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Sarge
More bad news for Obama - gas prices are down to a national average of $2.63/gallon and only $1.99 in Laredo, Texas!
"Bush clone"
Obama continues to run against George W. Bush. He's four years too late.
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USAFdude
Couldn't agree more, Sarge; if Obama had run four years ago, he'd have beaten bush, and we'd be a helluva lot better off than we are now. But, better late than never, especially for us troops. Obama's gonna make a fine commander-in-chief of the US military!
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Sarge
"If Obama had run four years ago, he'd have beaten bush"
With an even thinner resume than he has now? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
"better late than never, especially for us troops"
You must be among the 23% of troops who support Obama ( 68% support McCain ) - unless, of course, Military Times is lying.
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Lieutenant
No, he didn't. Tee hee!
Sarge - Dream on.
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Lieutenant
McCain continues to run against President Obama. He's ten points behind.
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Lieutenant
Really? Do you promise? Me and other childish fact-devoid slogan-repeating supporters will be very upset if you fail to deliver. You're not going to break that promise are you, old man?
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some14some
Because of age-factor, some people may think Bush as McCain 'clone', in any case, further extension of Bush admn will do more harm than any good.
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Lieutenant
Obama yeah! Nothing can stop you now. Except Sarge.
Yes a historical event to unfold. The delusional to watch a different event.
Sorry I was doing the crossword. I'm not really sorry anyway. Maverick.
No, you won't.
Oh my god Obama are you some kind of socialist? I'm not voting for a socialist and I'm keeping my billions thankyou very much.
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USAFdude
Sarge, I defeated your pathetic Military Times argument twice yesterday.
http://www.japantoday.com/category/world/view/bitter-infighting-over-diva-palin-in-mccain-campaign-reported#comment_129133
http://www.japantoday.com/category/world/view/mccain-dismisses-poll-numbers-insists-he-will-win#showallcomments
Game, set, match to the Dude! :D Obama/Biden '08/'12
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Lieutenant
Go Obama! Go team!
P.S. Vote for me in 2016.
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Farmboy
I don't know about "troops," but veterans are not happy with McCain:
http://www.vetvoice.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1973
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Badsey
I was against cloning from the get go -but maybe a few more Obamas would help. -Now that's called spreading the bread Joe.
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SezWho2
Sarge,
Why is that bad news for Obama? And how are jobless people going to buy that gasoline?
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goodDonkey
Gasoline prices down and new housing starts up are both good news for Obama. Good news for America will always be good news for Obama. After all he will be President Elect Barack Obama in just about eight days to the hour here.
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Simon_Foston
I know this is from a British newspaper, The Times of London, but it's owned by Rupert Murdoch who also owns FOX News. I find it quite amusing:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/usandamericas/us_elections/article5019585.ece
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skipthesong
anyone, I mean anyone, who is going to vote for either of these two based on the economy is a fool.
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Altria
C'mon, using the Bush clone line is just lazy.
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LFRAgain
Aww... I'm disappointed with the above article. It left out the best part of McCain's visit to Pennsylvania:
Yes, Sarge's presumptive next Commander-in-Chief. And people say Biden said silly things?
Oh, wait. This article might be perceived as unfairly mean to Senator McCain. Rather than reporting what actually happened, the AP writer should have instead couched McCain’s misstatements in thinly veiled innuendo suggesting McCain is suffering from dementia or Alzheimer’s.
Better yet, the reporter should have suggested McCain’s statements reflected secretly held GOP beliefs that Pennsylvanian’s are indeed racist, and demanded that McCain’s connections to freedom-hating, unpatriotic Liberals be thoroughly investigated, followed with the standard challenge, “What do you have to hide, Mr. McCain?”
Now THAT would constitute responsibile reporting in the eyes of the GOP, rather than what has been reported, namely what's actually happening in the train wreck of John McCain's presidential bid.
But then, for AP to make asinine, unsubstantiated accusations would make the news organization a lot like, well, Sarah Palin and her asinine, unsubstantiated accusations designed purely to throw voters off the trail of the McCain campaign's glaring incompetence.
