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Yes, the great speaker of the century...either a teleprompter or a bunch of "ummm's"...his wife is a better speaker...I can't wait!

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Ok, last round of the DNC, let's start this circus. His majesty will take the podium. Let's see him spin, spin, spin and let's see how he plans to get the 8.3% unemployment down and create jobs, jobs, jobs in the PRIVATE sector. I got my popcorn and beer, this is better than watching the 3 Stooges. OH, and I hope this guy doesn't keep yelping on Bush and take personal responsibility and stay humble, I doubt it, but I can dream, can't I.

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Get ready to hear a lot of excuses and blame shifting for his failed Presidency.

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I heard nothing substantive yet. Nothing about the economy and the typical Hollywood crowd coming out and talking about stuff no one cares about. Still waiting and starting to fall asleep. Let's see what Biden will try to spin. :-)

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Yawn, I an not going to watch it.

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Nice to see the rightwingers out in force already on this site. I can honestly say I've never criticised a speech by anyone BEFORE I have heard it. Quite a gift.

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After Clinton hammered the GOP yesterday, he revealed what most of us already knew and what conservatives continue to deny - Ryan/Romney simply don't have a plan.

Oh wait - they do!

Rob the middle class and enrich the rich, shaft those on MediCare, students, strip rights from their own women and support the terrorist nation of Israel - that's right - the state their holy book says is important - and the same place their same holy book claims that zombies walked through (Matthew 27 v52)!

Empty Chair 2016!.

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Obama mentions about two different paths for America, one is his with broken promises, divided, highest deficit ever, 8.3% unemployment, weaken America.... and more time to better future? Really! do the math, for words are cheap and his record indicates the same scenario part II. He re-stated the blame game of other path as no good even before it starts, he claims. The Obamabots with emotional attachment would support his second term and carry on "hope & change" part II. Really, for better future of America, a new path of reducing the deficit, dealing with entitlement issues, restoring American strength and credibility is worth considering.

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Here is a fun fact for ya

Unemployment rate in 1980 (end of Carter Presidency): 7.5% Unemployment rate in 1983 (Reagan's first term):10.1% wow..that's much higher than when he started

Let's look at some of Regan's other numbers shall we?

1981-01-01 7.5 1981-02-01 7.4 1981-03-01 7.4 1981-04-01 7.2 1981-05-01 7.5 1981-06-01 7.5 1981-07-01 7.2 1981-08-01 7.4 1981-09-01 7.6 1981-10-01 7.9 1981-11-01 8.3 1981-12-01 8.5 1982-01-01 8.6 1982-02-01 8.9 1982-03-01 9.0 1982-04-01 9.3 1982-05-01 9.4 1982-06-01 9.6 1982-07-01 9.8 1982-08-01 9.8 1982-09-01 10.1 1982-10-01 10.4 1982-11-01 10.8 1982-12-01 10.8 1983-01-01 10.4 1983-02-01 10.4 1983-03-01 10.3 1983-04-01 10.2 1983-05-01 10.1 1983-06-01 10.1

Wow... it doesn't look like even Reagan had a good record on unemployment during his first term. He had to raise taxes 11 times to stabilize the economy! Moral of the story: tax the rich and the corporations...something that Romney will not do if elected POTUS

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his campaign, fearing thunder, cancelled plans to hold the speech before 70,000 people outdoors.

Heh, finally, change I can believe in:

Democrats: Rain won't move big Obama speech indoors

Denver Business Journal by Mark Harden Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008

Planners of the Democratic National Convention, meeting with hundreds of media representatives Tuesday, said presidential candidate Barack Obama will deliver his nomination-acceptance speech at Invesco Field at Mile High come rain or shine.

http://www.bizjourna...6.html?page=all

RR

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Clinton's speech was very good. I enjoyed the yarn. There's no doubt he's a gifted orator. But he was preaching to the choir at the DNC. Conventions are like that. But to hear Bill tell it, it sounds like the economy is revving up and gaining speed with all the millions of new jobs. Somehow, though, the math doesn't add up. Maybe some of the figures are not quite accurate?

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ALREADY MAILED MY ABSENTEE BALLOT

I'm a Republican and I will vote for Obama.

He helped out alot of military and wounded warriors.

Romney's a empty suit, etch a sketch, NO PLAN, hiding his tax returns, fake Ken doll, billionaire, annoying kiss azz, idiot & FOOL.

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I'm a Republican and I will vote for Obama.

I was also a republican...until they lost their minds...now a proud independent whose smart enough to know what candidate will take us forward!

O/B 2012!

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The RNC and the DNC couldn't be more different.

