Obama looks to China and Russia to punish N Korea

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    adaydream

    We're too spread out militarily to even contemplate military action, even if it was dictated, but it's more China and Russia who can get anything substantive done. So Obama sees that we have few options. < :-)

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    Sarge

    "We're too spread out militarily to even contemplate military action"

    I can't understand how someone who seved in the military and has two sons in the military doesn't know that the U.S. is quite capable of taking military action in North Korea, if necessary.

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    adaydream

    We'd have to draw most of our military out of Iraq and Afghanistan to attempt to take on North Korea, just wondering where you'd find the troops to fight such a war.

    Then what country would loan us the money to take on another military action? We've still got a lot of military obligations as it is, and they aren't cheap.

    How would we do it? < :-)

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    OssanAmerica

    Get Japan to pay for it. They paid for Gulf War I. They've got an ever bigger stake in this one.

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    VOR

    I got to hand it to our malleable president, he still found time to play a round of golf yesterday. Good thing Aso found the mettle to show a little outrage yesterday.

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    smithinjapan

    VOR: "I got to hand it to our malleable president, he still found time to play a round of golf yesterday. Good thing Aso found the mettle to show a little outrage yesterday."

    Did he do an interview while playing golf, like when bush told everyone to check out his golf swing after talking about war in Iraq?

    You really ought to think for a minute or so before posting such rubbish.

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    Wolfpack

    President Obama will do a lot of talking but do absolutely nothing.

    Then what country would loan us the money to take on another military action? We've still got a lot of military obligations as it is, and they aren't cheap.

    No money - no problem. Obama will just borrow more and print more. That is what he has been doing since day one in office and he will do a lot more of that before all is said and done. But it will hardly come to blows with North Korea - at least if Obama has anything to do with it. He would happily bomb the Republican party's national headquarters before he dared tangle with North Korea. He is too afraid of the Leftists in his party to take any bold military action.

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    VOR

    hey smith, meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

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    timorborder

    Troops can be found. It is called the draft. To paraphrase Jello Biaffra, just pump up the drug supply, give the kids a couple of months to learn how to use an automatic rifle, and send them on their way. Indeed, isn't this what is already happenening in Iraq and Afghanistan? I remember looking at the lists of KIA that were posted on CNN about a a year ago, and being shocked about how many 19-25 year olds there were.

    On another level, I don't know how seriously the North Koreans would respond in the face of any military action taken by other countries. The North Korean armed forces look pretty disciplined marching through the streets of Pyongyang (which apparently they train for year round), however, they might be a bag of hot air in reality.

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    OssanAmerica

    Troops can be found. It is called the draft.

    True, but Americans won't accept a draft. Not any more anyway. Half of the anti-Bush movement was suburban mothers afraid that GW was going to bring back the draft.

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    adaydream

    Won't be a draft. I'd love to see the draft re-instated. But too many rich kids might get drafted. The draft won't float just for that reason. < :-)

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    teleprompter

    I'd love to see the draft re-instated. But too many rich kids might get drafted.

    Why go to war with a bunch of randomly selected young men when you can fill your armed services with willing volunteers who have, in many cases, already taught themselves much of a soldier's craft?

    By your Lefty logic we should also "draft" people to be police and fire fighters, since these occupations also have relatively high mortality rates. And of course, keeping the Left's obsession with "equal outcomes" in mind, we'd have to ensure women are also drafted to fill an equal number of jobs.

    And then we have a country where 110-lb. women guard killers twice their size or carry from burning buildings a man of your girth.

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    adaydream

    Only 11% of the population ever enlist. These same men and women go to 3 and 4 tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. The suicide rate has exceeded all records for military suicides.

    But we have plenty of vollenteers

    I have never heard of drafting firefighters or police from anybody except you teleprompter. < :-)

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    toguro

    "The Obama Administration has tough words for North Korea, but it's looking to China and Russia to do the heavy lifting to punish North Korea for it's latest nuclear explosion". Good luck with that.

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    DXXJP

    Its funny how some posters believe we can just pull troops out of thin air. It might be more feasible if our troop weren't on a easter egg hunt in the ME for the last 8 years. And then what rotate them out of one hell hole into another. There is about 6 great armchair generals here, maybe we can start there.

