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Obama, McCain reach out to veterans

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    rjd_jr

    McCain absolutely has no clue to what he is talking about. He wants to have his cake and eat it too, or whatever the phrase goes like, playing both sides of the fence in an obvious misguided pandering attempt to all sides. Acts like he disagrees with Bush administration handling, yet claims military commanders need more time. Or something. This guy is a disaster, the choice is clear: Obama 08.

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    RomeoRamenII

    I believe we can be unified in service to a greater good.

    Yep, in obama-o-vision all Americans should either work for the government, or be on the government dole. We'll have a socialist utopia where there is no private industry nor any incentive to create one.

    Behold, the brilliance of the Chairman Obama.

    RR

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    adaydream

    Some posters have mastered the English language and still make no sense in what they say.

    John McCain wants to figure out some way to make the service person serve as many years as possible before they receive any benefits.

    He's preaching about increasing the size of the military, when they can barely meet their recruiting quotas right now. With this voluntary military they can only beat the bushes of the poor so far. They are even signing up felons to make their goals.

    But under John McCain, unless you serve some greater service then 3 years, he wants to severly deter the college education the service man or woman has earned.

    If the military wasn't into such a stupid war, then they might be able to keep the enlistment levels up.

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    skipthesong

    John McCain wants to figure out some way to make the service person serve as many years as possible before they receive any benefits." I don't think that is the case. I think what he is saying is that they need a better way to retain people.

    He's preaching about increasing the size of the military, when they can barely meet their recruiting quotas right now. With this voluntary military they can only beat the bushes of the poor so far. They are even signing up felons to make their goals." That is completely false. If you are single, with a rank of E-4 in for at least two years, you are making quite a bit for someone with out a college degree.

    They are even signing up felons to make their goals." What is wrong with taking a young person who probably had nothing to begin with and putting him in an environment where will need to learn responsibilities and meet with others who may have been even less fortunate than he? Besides, they aren't bringing killers. Most of the felons are at the level of burglary, grand theft, or assault because they were gang banging. With your logic, you would instead put these guys on the street back with their gang and put them on a welfare system. I heard they used to give young guys choices such as three year military or three years jail..

    Lastly, military was never a strong point for the Dems. Clinton knocked the military down in size, before him, Carter was cutting too. Now, they want do something? Obama stated that VA hospitals are in bad shape and they are, but they were in very bad shape for a long time, why didn't anyone do anything then?

    What they are doing is playing politics. Only because a fail VA system has come out to the public do they want to do something. If it never came up, they wouldn't be doing a damn thing - neither party.

    If the military wasn't into such a stupid war, then they might be able to keep the enlistment levels up." Is it really up to you to decide which war is right or wrong? There were many people who said we should never have gotten into WWI and WWII. What if we didn't get involved in Korea? There would be no ROK. Vietnam? I bet if we won it or had South Vietnam survived, people wouldn't be saying it was wrong.

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    RomeoRamenII

    Skip,

    Global liberals fawn over the rantings of Karl Marx, Stalin, Fidel Castro, Mao, Kim Il Sung or Hugo Chavez.

    obama's "service to a greater good" comment is the same tired socialist/communist revolutionary mantra that's been vomited by leftists for nearly 100 years. It is no coincidence that Che Guevera posters were hanging in his campaign office.

    RR

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    adaydream

    If we weren't in war, they would never consider enliosting the felon waivers, but because there are so many who won't serve, they can't keep the enlistment quotas.

    It's the poor that are enlisted. The rich have too much to do, like college and making money. Heaven forbid serving their country. But hey, there are enough poor and homeless to fill the ranks, right?

    But it's just fine with McCain if he can ranson a college education for more service. Three years isn't enough.

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    Taka313

    Skip,

    obama's "service to a greater good" comment is the same tired socialist/communist revolutionary mantra that's been vomited by leftists for nearly 100 years.

