most Americans (and statically that has to include some Democrats) don't want the program that has been proposed by the current Democrat leadership. Instead of a $1,000,000,000,000+ bureaucratic nightmare, how just giving each American citizen who can't get health insurance a $1,000,000 medical savings account and be done with it? Why not? Because it's too simple, it doesn't involve enough lawyers or paperwork, it doesn't give Democrat leaders more control over the lives of nearly all Americans, and it doesn't put more leverage money into a system of corruption and political influence (just imagine Murtha having a health-care paradise in his district of Pennsylvania while the rest of the country makes do with less).
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