Obama, amid criticism from McCain, says he will visit Iraq

Tuesday 17th June, 07:25 AM JST

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adaydream at 03:05 AM JST - 19th June

Why should I go to Iraq? You go if you like.

I'm not misrepresenting John McCain. He's already said that he was all for staying in Iraq for 100 years. He's willing to sacrifise the lives and funds it would take to maintain such an effort. Korea and Japan were both sited by John McCain as model military missions and he'd be more than willing to stay in Iraq in the same capacity. And he's not talking about some line in the sand and we'll keep factions apart, he's talking about 50 permanent bases. Where we are all over the country, being targets for disgruntled Iraqis and magnet for terrorist that our presence draws.

I'm not misrepresenting John McCain.

doug feith and dick cheney sat in their private little world and created the lies that george bush told. they created the WMD lies and backed up their false beliefs by quoting self-exiled Iraqis who wasn't Saddam dead. the fabrication of the Niger letter saying Saddam had bought yellowcake and oh..oh... don't forget the glossy photos that Colin Powell showed the UN. And they found?

No george bush lied were never debunked. < :-)
adaydream at 03:11 AM JST - 19th June

Thanx USAFdude. < :-)
WhiteHawk at 04:15 AM JST - 19th June

But John McCain, being the avid war supporter doesn't want this war to end.

No matter how you spin it, that's a misrepresentation of McCain's words. Period. No amount of your backpedaling or re-writing can change that.

Why should I go to Iraq? You go if you like.

I'm too old to enlist, but my company is considering doing work there (as well as other areas in the M.E. I'll let you know if an opportunity comes up. What's your specialty?

As for why you (and Obama) should go to Iraq, it's so you can see for yourself what is going on there, instead of getting your talking points from Jack Murtha. Say, how did his claims about Haditha pan out?

I've talked to enough vets who have returned from recent tours, and not a single one has shared anything resembling your perspective on their mission.
adaydream at 07:49 AM JST - 19th June

Yep I checked out the snopes site and you fail to mention that even snopes states that most of these statements were made antedate to the to Operation Desert Fox Dec 1998 when Cohen and Shelton said that they'd destroyed Saddam's ability to strike with WMD or Nukes.

But we're really concerned about what george bush said, because he is the one who used his power to attack Iraq. Bill Clinton may have said or even repeated every statement that you or anybody else says he said, but he didn't attack Iraq, george bush did. george bush even sent the inspectors back in for 30 days prior to attaclking and went through every place they could find and even the palaces. The CIA went in with a list of hundreds of places to look. They found what? _______________ Nothing and they still attacked. Like I said, Bill Clinton said a lot of things, but he didn't attack. george bush did.

Then Bill Clinton didn't produce all those photoshop pictures for Congress or the UN. Bill Clinton didn't take those same photoshop pictures and try to convince the world that there was something that there wasn't.

The people of this country and have said resoundly that they want this war over. That they want their troops home. Barack Obama says that he will fulfill our request. John McCain says that no matter what the people want, if he's elected president the troops stay and he's will to keep them there for...100 years.

But Barack will travel there. He'll go again. John McCain will probably go at least 2 more times by the time elections come around. < :-)
adaydream at 12:34 PM JST - 19th June

WhiteHawk - Two last things. I've been posting since before george bush attacked Iraq. From day one I've been saying that doctors, teachers, mothers and fathers have been getting killed protecting their country from the invaders and occupiers. And RR and his ilk have been telling me I'm full of crap and they are all terrorist. Again I make the same claim. Either you haven't been on here as long as some of us and you missed the comments.

Last comment - If you go to Iraq as you say you want to, my prayers on your return. < :-)
adaydream at 12:38 PM JST - 19th June

OOPS, one more. Yes Saddam was fully cooperative. He didn't want to be. He squacked and bitched, but he relented and we inspected everything and everyplace that we wanted to. Like I said, we even got into his palaces that he tried to keep offlimits. < :-)
adaydream at 12:43 PM JST - 19th June

Moderators, why is personal information that has a bearing to the post off topic? Please explain to us. I mean if I had no personal experiances to fall back on, how can I understand more than a few selected words. Right, you agree? < :-)

Moderator: Some readers have a history of using personal information volunteered by readers to post vicious and spiteful attacks on them. Furthermore, our discussion board is not a chat room. Readers should focus their comments on the topic at all times, and not at or about other readers.
adaydream at 01:23 PM JST - 19th June

Understand Thanx. < :-)
adaydream at 03:51 AM JST - 20th June

I call them citizens fighting to kick the occupiers out of Iraq. The terrorists, like many want to call them are those doctors, lawyers, mothers and fathers trying to kick the occupiers out.

There are real terrorists who would kill 50 or 60 with one swift detenation. I believe that they kill more than the freedom fighters, just by the act they committed. These terrorists need to be caught by the police who work the ares. Their neighbors turning them in. Not the US military all over the place.

You take out the US military and the violence would drop exponentionally and the Iraqi Army could deal with any violence that remains.

That's my take on it. Tell me what it's like when you get back. < :-)
WhiteHawk at 04:24 AM JST - 20th June

Zebari told Obama (who agrees with you) that a precipitous withdrawal “would create a huge vacuum and undo all the gains and achievements. And the others” - enemies of the United States - “would celebrate.”

Sounds like your take would be adjusted if you traveled with Obama to meet Zebari yourself. Have a nice flight.
adaydream at 04:40 AM JST - 20th June

I have seen that this administration and it's flagwavers, near and far, have said a whole lot of stuff over the past 5 years. And the only thing I believe has come to fruition was the surge. I had my doubts, but the surge worked to some extent so far.

But when most of the generals on the ground were calling for more troops, all they received in return was lip service. Never the troops they ask for.

I wouldn't be there to begin with, but now that we've done most of the damage that we can do, BRING OUR TROOPS HOME!!!!!! < :-)
WhiteHawk at 06:35 AM JST - 20th June

...and you know more about what's going on in Iraq than Zebari. Riiiiiight. How? From watching Olberman and Matthews?

By the way, you obviously didn't notice this, but even Obama won't follow your adivce, according to his promise to Zebari:

Barack Obama:

...if there would be a Democratic administration, it will not take any irresponsible, reckless, sudden decisions or action to endanger your gains, your achievements, your stability or security. Whatever decision he will reach will be made through close consultation with the Iraqi government and U.S. military commanders in the field.
adaydream at 06:50 AM JST - 20th June

I never advocated this war. You republicans and duped democrats did. I've been protesting this action since before the first volley was fired. But you seem to be so gullible as to believe what you've heard. I guess you even want to follow McCain's plan, and stay in Iraq till victory is achieved and beyond....... McCain's victory?

He talks a lot about his service to our nation. If we had stayed in VN till victory, he'd till be there.

Maybe I am more right than Zebari. I'm a hell of a lot more right then you republicans who were suckered by george bush. < :-)
Sarge at 06:56 AM JST - 20th June

When Obama goes to Iraq, he's going to take Hillary with him so he can experience sniper fire.
EurajReturns at 09:55 AM JST - 22nd June

Radical right-wing assertions will be damaged if Al Qaeda members don't party in the streets for him.