    For the record, "service before self" is also one of the U.S. Air Force's core values.

    I wonder if ramen thinks the Air Force is a socialist/communist revolutionary group.

    Taka

    P.S. Cue frothing, ridiculous and off-topic response in 3...2...1...

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    skipthesong

    If we weren't in war, they would never consider enliosting the felon waivers" No, people have been driven right up to boot/basic training with hand cuffs on them.... again, you are making false statements.

    It's the poor that are enlisted" No one is putting a gun to their heads, they don't have to enlist. Mind it, it was Charles Rengal, a very respected Democrat, who proposed the possibility of a draft. If that had happened, it would have put them in dire straights with the public at this time and that would have made your statement a bit better.

    I guesss the moral of the story is do the best you can do to be rich!!

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    skipthesong

    Again, I get you people. So hyped and so gullible. Do you all honestly believe that a politician from either party really gives a s**t? If so, why the hell hasn't something been done to the VA a looooong time ago?

    In the last two days, we have watch/heard all of a sudden how they are campaigning with God, here because of their faith, here because there is change they can believe in.....

    I urge all to watch Jericho, if it is still on.... that is what the US needs.

    As for the GI Bill, The GI bill has how many changes since the 80's? Before that there was VEAP, and before that there was a what ever GI Bill, then a "New" GI Bill, then a Montgommary GI bill, etc...... The old one worked for me, my brothers, and my father as well as many friends.. You don't see Police and Firemen getting anything and they face danger just as much and they really don't have a 'years" of peace-time.

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    RomeoRamenII

    13,

    Strange comment. the "service" you speak of is a service to protect America from our enemies -- foreign and domestic -- like those before and after me have performed with pride; not to a retread communist/socialist manifesto which obama and you embrace.

    RR

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    adaydream

    Skipthesong, prove that.

    No, people have been driven right up to boot/basic training with hand cuffs

    That's one falsehood you can't prove.

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    Sarge

    "McCain distanced himself from the Bush administration"

    Bush ( at some event where McCain is not there ): If John McCain was here, he'd probably be trying to keep his distance.
    xD

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    skipthesong

    adaydream: prove it? What do you want me to do, get a photo for you.

    Why don't you rent "Tribes" or "Boys in Company C"! They have been doing this for years!

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    skipthesong

    hey, this is not a bad idea:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4935289

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    Madverts

    "Republican John McCain distanced himself from the Bush administration’s handling of Iraq"

    Heh. Finally.

    McCain will be able to watch the US withdrawl from the diaster Bush Co made in Iraq from the comfort of an exclusive retirement home.

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    super delegate

    McCain's distinguished service in Vietnam and the fact that his son has served in Iraq greatly distances him from Bush.

    No need to even mention his Dem rival.

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    Madverts

    Uhm, heh, super-d...,

    "McCain's distinguished service in Vietnam and the fact that his son has served in Iraq greatly distances him from Bush."

    Didn't help Kerry much.

    But I'm sure McCain will be comfortable eking out his final days watching the democrats try and sort out the disater Bush Co caused, and of course, all the war vets that will be going loopy.

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    super delegate

    "Didn't help Kerry much."

    So you agree character does make a difference...

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    Madverts

    "So you agree character does make a difference..."

    Are you kidding?

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    adaydream

    Skipthesong I was a Marine Corps drill Instructor, successful tour, and I know from experience that recruits aren't brought in handcuffs.

    The military doesn't want recruits that don't want to be there. They would be more trouble then the military wants.

    Maybe a recruit goes AWOL and is brought back for processing for discharge, but recruits are never brought to training in handcuffs.

    Because of the war, recruits are/were enlisted from courts. But, it was an agreement, I'll go to the military instead of prison. In those cases the recruiters take the new enlistee to the processing center and they are intergrated with everybody else. "No handcuffs."

    So Skipthesong, yes I want a photo.

