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rajakumar
42 delegates only left for obama to do final run for obama presidency. Future administration should be run by more educated person, 47 year old Obama education's comes out well via his experiments/speeches.
Bush's speeches/experiments are very unpopular, may soon be replaced by a most popular, new rock star like style in US politics.
Any nation will be luckier with Obama like style in political experiments. Think after November, there will be new fresh air in global pol
Politics is an experiment which requires highest education. People should complain when the experiments does not produce good results for US/all nations. Whoever the mandate is given, that is the administration you get.
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rajakumar
Corrections- Think after November, there will be new fresh air in US politics/Global politics.
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Sarge
"We have suffered horribly"
We've all suffered horribly from this idiotic primary campaign.
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buddha4brains
Alphaape, I think you need to get out side and breath in some fresh air and clear your head. Basically what you are saying is that Clinton was responsible for much of the mess around the world and then after 2000 it was the U.N. and that Obama cannot be expected to do much to improve the geo-polital situation. What happened to Bush? Is he too weak and ineffectual to be even mentioned?
As for the Clintoon claim that voters have been robbed, I can only shake my head in disgust. Clintoon and Ilkes beth supported punishing MI and FL 8 months ago. They were party to this mess. To go around crying claiming to be victims is beyond the pale. If the Dems loose in Nov. Clintoon will be the New Nadar.
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Everton2
Indeed we have all suffered under the Bush Administration, where we have endured the rise of Islamic terrorism, America's inept approach to the problem resulting in a new disdain for its geopolitical positioning. The notion that "if you are not with us you are against us" will go down as one of the most moronic and arrogant statements ever to come from a President.
I am sure American foreign policy can be extrapolated to the kind of arrogance and self centered behavior that comes from its individual citizens across the globe. You can spot them anywhere, always the loudest in the restaurant, verbally dishing out how the world should be according to them.
This is the kind of image that Obama will fundamentally transform. He will herald in a new brand of tolerance, a willingness to listen to the other guys position without threats and intimidation. He will dispense with the ridiculous idea that if you don't think like us we will simply refuse to talk with you.
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RomeoRamenII
This is the kind of image that Obama will fundamentally transform. He will herald in a new brand of tolerance
Transform America into europeon nations like germany and france that now lick the boots of their Islamic masters?
You mean transform like that?
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Alphaape
b4b, I am not saying that Clinton is the cause for the world's problems, no more than the people are heaping everything on GWB. I was commenting on the comment that if Obama gets elected, that this will somehow bring a new breath of 'Fresh Air' into global politics. It will change some of the dynamics, mainly the direction that the US may take, but it is still up to individual countries and their commitment to the world that will change global politics. If someone is in the White House that everyone says they like, there will still be people in the world who are still against the US, just like when Clinton was in. That was the point I was trying to make.
As far at the Democratic Party, they made this mess themselves. Everyone was racing to get the spotlight in the elction process, and no one really considered on the long term ramifications of what could happen in the event of the situation we have now. Instead of making a clear cut set of rules and sticking by them, they came up with some convoluted mess and now are trying to fix it on the fly.
To me as a US voter, that let's me know that is what I could expect if this party is to win the majority of the seats and the White House this year. It honestly makes me think if they could lead the country. I know the Rep. are not the final answer, but at least I know what I am dealing with.
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Madverts
"Transform America into europeon nations like germany and france that now lick the boots of their Islamic masters?"
Heh. It's a paranoid obsession.
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RomeoRamenII
"LET EVERY VOTE COUNT" was the dems' slogan in the 2000 election.
My, how times have changed.
Heh .... The same people who made these decisions will now try to convince American voters that the democrats are the best choice for running the nation when they can't even run a presidential primary properly.
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SuperLib
This is an absolute circus and the last thing the Democrats need. The Democrats biggest enemy during election time is their own party. It's amazing to me that they can produce two people that I could support but do it in a way that just makes you shake your head...
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treebeard
Democrats... party of the halves and halves not...
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Sarge
"Obama just 66 delegates away"
Good grief, it looks like the Democrats are actually going to nominate this guy!
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SezWho2
If this is a circus, Hillary is the ringmaster. Michigan and Florida transgressed the clear rules set forth by the Democratic National Committee. Clinton agreed that the Michigan and Florida votes should not count. Now that she needs those votes she is pandering to populism.
So, while in the center ring Obama gathers the legitimate majority of voters, Hillary is asking the audience to watch the clowns enact a tear-jerking version of demagogic democracy. Emmett Kelly on acid.
The DNC's decision was extremely generous to Clinton. It's too bad that Florida and Michigan votes could not be counted in full but Democratic faithful should blame the Florida and Michigan organizations for that. To count the votes in full after a clear agreement that they would not count at all would have been grossly unfair to Obama.
If Hillary wants to take this to the floor in August, she is entitled to do so. However, that action will guarantee a split party as the essential argument for a floor fight is that the primary results do not reflect true voter will. No one comes out of that a winner.
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super delegate
"So, while in the center ring Obama gathers the legitimate majority of voters, Hillary is asking the audience to watch the clowns enact a tear-jerking version of demagogic democracy."
Actually, I think she has the larger number of popular votes.
But you're right about the circus aspect. This squabbling is little more than a sideshow.
Rumor is there 's a video featuring Michelle Obama, "preaching" at Trininty Church, that is really going to shock.
