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  • SushiSake3 at 05:06 PM JST - 16th July

    Superlib, you appear to be supporting continued spending on Iraq instead of diverting American money to Americans.

    If I am misreading you, please say so.

  • SuperLib at 06:19 PM JST - 16th July

    Skip.....we can't be sure of that. And as the violence falls I think it helps support a point of view that a civil war will be less likely, which is a good thing. That also helps to bring the troops home sooner. But I still think Iraq needs more time.

    Sushi... You aren't misreading anything, I don't think. You're just ignoring a possible civil war is all. Without taking that information into account your question is reduced to propaganda. But you already know this.

  • Madverts at 06:52 PM JST - 16th July

    "And as the violence falls I think it helps support a point of view that a civil war will be less likely, which is a good thing."

    I'm sorry to say it, but you've more than had your chance at fixing what you broke, despite the many and sometimes comical attempts at laying the blame for the misery caused by the invasion elsewhere. Violence before the surge was at astronomical levels - the surge has soothed the 100 deaths a day syndrome without doubt, but people are still dying every single day with no hope of ever squashing this, like any other guerilla insurgency.

    Asking for more time and pinning the blame for everything on the mythical "al-Qaida in Iraq" has been done. Things aren't getting better and to me at least, the mypoic dream of an Iraqi democracy with ball games, BBQ's and Budweiser seems as demented as ever. The US presence in Iraq is the problem.

    Unless huge gains are made before Senator Obama takes office, and I mean weeks or even months between mutliple suicide bombings instead of days or even hours, then a draw-down and bail-out seems like the only logical solution from this disaster.

  • SuperLib at 08:51 PM JST - 16th July

    Whatever you say, Adverts...

  • Madverts at 09:50 PM JST - 16th July

    "Whatever you say, Adverts..."

    What a fine philosophy you have there :)

    (With apologies to the Toe-cutter, Mad Max)

  • Betzee at 10:30 PM JST - 16th July

    Stop the out of control spending on Iraq and start spending on Americans.

    If we weren't spending USD 3 billion a week in Iraq, we would be borrowing less and this administration would not have run up a USD 5 trillion debt to be paid off by future taxpayers. They are the ones upon whom the burden will fall; they will not have the option of spending on America, no matter how great the need, since they will have to pay off the debt accumulated under the present leadership. Some people are comfortable with that, others see it as a gross example of taxation without representation since they had no say in the policies this administration pursued.

  • Madverts at 10:32 PM JST - 16th July

    Really Betzee?

    I was told it was all the fault of the democrat controlled congress, right down to the loss of my car keys.

  • Betzee at 10:40 PM JST - 16th July

    “Karzai has not been the strong leader we had hoped he would be,” he said.

    McCain cannot have it both ways. If you want a strong leader, install a dictator. Any democratically elected leader of a tribalized society is necessarily going to be weak given that governance is perceived as a zero-sum game by the constituents those officials were elected to represent.

    Adverts,

    The one I enjoyed was blaming Bill Clinton for not approving drilling in ANWR. Then how could GWB have campaigned he could "jawbone" OPEC to lower prices?

  • Madverts at 10:47 PM JST - 16th July

    Well, Bill Clinton did give birth to Ousama bin Laden and of course, flew one of the planes into the twin towers (with Saddam Hussein obviously flying the other), so incubator babies aside, if Bill Clinton hadn't signed the regime change in Iraq bill, Bush Co wouldn't have been forced into invading and we wouldn't be in this quagmire.

  • Sarge at 10:58 PM JST - 16th July

    How many troops is Obama going to commit to the invasion of Pakistan?

  • Madverts at 11:08 PM JST - 16th July

    Note to Sarge:

    Only pick on third world countries.

    Heh, and even then some....

  • adaydream at 01:40 AM JST - 17th July

    Betzee - If we weren't spending USD 3 billion a week in Iraq, we would be borrowing less and this administration would not have run up a USD 5 trillion debt to be paid off by future taxpayers

    $4Trillion of this went directly to the richest 1% of the population. It wasn't even wasted on the war. And we still have to pay it back. Thanx george for the screwjob.

    But the republicans would have you believe that it's the democrats who caused this deficit. < :-)

  • SuperLib at 04:07 AM JST - 17th July

    Only pick on third world countries.

    You mean follow Europe's model? ;)

  • Madverts at 04:39 PM JST - 17th July

    You've already tried it more than once.

  • Sarge at 04:42 PM JST - 17th July

    We don't pick on third world countries, we help them.

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