And the casualties in the McCain camp continue to mount...
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LFRAgain
I couldn't agree with you more. Which is why most people voting for Obama aren't choosing him solely on his economy promises. Obama represents a quantum change from the political climate of the past 8 years, specifically the "You're either with us or you're with the terrorists" idiocy that has helped the Bush administration devastate the standing of the US in the eyes of international partners. This go-it-alone, “we-don’t-need-anyone-else" nonsense has backed the US into a corner – economically, politically, socially – that will take years to get out of.
Americans, when not being browbeaten with how many terrorists lurk just around the corner or whether or not they’re patriotic enough, are simply fed up. America doesn’t just want change. It desperately hungers for it – change that can better be represented by a younger, more culturally representative generation of national leadership that is willing and eager to approach the challenges facing America in the 21st century sans Top Gun photo shoots on carrier decks designed to evoke the false belief that we're in an action movie where only might makes right.
I, for one, am sick to death of this Cowboy crap that has perverted everything I grew up thinking America is and should and could be, and I know I'm not alone in this thinking.
Yes, the economy is a huge weight on the minds of the electorate. But that’s not all there is. Not by half. People were flocking to Obama’s message in droves long before the Stock Market meltdown. People would do well to remember that and devote some time to considering why a man with arguably less executive experience than, say, Sarah Palin, could evoke such strong support in such a short amount of time. There’s something to his message and there’s something significant behind so many Americans wanting to hear it.
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USAFdude
LFRAgain - excellent post. Unfortunately, you're absolutely right that Bush's failures will take years to fix, far beyond the ability of one President in four, or perhaps eight, years.
This raises a concern for me: I wonder whether Americans are ready to support President Obama's changes, no matter how long they may take to reverse Bush's damages, or whether Americans will expect Obama to fix everything in a short time. Of course, we all want change from the Dark Ages that are the Bush Years, be will America be patient enough to allow those changes to come to fruition, given the extent and impact of Bush's inarguable failures?
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Sarge
"Good news for America will always be good news for Obama"
The exact opposite of that is true.
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USAFdude
Prove it, sarge. Since I've already scared you off three times with your Military Times rant, the very least you can do is give me a detailed (i.e. not cut-and-paste or tit-for-tat one-liner) statement as to why you think "Good news for America will always be good news for Obama" is untrue.
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yabits
You can know a person by his enemies. And Obama really seems to repel the dumb, cowardly and dishonest.
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skipthesong
we all want change" Yes, and more so we need change, its the change we don't not or can not see that scares people. Cahnge to what is my question. Sure get rid of the bush stuff, but what are we going to change to? I just yesterday put up a radio clip that proved my point that people really don't know who they are voting for.
I don't want to hear about McCain, why wasn't voted in before and I don't want to hear how great Obama cause I really don't know and there is only one reason I like him. What I want to know from either of these two who by default will be the president as everyone here has made it impossible for other parties to run, is what are we going to change to or change into?
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LFRAgain
That's precisely the kind of garbage most American's are fed up with, the idea that anyone who isn't a good Republican soldier must somehow hope the worst for America. Your either with us or not, right, Sarge?
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Proffessor
Fox News Channel will be mourning on Nov.5
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SezWho2
Sarge,
You keep saying that lower prices at the pump are bad news for Obama. How so? I can't think of any way this can be true without being worse news for stockholders of oil companies. Can you?
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goodDonkey
Well said LFRAgain.
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smithinjapan
sarge: "The exact opposite of that is true."
Your right. 'Bad news for America will be bad news for Obama'.
LFRagain: excellent posts! I agree with you whole-heartedly, and USAFdude raised some excellent and very realistic concerns in response. It IS a HUGE problem that when Obama wins in eight days the people of the US, or at least many of them, will expect an INSTANT change. While SOME things will change spontaneously, like the reputation of the US government in many people's eyes, as well as the standing of the US in the international community, etc., the economy will NOT be fixed for a long time to come thanks to what bush and republicans have done for the past eight years. Sadly, many of these people will immediately begin voicing their anger at things not immediately reversing themselves, and will ultimately blame the new government for the problems of the last.