The RNC showcased modern American conservatives for what they really are:

Cold, angry, divisive, anti-America and against virtually everyone who isn't like them. They also support a holy book that features a god who says 'don't kill' and yet murdered millions, commanded infanticide and murder of pregnant women, and, committed genocide. Then, to top it all off, many of them are against those who don't bieve in the same murderous deity.

in stark contrast and despite their shortfalls, the DNC is showing democrats and Liberals to be inclusive and tolerant.

Amazingly, Liberals actually think gays, lesbians and immigrants are people too.

The best the RNC could offer was Ann Romney. I actially really liked her speech and thought she was mjc more eloquent than her husband.

Until I saw Michelle Obama - and saw a whole new, higher and better class of person - someone who actially lived a real life and who knows what it's like to be poor.

The choice in this election is clear. Vote Ryan/(Romney) for a re-run of the disastrous Bush years, or Obama/Biden for continued growth.

Handing the floor over to those angry conservatives......

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Nice to see the rightwingers out in force already on this site. I can honestly say I've never criticised a speech by anyone BEFORE I have heard it. Quite a gift.

No, but you did after, you are a partisan and that's fine, but don't criticize conservatives if they feel that Biden and Obama are going to beat around the bush (seriously, no pun intended) on the most seriously issue that matters, THE ECONOMY! Whether you wait for the speech or after the speech, it doesn't matter. Liberals do it and Conservatives do it. I don't believe that Biden and Obama have any plans on how to fix the economy, period! It's NOT the top priority for them. Abortion and Gay rights issue is number one for Liberals.

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I have been Democrat and I will vote for Obama.

Yes, Obama helpled out a lot of military family and wounded soldiers. These wars were always started by Republicans, and I did not hear one ward from NRC last week.

Folks,the Middle Class American troops of "Truth" will be marching into Washington to guard that "Chair" that has been taken 4 years ago by Obama who always stands up for wounded soldiers and US Military Active personnels who are still fighting in Afganistan.

Thank you, President Obama. Yes, together we will be moving FORWARD, not back.

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I am with Whiskey, I already sent in my overseas ballot and it was for 4 MORE YEARS, OBAMA and Biden all the way!

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BGood - 'Really, for better future of America, a new path of reducing the deficit, dealing with entitlement issues, restoring American strength and credibility is worth considering.'

Haha. You're obviously not talking about the GOP.

Ryan/(Romney) want to cut taxes. That's like cutting your paycheck.

Is cutting your paycheck going to reduce any debt you have?

No. Cutting taxes will immediately ensure there's even less money to pay off debt.

Ok, cutting taxes may spur growth. But bush cut taxes in 2002 and we got a recession.

Clinton raised taxes and there were 4 surpluses in a row and a decade of American prosperity.

And even if Ryan/(Rommey) cut taxes, they'lloakso gut entitlement plans, social programs and subsidies, meaning people will have to pay MORE just to survive.

It's reasons like this that are why I say the GOP is anti-America/Americans.

Leave the middle class alone.

Slash defense instead. But republicans are too gutless to go through with that, even though many of them - including Paul Ryan - voted FOR the $1 trillion cut to the DoD budget.

Go figure!

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@Mirai

Wow... it doesn't look like even Reagan had a good record on unemployment during his first term. He had to raise taxes 11 times to stabilize the economy! Moral of the story: tax the rich and the corporations...something that Romney will not do if elected POTUS

Sorry, different times, different economy. Can't make that kind of comparison

Obama inherited

AAA Credit Rating 7.8% Unemployment $1.81 Gas/Gallon $10 Trillion Debt 2 Wars 26 Weeks Unemployment Benefits Annual Budget

What we have now under Obama

AA Credit Rating 8.3% Unemployment $3.69 Gas/Gallon $16 Trillion Debt 99 Weeks Unemployment Benefits NO Annual Budget

But we are better off, Dems can spin this anyway they want, but facts are facts, but I fully digress!

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Obama prepares for big convention address

Gotta a feeling when the TV ratings are released tomorrow morning, more Americans will have watched a great Swing State matchup (Pitt v. Cincy) on ESPN than sit through yet another Obama telepromptered speech.

RR

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...sit through yet another Obama telepromptered speech.

Heh. Had to explain to a student what a Teleprompter was when she noticed it during Ryan's speech. He in particular needs one so as to keep track of his lies (it's easier for Romney; he just needs to recall what he stated a decade ago and then say exactly the opposite).

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I'm sorry, I dont like either canadate, Obama or Romney, What's Ron Paul doing these day's?

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RR - "sit through yet another Obama telepromptered speech."

ha ha! Romney uses a teleprompter too.

Anyway, do you expect ANYONE to be able to memorize a 5,000 word speech.

Really? With expectations like that it's no wonder you're always so down on life.

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8.3% Unemployment

91.7.% of Americans still have jobs. President Obama stopped US going into the 2nd Great Depression when he took office. When the other side (GOP) still does not realize is that they are against Americans who have jobs

FOUR MORE YEARS!

