Obama, McCain reach out to Christian voters

Sunday 17th August, 04:26 PM JST

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sdmsec at 11:38 AM JST - 19th August

*"sdmsec - "Obama seems to think all Americans (regardless of personal belief, personal financial circumstances, etc.) should be forced at point of gun to give to the needy."

sushi - I'd like to see you prove that wild claim....."*

Refuse paying your federal taxes for a while. First, you'll be deprived of your property. Then they'll ask you to kindly surrender your freedom. If you refuse the offer the "law" will show up with sufficient force to deprive you of your freedom.

Taxes that are collected from citizens via force (again, try not paying them and you'll soon find out taxes ARE collected by force) and are then transferred to other citizens (and in some cases non-citizens) don't represent charity but socialism (an ugly canker to any society).
skipthesong at 12:39 PM JST - 19th August

sdmsec: you know, you bring up a good point. How come no candidate brings up better and more humane way of getting taxes? Man, you go away a lot longer, even if you really can't pay, than if you killed someone.

If librels are supposed to be open minded and accept new, then please come up with a better tax system. If conservatives are supposed to be of the old, then why don't they go backwards and go back to the days when taxes made sense?
sdmsec at 01:15 PM JST - 19th August

In a democratic republic such as the U.S. the most "just" tax would be either a poll tax (taxation in direct proportion to representation) or a citizen tax (divide the national budget by the number of citizens and send a bill to every citizen). I can't see that any other form of taxation is justifiable if every citizen has "one vote" and has "equal rights".

Regardless of the "form" of taxation it's immoral to forceably take the possessions of one citizen and hand it to another citizen. Most of us recognize this behavior as "theft". Clearly, tax assessment is needed for certain things as set forth in the Constitution (i.e. common defense). However, to take from citizens generally and give to other individual citizens directly is corrupt. FYI this also occurs in the form of corporate welfare. Look at what Obama is promising in his TV ads - I will create 7 million new jobs in the "new" energy sector. In other words, he will "advantage" particular industries and companies with wealth taken from the citizens in general. Watch everyone crowd to kiss the kings hand!

As for the comment about "liberals" I hope to gain some common ground with the liberals over the politics of social issues. I think the BIG federal government should have its powers (every branch) trimmed to what the Constitution allows. That way the more "liberal" states can live life as they see fit, and the more "conservative" states can do likewise.
skipthesong at 01:31 PM JST - 19th August

That way the more "liberal" states can live life as they see fit, and the more "conservative" states can do likewise" Man, please run for office! Finally, the most sensible thing said. Will O allow that? Will McC? At the moment, it is choose where you want to live but not live as you want!

Yes, I agree you and when I hear people say the US need to be more generous, all I can think of how many people can't even feed their children yet when he/she gets their long desired and much need job after a long time being out of work, the first thing they notice is what on their pay check? Tax taken. I haven't notice either candidate talk more in-depth about the poverty in the US. O talks about black poverty and McC doesn't talk about it all. I am more than willing to pay taxes but when I am not even living in the US and yet I still must pay taxes while paying Japanese taxes, I can't help but get frustrated when I hear talk about "We need to be more generous and if you look in the bible....." all I want to do is throw up.
sdmsec at 01:57 PM JST - 19th August

Man, please run for office!

I need to give credit where it's due: the idea of eliminating so many political hot-button, social issues by eliminating the unconstitutional powers of federal judges, congressmen, and the president comes from Ron Paul. If you haven't read it yet, I'd highly recommend "The Revolution" by Ron Paul. While I don't agree 100% with Mr. Paul's views I learned a lot and have changed my opinion of many things. Either way, it made me think, which is a good thing.
skipthesong at 09:50 PM JST - 19th August

I really haven't come into contact with Ron Paul. I heard he's a racist and would like someone like me in the states.....
keech2 at 10:22 PM JST - 19th August

skip,

The 2007 Pew Research survey puts the percentage of atheists/unaffiliated at 12%. Personally, I believe that religion has absolutely no place in US politics. If the Founding Fathers saw the way these people pander to religion they would probably be ashamed of the country they started. wolfpack, please read Susan Jacoby's book Freethinkers to get an idea about how much of a role non-theists played in the civil rights movement.
sdmsec at 11:20 PM JST - 19th August

skip,

I don't know anything about Ron Paul being a racist - a term which people seem to throw around casually here on JT. Nothing in the book I recommended would suggest it.

Anyhow, as I said earlier, I don't agree 100% with his views in the book, but it's still a great read as it will make you consider "why" you hold the views you do at a deeper level.
urufuls at 08:09 AM JST - 20th August

seansezso

I just want to know how Obama answered this question.

Obama never actually answered the question, which was "When do a baby's human rights begin?"

Instead he side-stepped it and proceeded to justify his belief in pro-choice or abortions. He could have elaborated and said that he didn't believe a fetus had rights.
OhioDonna at 04:07 AM JST - 21st August

As a Christian, I can say I am not comfortable with either one of them. The presidential candidate I was more intune with dropped out months ago. I am having a difficult time with the choice of candidates. I can only hope that the VP will aid in my decison. If I were to vote today, I would leave it blank.
DanManjt at 09:08 AM JST - 21st August

Ohiodonna

Why are you uncomfortable with the candidates?
skipthesong at 01:06 PM JST - 21st August

actually, abortion shouldn't even be an issue at the presidential level as far as I am concerned. There are far too many issue floating at the level that shouldn't be and this religious stuff is one of them.

Leave abortion as a woman's right but teach them that its not the best way to deal with an unwanted pregnancy if you don't like it. Also, as a poster once actually shut me up about it, if its a woman's right to keep or not to keep then a guy should have a right to pay or not pay for a child.

At issue, I would have been very happy if both candidates just skipped it! That would have impressed me. But, lately again, I am disappointed by both candidates.
OhioDonna at 11:11 PM JST - 21st August

Ohiodonna

Why are you uncomfortable with the candidates?

For a number of reasons. For example: McCain has more experience with the military while Obama has more experience with racial inequality. One is older and one is younger. This is just two examples among many. For me to make my choice one of them will have to have someting that stands out above the other. So far that has not happened for me and I am running out of time. In some ways their words are similar. The termonology use in their speeches is different yet means the same thing if one listens intently to what they have to say.
ProudKoreanGuy at 12:55 AM JST - 22nd August

Anyone who thought that religion, i.e., Christianity, and politics don't mix in America just doesn't know real America. It's always been that way, just like it has been with race and politics.
OhioDonna at 12:03 AM JST - 23rd August

If one is a part of a belief system then the chosen lifestyle should impact everyday living including politics. I do not belong to a group that prefers one candidate over another nor do I not campaign for a particular candidate or try to influence others. I work at the polls on voting day so I have learned to keep my opinions to myself.