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    SuperLib

    Cross-border commerce and aid from China keep North Korea afloat economically. China is North Korea’s biggest source of food imports, fuel aid and diplomatic support. Many of North Korea’s international connections — from air transport to financial links — are also routed through China or Chinese-controlled territories. But dramatically shaving its largesse, Beijing is believed to fear, could lead to nightmarish scenarios. One would see regime collapse and a breakdown of North Korea’s million-man army, with members of the military armed with AK-47s roaming the Chinese countryside as bandits.

    Right. China is the only one who has cards to play against North Korea, but they're also the ones who have the most to win/lose from North Korea's behavior. Just dump the problem in their lap. They don't have a choice.

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    Sarge

    It's funny how some posters believe we would have to "just pull troops out of thin air" in order to deal militarily with North Korea. We have the necessary troops. Without a draft.

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    HonestDictator

    I wish I could say China would be willing to do something about NK, but from my own experience with their society, they will ignore the problem (because it is an ACTUAL problem) and hope it goes away, like some little fluffy cloud... which of course it won't. Until something slaps them in the face asking for some hard actions from China is like talking to a brick wall, until you bring in the demolition ball. Russia on the other hand tries to solve problems before they become too big to handle.

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    adaydream

    Like I said, Where are they going to get the troops Sarge?

    Reservist? They are already serving. Being put on active for the past 6 years.

    More enlistees? Every enlistee they are getting right now is replacing those getting out.

    You can't empty the CONUS bases, because they are supporting the overseas units. They are getting those supplies ready for shipment and maintaining the base.

    Again, with only 11% ever enlisting, where are they coming from Sarge? < :-)

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    grafton

    Maybe you are all forgetting something here. If NK starts (sorry re-starts) the war it will be as it was a UN war. Not an American one. So, where do the troops come from, not Japan of course, but how about Australia, Britain (if they have any & remember they could get away with introducing the draft) Canada, New Zealand. Holland, Sweden, maybe even South Africa & India. Now that would be a fun mix wouldn’t it?

    But you should also keep in mind that with both regular soldiers & reserves NK can put 7 million men under arms, granted they have absolutely no experience of fighting a war & on that level might no be very good soldiers, but they will be the nearest thing we have ever seen to organic robots willing to die for the dear leader. Yes they would eventually lose, but the costs in human life would be outrageous. There would be no way of occupying that country after that with a resentful indoctrinated population. No, total blockade of the country that turns the populous against the leadership is the only answer & that in the process would force China to act.

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    ace100

    I hope they don't fall for it.

    Just like Bush's abuse of 911 was very clear to many here, it was sad to see the world rush after him and let him commit such crimes in our name, while we were given no voice to debate. It seems like only staged debates are allowed, or those who will exclude certain parts of the argument.

    Obama's Brzezinski clan obviously wants to weaken China and Russia indirectly. I don't know why he sees them as threats but maybe there is reason. According to Brzezinski, Obama's foreign policy mentor, controlling Eurasia is the key to global hegemony, so maybe they are just competition.

    At any rate, it is hard to see people supporting these lies thinking they are somehow supporting the American people. Our main media only portrays a certain story. If you read our main and international media, we've never fought a war based on establishing global resources, while our elites write on how it must be done. We are always just protecting freedom and the world.

    “Never before has a populist democracy attained international supremacy. But the pursuit of power is not a goal that commands popular passion, except in conditions of a sudden threat or challenge to the public's sense of domestic well-being. The economic self-denial (that is, defense spending) and the human sacrifice (casualties, even among professional soldiers) required in the effort are uncongenial to democratic instincts. Democracy is inimical to imperial mobilization." (p.35 of The Grand Chessboard, Brzezinski, Carter's adviser who helped him create Mujahadin, evolving into Taliban, who gave Obama top Democratic nomination credentials and boost for past years.

    http://www.wanttoknow.info/brzezinskigrandchessboard

    I would not underestimate these people. Do you know we plotted a terrorist attack to get war with Cuba at one time, that looked like 911, and people were called deluded and foolish for asking if the government did it again?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

    The knowledge is out there but maybe too spread apart for people to see what we're really doing. For how free we are, we can only pull documents many years after they are no longer relevant, and then only some.

    As an American, I say those who support these horrible things supposedly in the name of America do not support me or what I hope for the world. They just created a new Internet Czar to better monitor our information flow.

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