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Sarge
"Shut up! one woman shouted at another"
"You shut up!" the second woman shouted back"
Well, I guess she told her, and she told her!
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capone
you just KNEW that Hilary would not go quietly...the thing is, if she continues to make waves after the delegates are settled she will definitely ruin any future chance she might have at running
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pathat
The rinky-dink electoral system reared its ugly head in the 2000 presidential election, making the U.S. the world`s laughingstock. Now this half-ass, half-vote compromise on the Florida and Michigan primaries once again makes America look so foolish.
Why not count each delegate as 3/5 for the nostalgia factor?
I cannot wait til November to vote!
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USNinJapan2
Oh lord what an utterly retarded party...
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RomeoRamenII
So, obama gets 59 delegates from a state where his name was not even on the ballot. Looks like "every vote counts" no longer matters to the dems.
With its railroading of obama to be its candidate the DNC has yet again managed to find a way to lose. Based on past performance one would expect the DNC to have a losing strategy, but this one of possibly nominating obama trumps the selection of john kerry and george mcgovern combined.
It will be easy to defeat a candidate who managed to cosy up to hordes of anti-American political and religious wack jobs and who has a minimal grasp of U.S. geography and history.
The last hope for a democrat presidency is for Hillary's popular vote lead to be recognized by the DNC. Such is the blockheaded nature of the democrat party factions that a last minute attack of sanity and the nomination of a more electable canddate now seems hardly likely.
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Everton2
I know it is a difficult proposition, a hard cake to eat, a slanted reality in your world, a philosophy that your father continually preached to you all his life now poised to be duly exposed for its uselessness. Listen up! Obama will be President and he will change the world for the better.
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RomeoRamenII
Leave it to the democrats to fix an election in a way that will guarantee they end up losing.
Hee, hee.
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RomeoRamenII
This woman learned that the democrat party is not democratic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACQuZVAE3s
Man, I need bigger bags of popcorn.
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Madverts
ramen,
I hope you aren't going to be a detrimental towards Senator Obama once he is elected CoC.
It will be tantamount to treason...
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RomeoRamenII
The decision by the party’s Rules Committee
Rules? We don't need no stinkin' rules.
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Madverts
Calm down, ramen. Senator Obama will still have a place for even you in his heart when he takes the oath to become CoC.
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RomeoRamenII
First, obama is given more delegates than hillary in two states in which she won the popular vote. Then, Obama is given 59 delegates in a state (Mich.) where he chose to remove his name from the ballot.
How can the "Democratic" party give delegates to someone who didn't run?
This is great theater.
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Madverts
Honestly, calm down. Heh, thank your lucky stars Senator Obama presented himself into the race to trounce the dinasour the Republicans have wheeled out - McCain could have been facing a defeat from a Clinton, instead of a bright, young talent you know.
That really would have been a case of "* 'aint no mountain high enough*"
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adaydream
We democrats will be just fine. Most of the debate and desent I heard on the talk shows this morning is really from the republicans trying to stir up more than is really there.
Sure this is of utmost concern, but it's not a party splitting thing that the republicans want you to believe.
Hell read the post above, just to prove my point.
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RomeoRamenII
adaydream:
You and I both know that a liberal will be occupying the White House next January. I just don't see America moving that far left of center to select a marxist like obama to lead our country. Especailly after what the DNC just pulled.
IMHO, come November the American voters will choose a Vietnam War POW who's spent more than two decades in the Senate over a half-black motivational speaker/snakeoil salesman who was only in the Senate for 143 days before he began running for president.
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Madverts
"select a marxist like obama to lead our country"
And as the Panic continues, the more far-fetched the sliming becomes.
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adaydream
John McCain has served this country so honorably that I can't stand in his shadow.
That being said, this country needs to change. And John McCain's mentality just doesn't lend itself to a world without US at war or the US dominance over others.
I initially was for Hillary, then I've looked at Obama real hard. Either way I'm voting democrat.
I'm tired of the george bush and John McCain vision for America. < :-)
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RomeoRamenII
I'm tired of the ... John McCain vision for America.
Just as I have no interest in watching America become a socialist/marxist state. Hence, the reason I'll be voting Republican.
Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on how America proceeds in January 2009.
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adaydream
I guess so RR.
I hope we're discussing and living the side of socialism sometime in the near future. I would rather be trapped in a world of peace, then a world of war. < :-)
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Sarge
Hillary just won 70% of the vote in Puerto Rico.
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SushiSake3
Sarge, I'm glad you will be voting Obama this time :-)
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super delegate
google Michelle Obama + whitey to see why Hillary refuses to step down.
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Sarge
super D - If that tape really exists, it's going to doom Obama, whether Rove releases it in time for Clinton to get the nomination, or before the general election against McCain. But it might not actually exist.
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SezWho2
SuperLib,
If Clinton has the larger number of popular votes, she has them only because Florida and Michigan votes were invalid. However, invalid votes do not count and there are good reasons for not counting the Florida and Michigan votes here. Rules can be changed, but they ought not be changed in the middle of the game.
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SuperLib
Yeah, the rules were established when the contest was still open to both candidates winning it. Changing the rules and allowing those delegates at this stage in the game would be nothing more than changing the rules to let one person win. The fact is that allowing Hillary to win would create a much, much larger backlash, and that's the last thing the Democrats need right now.
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