In fact, for years now some of us on here have been joking that bush is actually one of the smartest people who has been president; he has screwed things up so utterly badly that the next party to come into power cannot POSSIBLY reverse anything right away, and will probably be voted out in 2012 as a result. Now that it's actually a scary possibility that many Americans will side that way in 2012, it's not quite as 'funny' as the joke was then. Oh, there are a number of votes going to Obama for the exact same reason, I have no illusions about that, but the kind of change Obama will bring about in terms of GOVERNMENT and leadership in general, doing away with the bush corruption and cleaning house where bush failed to live up to his promise to do so, are unfortunately not the kind of things that will change the economy for the better in the short term.
As such, I think this is one time I agree with skipthesong 100% ("anyone, I mean anyone, who is going to vote for either of these two based on the economy is a fool.")
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ImperiumMundi
even the obama faithful know they are going to come down to earth with a thud. this will occur before the inauguration. obama's plans to double the capital gains tax will result in a panic sell-off of assets.
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smithinjapan
Imperium: Not quite. The Obama faithful just happen to be less self-deluding than the McCain faithful; meaning they know that things are not going to be fixed immediately despite the gain of having, for a change, a REAL president.
Meanwhile, heaps of Republicans, and even other GOP 'mavericks' have reported all sorts of in fighting and switching sides to support Obama, noting that McCain has no hope, and has gone 'even farther right than imagined'. And before anyone comes on here to suggest that said comment is 'CNN conspiracy' like they did the Palin gone rogue issue (they have since stopped posting), check it out this time.
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LFRAgain
Skipthesong,
That's quite the philosophical question you're seeking answers to and to be honest, I don't know. Nobody can say with any certainty what we will become and I don't think anyone from the Green Party or the host of other smaller, independent parties would be any better qualified to answer that question either, even though your complaint about limited options for voters is entirely valid.
I can, however, say with some confidence what we will NOT become, despite Republican rumor-mongering and vitriol to the contrary: We will not become an Islamic state. Nor will we transform into a communist nation where key free market industries are subjected to nationalization. America will not transform into a dictatorship either. And the United States, whether Obama or McCain is elected, simply will not disintegrate tomorrow, next week, or next year. The checks and balances of the Constitution make such an eventuality highly unlikely.
I sincerely believe the journey to wherever it is we’re going has to be one that respects and includes the greatest number of voices, not just domestically, but globally. Where we ultimately end up depends almost entirely on whether or not we are able or willing to accomplish this together, and that goes for conservatives and liberals.
As it stands today, submitting bogus voter registration forms, while a massive waste of time and money for state election officials who have to weed them out, pales in comparison to the amoral strategies undertaken by Republican campaigners and “volunteers” to influence election outcomes. In particular, I’m taking about the repeated efforts to purge democratic voters from eligible voter rolls. I’m talking about standing outside of polling places, pretending to be election officials, and falsely telling voters that the election is at a different time, on a different day, or at a different place, falsely telling voters that they need A, B, or C forms of ID to voter, when in fact there is no ID requirement, falsely telling voters that they need to pay fees or fines before they are allowed to vote.
Let’s be honest here: The Republican Party tends to represent the interests of wealthier, White Americans who are better educated, better employed, and better informed. The Democratic Party, on the other hand, tends to speak for the less wealthy, less educated, and more-than-likely unemployed. The Democratic Party draws its membership from a broad cross-section of society, with a disproportionately large number of minorities from every category.
Let's be clear here: A large percentage of Democratic voters aren’t particularly well-educated, lacking the time, resources, and incentives to get the information necessary to fulfill their civic duty to make well-informed choices at election time. And the Republican Party, the party of “traditional American values” counts on this and courts this very point in order to win elections.
Deceit and deception to trick voters who don’t know better out of voting? Is that supposed to be the American Way? Not that I've ever heard. It’s a strategy that is so infuriatingly negative and divisive, cynical and hurtful to the social fabric of the nation that I could scream. But hey, anything to win, right?
