Obama calls for bipartisan work on health care

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Badsey at 08:27 AM JST - 11th October

We must bow down to Obama and push this legislation thru blindly no matter what the costs. If Pelosi doesn't get her new fleet of jets this world will come to and end.

=This started out as a 15% solution and now has become a 100% problem, and we will still have many without insurance and they must pay to not get insurance = how backward is that? Why don't we just charge the 15% that don't have insurance.
USAFdude at 12:38 PM JST - 11th October

Obama calls for bipartisan work on health care

Proper translation: Republicans need to get with the program and acknowledge that health-care reform, particularly a public option, is one of the main reasons America elected Barack Hussein Obama President of the United States.
techall at 12:44 PM JST - 11th October

@USAFdude: Republican members of congress were elected too, to represent their districts. It a democracy, Obama ws not elected king. According to most polls I have seen, the more American people are opposed to the public option.
WhiteHawk at 12:58 PM JST - 11th October

USAFdude:

Republicans need to get with the program and acknowledge that health-care reform, particularly a public option, is one of the main reasons America elected Barack Hussein Obama President of the United States.

techall:

Republican members of congress were elected too, to represent their districts. It a democracy, Obama ws not elected king. According to most polls I have seen, the more American people are opposed to the public option.

...and USAFdude is knocked facedown on the mat in Round 1. That's what you get for confusing President Barack Hussein Obama with King Hussein of Jordan, USAFdude. Besides, THE main reason some Americans voted Obama into office is that he wasn't George W. Bush. The other reason some Americans voted for him was purely racist.
USAFdude at 03:42 PM JST - 11th October

ROTFLMAO! Is that the best you two can do?! "Obama's not King"? Of course he isn't; he's the President of the United States of America, duly and fairly elected by the majority of the American people, not merely some of us.

...and USAFdude delivers the KO to both WhiteHawk and techall in a single punch.
The_Pope at 08:33 PM JST - 11th October

The problem with most Americans is that they are driven by their wants and not their needs. The cold reality is that a majority of Americans don't worry about health insurance until they or a loved one gets sick and then they cry poverty. Less than 50% of Americans have life insurance -- most live for the here and now -- now we are supposed to feel empathy for irresponsible people. 25% of Americans who work full time jobs and who's employers offer health insurance choose not to participate due to the personal cost (Source: Flatlined: Resuscitating American Medicine) Now they want to call it Medicare for everyone -- try to find a doctor who will take a new Medicare patient -- its easier to win the lottery.
Wolfpack at 11:04 PM JST - 11th October

techall's rational and logical response to USAFdude stating that just because Obama was elected president Republicans (and many Democrats) do not have to go along with Obama's socialist health care plan was indeed a knockout.

President Obama campaigned as a moderate but is now pushing Leftist policies across the board. Obama has made the national deficit and debt much much worse and wants to launch a hugely expensive health care plan on top of that. That is just crazy and shows a complete disregard for the future consequences of such a irresonsible enlargement of government. Obama can go around claiming that there is an 'unprecendented consensus' all he wants but that is just factually untrue.

A more accurate statement would be, Obama and the far Left of his party should acknowledge that Obama is not a dictator and that he should scale back his socialist agenda and work with Republicans and the more sane members of his own party to cover those without insurance without growing the government and the deficit/debt.
Taka313 at 11:35 PM JST - 11th October

The GOP will never support any health care reform. If President Obama passes this reform, with a public plan, republicans know it win more seats in Congress in '10 for the Dems and the president will skate to an easy re-election in '12.

Much like thy enjoy doing with war, republicans are putting REAL lives in danger for the sake of their own political ones. Unfortunately, I'm not even a little bit surprised.

Taka
USAFdude at 12:16 AM JST - 12th October

Taka, Couldn't agree more, but then the republicans have invalidated themselves by their constant knee-jerk rejection of anything and everything President Obama and the Democrats suggest. So let them continue doing so; the only ones they're "knocking out" are themselves.

But, at least the republicans' intransigence will help ensure Democratic (i.e. American) control of both the White House and Congress after the '10 and '12 elections.
techall at 01:44 AM JST - 12th October

USAFdude and Taka313: Do either of you have any idea of how the U.S. government works? You both sound like idiots! Congress passes bills not the president. The president can sign them into law or veto them. Congress can over-ride a veto with a 2/3 majority. The supreme court can deem a law un-constitutional (there are 2 big constitutional problems with the bill as currently written: 1. The public option and 2. The life tax, that is penalty for not buying into an insurance plan of any kind.) Obama can't even get all of the Democrats to agree on the bill he wants from congress. Wait until next year when we elect a new congress and 1/3 of the Senate as see what happens.
WhiteHawk at 06:52 AM JST - 12th October

USAFdude:

ROTFLMAO! Is that the best you two can do?! "Obama's not King"? Of course he isn't; he's the President of the United States of America, duly and fairly elected by the majority of the American people, not merely some of us.

The majority? Only if 100% of Americans voted, which they didn't. Between those that voted for another candidate and those who didn't vote at all, only some of the American voters were left over. So it was the majority of those who voted, not the majority of all Americans. I knew you would fall into that, and it was all too easy to set you up for it, so consider it a sucker-punch if it makes you feel better. All the same, back to the mat you go.

I've been called worse

Can't say I'm surprised.

Taka313:

The GOP will never support any health care reform.

Not only would the GOP support health care reform, Republicans in congress have proposed their own legislation, as I mentioned in my first post. It just involves tort reform, which the Democrats are highly allergic to, and doesn't support socialized healthcare, which most Americans are allergic to.

It's not that the GOP will never support health care reform, it's that the GOP will never support the federal government's takeover of the healthcare system. It's like saying the GOP would never support world peace because they want to stop Islamic terrorists. The Left redefines words like "reform" and "peace" to suit their agenda, and then make any claim against Republicans they want.
USAFdude at 07:37 AM JST - 12th October

WhiteHawk: Again, I say ROTFLMAO! Spin, spin, spin to your heart's content, but the majority of American voters elected Barack Obama President of the United States. When the President calls for bipartisan work, Congressional members, whether Republican or American, should do their utmost to comply. If there is dissent, fine, but the Republicans should at least entertain the idea of actually providing what the President requests. Otherwise, the Republicans end up an impotent sub-party out of touch with American values and desires, screaming futilely against their own countrymen... oh wait a sec, that's what the Repubs are now!

Moderator: Stay on topic please.
Badsey at 08:54 AM JST - 12th October

The U.S. has always been a Republic and Not a Democracy = there is no >50% rule and even minorities have a voice.

Obama said he would not raise taxes on taxpayers making under $250k --> his health care package is a tax on everyone.
SuperLib at 12:44 PM JST - 12th October

USAFdude: Republicans need to get with the program and acknowledge that health-care reform, particularly a public option, is one of the main reasons America elected Barack Hussein Obama President of the United States.

That's one of the reasons I voted for him, but it doesn't mean I'm going to rubber stamp any plan he puts forward simply because I helped elect him. There are a lot of competing proposals and they need to be debated. So far I've yet you see you even comment on any pros and cons of any proposed legislation. You just go around like some kind of attack dog and tell everyone that Obama won so Republicans should shut up. It's like it's your job or something.

Techall is right. There are a lot of people who are against some of the parts of Obama's plan. Public support isn't as high as it should be. A lot of Democrats in Congress have concerns. So do I. It's not all some right-wing conspiracy to sink anything Obama tries to do.
Sarge at 09:03 PM JST - 20th October

One third of Americans are now concerned that they will lose the health care coverage they have now.