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    usaexpat

    At first blush I'm going to say that McCain has a much better chance of getting vetran's support.

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    adaydream

    When I got out in 1984, I was still under the old GI Bill. Not allowed to get into the VEAP Program.

    I was allowed 1 1/2 years of the old GI Bill, period.

    Not allowed VEAP and the old GI Bills existance was waining and I didn't receive the benefits I was promised.

    No the GI Bill needed to be reworked for the ones who volunteer to proptect us. They are willing to serve, we have to be willing to protect their benefits.

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    WhiteHawk

    rjd_jr:

    He wants to have his cake and eat it too, or whatever the phrase goes like, playing both sides of the fence in an obvious misguided pandering attempt to all sides. Acts like he disagrees with Bush administration handling, yet claims military commanders need more time.

    I disagree. McCain could clarify that military commanders need more time due to the Bush administration's early mishandling of the war.

    RomeoRamenII:

    Yep, in obama-o-vision all Americans should either work for the government, or be on the government dole.

    Obama just doesn't want American's signing up for military service. Kinda funny how Obama is asking Americans to work, when he hasn't worked a single day in his entire life.

    adaydream:

    With this voluntary military they can only beat the bushes of the poor so far. They are even signing up felons to make their goals.

    Unless I'm mistaken, several Senators and Congressmen have sons and/or daughters serving in Iraq now, including McCain. Duncan Hunter's son ran for Congress from Iraq (and won).

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    adaydream

    Whitehawk, that's just great that a few senators and congressmens sons and daughter have enlisted.

    That's a small fraction of the rich who have enlisted. I'd challenge you to show where the rich even make up 1% of the enlistees.

    But they relaxed their standards enough to accept over 2000 felons the past couple of years.

    http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/images/chart1_large.gif

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    RomeoRamenII

    I was allowed 1 1/2 years of the old GI Bill, period.

    Not sure which "old GI Bill" you were under, but when I retired from the Army after 22 years in service in 1992 I was under the Vietnam GI Bill, which paid me 1 1/2 months for each month I served ($466 a month) from 1970 - 1977 (78 months total) with no time limit set. I occassionally get letters from the VA reminding me I still have 14 months left to use.

    Mr. McCain is on the right course by advocating increased monetary entitlements based on length of service.

    As president of the United States, I will not let you down

    heh .... don't expect seeing any American Legion, AmVets, VFW, or other veterans organizations turning out enmasse for obama (if you don't think those are large voting blocks in America, think again). Perhaps obama is more like john f. kerry than john f. kennedy; getting more media hype than he deserves.

    RR

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    adaydream

    I got out with 13 Years, 7 months in 1984. I received about the same amount as you did each month for a year and a half. I didn't retire from active duty.

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    WhiteHawk

    adaydream:

    That's a small fraction of the rich who have enlisted. I'd challenge you to show where the rich even make up 1% of the enlistees.

    Excuse me. I thought you were trying to suggest that the military is comprised exclusively of poor people or prisoners who have no other choice but to volunteer for service. That was the goal of your exaggeration, was it not?

    Still, it doesn't change the fact that McCain's son is serving in Iraq. Does Obama or Clinton have any offspring serving? Has Barry served? Michelle? Bill? Hillary? Yet they hope that veterans will relate to them?

    Sniper fire, indeed...

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    adaydream

    Nope, none of those people have children in the military. Just like bush, chaney or rumpsfeld.

    I have 6 children. Two sons are still in the Navy and Air Force, both almost ready to retire, a daughter honorablely discharged and a son-n-law in the Marine Corps.

    We've done our part and I don't want any of them to get screwed. I get tired of hearing crap from posters who have never served.

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    unscrejects

    Hey was McCain's sidekick - Joe "I'd sell my own grandmother if the price was right" Lieberman, ever in uniform?

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    RedMeatKoolAid

    When was Barack Obama in uniform? I get tired of hearing crap from politicians who have never served.

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