It shouldn’t matter what one’s education level is, what one’s skin color is, or what one’s income level is in order to participate in the American Democratic process. But to the vast majority of Republicans, it does matter. You can see that it does with every “planned community,” every tax break for corporations, every inch of wall built along the U.S.-Mexican border, every purge of voter rolls, and every GOP volunteer who thinks it’s a great idea to hang out outside of polling places and trick voters into throwing away their votes.
If anything, Republicans should be working together with Democrats, Independents, Greens, and every other political persuasion to ensure that everyone in the nation is informed enough to exercise their civic duties responsibly, and contribute equally to creating a better society for all. Strength in numbers isn’t just an empty phrase. But that isn’t what we’ve seen at polling places during the last two election cycles. In addition to the subterfuge, Republican policies work counter to such a – dare I say it? – patriotic approach to democracy, encouraging initiatives that virtually ensure the poor will remain poor and the uneducated will stay uneducated. One look at such pap as No Child Left Behind and school voucher programs is ample evidence of this.
This continuing cycle of unrepentant selfishness in unilaterally deciding who has a voice in the democratic process is endemic of what Americans are tired off. This absolutely has to change from before we can go forward with anything else. And it’s why so many Americans will take the relatively unseasoned Obama over a political veteran like McCain.
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Sarge
Obama is so far ahead, it seems the only way he can lose is if his supporters screw it up. But his supporters have a weakness - they're Democrats. They are perfectly capable of screwing this up. I'm not sure if Democrats remember how to win a presidential election. The last presidential election they won was in 2000.
Actually, the last nail in McCain's coffin is his brother calling 911 to complain about a traffic jam and then cussing the 911 operator.
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SushiSake3
LFRAgain - thanks for your awesome 10:43 AM post.
It saddens me that people like Sarge, who pretend they have America's best interests at heart, just don't get it.
As I said yesterday, any American who looks back over the last 8 years and who wants more of the same through John McCain needs to have their head examined.
The bush years have devastated America. I'm not even American and even I am shocked and I feel sorry for Americans, in particular US seniors who are panicking seeing their retirement savings evaporate in front of their eyes thanks in no small part to the reckless policies and stunning fiscal mismanagement we have seen in the bush-mccain years.
Obama is bang on the money when he claims McCain is a Bush 'clone.'
It seems mccain's only serious economic policy is to continue - Bush's - tax cuts.
That's about it. Someone tell me where the 'maverick' is in that?
And for those Americans out there who are cheerleading for tax cuts, please stop for a moment and consider the impact of your nearly $10 TRILLION in national debt.
Think about the impact of that for a moment.
Q: where is the money going to come from ?
Despite GWB's ravings for years of being supportive of a strong dollar and continual claims that the 'US economy is strong' - he has just plain and simply been flat wrong.
The US dollar is in freefall and we all know what happened to the US economy - the govt, is now talking of bailing out automakers (GM and Chrysler) for goodness sake, and to highlight just how perverted the bush-mccain brand is, while both voted just this month to bail out and nationalize banks and lenders - ie: adopt socialist practices - mccain has the nerve to call Obama a 'socialist.'
Look in the mirror, mccain.
Any vote for john mccain is a vote wasted - a vote for the continuation of the destruction of a once proud and respected nation in my view.
Obama/Biden '08!
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Sarge
Sushi: "And for those Americans out there who are cheerleading for tax cuts"
Like Barack "95% of American workers will get a tax cut" Obama?
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ptolemy
How about creating a clone named Ocain McBama, that way everyone can be happy. Both parties are the same once elections are over. That 7 in '07 turned into 0 in '07 passed bills, and the Democrats have the majority in congress. Bush turned on Karl Rove when Pelosi and Reid put pressure on him. Despite all the talk before of never betraying "a friend and good advisor".
The Dems and Repubs trash each other in campaigns and when its done eat caviar and sip champagne together and slap each other on the back, all on the taxpayer dime. Its one party Republicratic. One stuffed suit sounds like the other, one is just red state - the other blue state.
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skipthesong
LF: That is quite a post and I can feel your concerns in it. And I appriciate you responding to me.
I have to be honest, I never voted in my life. Not even local. I guess having a dad who was a die hard socialist kind of warped me into more or less not trusting our politicians. I will say one thing, I actually like the idea that Obama is not "as experienced" as people say he but on the other hand, I feel he has too much.
I have concerns on both angles. I have started several business, which two of them have grown beyond my wildest dreams, going so well that on many days I really don't have a thing to do except read mails. The last thing I want is to start paying more taxes. I think I have given a lot by hiring low skilled people and training (yes, many of them are recent arrivals from Cuba but hey that's a product of the location), donating to charities, sponsoring events, and just recently gave a friend of mine a big load to setup a school in L.A to teach English for free. I have however had the experience of being forced to do things mandated by the local governments I have worked for though and they were horrible enough to a point I felt like pulling out of the contracts. I pay quite a bit in Taxes even though I haven't lived in the states for four almost five years now and I am still paying a bundle as well as paying Japanese taxes and I don't get the normal breaks. For all the taxes I pay, take half of that and I can, and prefer, give it to a kid who makes the grade but can't afford college.
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Simon_Foston
Sarge said:
Seeing this reminds me of the famous words of wisdom uttered by that great Republican icon, Ronald Reagan:
"There you go again."
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Sarge
Simon - Exactly, exactly!
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McC72
Very soon we shall see an end to this
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=zfwRb_XKFvA&feature=rec-fresh
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SezWho2
LFRAgain,
Very nice post at 4:03. Very well said. Thinking back to what Powell said, either McCain or Obama would be a good president. I don't know that I agree with him completely, but I am impressed that he said, impressed that he meant it and impressed that he knows these people whereas I do not.
It strikes me as odd that extremists supporters of either candidate tend to the position that the election of the opposing candidate will cement the destruction of America. Believing in the strength and durability of the American system, they seem to have no faith that it can weather a severe testing.
I think we have already weathered such a testing in the last 8 years. And I think we find ourselves off course and need to change. McCain would have us believe that he is a great helmsman (when actually "The Great Helmsman" was a different guy altogether). However, McCain's compass is much the same as that of the soon-to-be previous occupant of the wheelhouse and in my opinion Obama's points to a truer north.
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usaexpat
Any vote for john mccain is a vote wasted - a vote for the continuation of the destruction of a once proud and respected nation in my view.
SushiSake3 A little overblown with hyperbole no? A vote for Obama is a vote for the old liberal democratic platform with a new face. Neither of these guys would be my first choice and McCain has blown his campaign completely. Obama is not a savior for the US economy, Hell he isn't even Clinton whom I would welcome back with open arms. McCain or Obama will have little to do with how the global recession plays out. It's cyclicle and the US will recover. I would support the candidate who would put America's financial house in order and cut spending, I don't see either McCain or Obama as that guy.
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yabits
Funny title of news article recently observed:
"R.I.P. Northeastern Republicans. Cause of death: Barracuda attack."
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ca1ic0cat
Sheesh, can't Obama come up with anything more substanitive to say?
Obama's voting record is so far left of center that what he claims he's going to do is suspect.
About the only thing he has is to compare McCain to Bush and hope people don't actually pay attention.
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Sarge
More bad news for Obama - The Dow has jumped nearly 900 points in the second-biggest gain ever, and Joe the Plumber has endorsed McCain.
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LFRAgain
You still think this is all about the economy? It's that kind of singleminded willful ignorance that illustrates precisely why another four years of the Republican vision of America just can't be.
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SezWho2
Sarge,
You know, don't you, that the Dow has very little to do with the economy, don't you? Measuring the well-being of the economy by the level of the Dow is not much different than measuring your health by the amount of beefsteak in your freezer.
Joe the Plumber's obtuseness in his interchange with Obama was his first--and worst--endorsement for McCain. Joe isn't going to sway people who have previously made up their minds. However, if there is anyone left on the planet who is truly undecided, Joe might scare them into reactivating their childhood propagandization.
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