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after Clinton's speech, stick a fork in it. At least romney can afford a lavish consolation party. AND he wont have to hide his taxes anymore

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@global

Sorry, leave the spin alone. Obama is still lagging when it comes to our nations greatest.

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-is-struggling-to-reach-out-to-veterans-2012-9

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the DNC is showing democrats and Liberals to be inclusive and tolerant.

Yeah, all the loud booing over the words "God" and "Israel" was witnessed by the entire world. The democrats: The religion of peace (as long as you agree with them).

Until I saw Michelle Obama - someone who actially lived a real life and who knows what it's like to be poor.

Laughable nonsense. Voters in November will remember that as First Lady, Michelle Obama has been living high on the hog while the rest of this nation has endured through a recession brought on by her husband. Voters will remember in 2010 -- when most Americans had to take "staycations", she and her entourage partied hard on the Spain coast on a lavish, multi-million dollar vacation. Also later that summer, both she and her hubby encouraged Americans to visit the Gulf coast after the Deepwater Horizon oil spill to prompt up tourism in the region. Meanwhile, staying true to their convictions, they promptly jetted off to an exclusive part of Maine for their own summer holiday. All of this, BTW, on the taxpayers' dime.

RR

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Anyway, do you expect ANYONE to be able to memorize a 5,000 word speech.

Not anyone, but the U.S. media says Barack is not anyone. Heh, to them, he's the smartest guy in any room.

RR

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Bill Clinton -- a known adulterer -- and Sandra Fluke -- a 23 ... er, I mean 30 year old woman who wants voters to pay for her swinging lifestyle because she can't afford birth control pills -- speaking to America on the same night. Heh, talk about the DNC sending a mixed message.

RR

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Obama says (in his speech) that he wants to lead Americans on a better path. Too bad the voters will lead him down the "hana michi" path on November 6th...

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Correction

@global, let's look at the numbers a bit more closely, shall we?

8.3% unemployment

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/04/missing-workers-44-millio_n_818314.html

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The score:

Demcocrats - 2012 Republicans - 0

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@Bass I'll criticise anyone, Republican or Democrat, for criticising a speech they have yet to hear! By the way, I completely disagree with your next comment.

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The timing of these conventions could actually be a decisive factor in the coming Democrat victory.

Both parties had their conventions planned.

BUT, because the Republicans held theirs first, it gave the Dems all the ammo they needed to tweak and tailor their messages and speeches to not just present their case for re-election, but to bury any and all points the Republicans made the week before.

Like 2 hits with 1 kick.

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Correction

@global, let's look at the numbers a bit more closely, shall we?

8.3% unemployment

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/04/missing-workers-44-million818314.html

You do not have to bother about this old stats. Tomorrow, the unemployment rate will be much better.

Look at the reaction of the Wall Street today. Wow, the market is now over 13000 Obama in Washington from 6500. Bush was in Washington. The global market is very optimistic about America because the market knows Obama will be remain in Washington. We Americans are not quitters. If we are knocked down, we get up. If we are knocked down twice, we will get up twice. We work harder, but smarter.

America will be moving FORWARD, not back.

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But the Republicans' complete lack of ideas doesn't help them much either.

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@Sushi @global

Democrats Have a tight race ahead and it ain't over yet, next the debates. Tonight Obama and Biden did that just as I thought nice speech, but nothing new here. No mention of tax cuts, Cap and Trade, 8.3% unemployment rate, No Stimulus, No mention of the Affordable Health Care act, how to regrow the Private sector. Dems, need to be careful, yes, they should look forward, forward to seeking new lines of work after this election.

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Romeo - "Not anyone, but the U.S. media says Barack is not anyone."

What? I thought you were one of those types who think all "liberal" media sucks.

Are you saying you now believe the media you previously claimed is a joke?

That's just nonsense.

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Democrats Have a tight race ahead and it ain't over yet

No, no, no, Americans are following the President Obama who speaks about theTruth, not polls.

America is a country of principals, values and beliefs. America is a nation of Law and the Truth.

We are moving FORWARD for the Truth, Hope, Future, not back. FOUR MORE YEARS!

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Whisky, Your German was a bit off

No, no, no, Americans are following the President Obama who speaks about theTruth, not polls.

The truth depending on who's perspective?

America is a country of principals, values and beliefs. America is a nation of Law and the Truth.

And yet both parties, BOTH PARTIES, have disgraced and denigrated those principles, that's the truth.

We are moving FORWARD for the Truth, Hope, Future, not back. FOUR MORE YEARS!

We are moving forward to a nation of Entitlements, never mentioned anything about the Stimulus and Obamacare, how we will fund it (oh, I know how) Affordable Care Act, NOT a single word. That is FORWARD, the truth, future, not anything hopeful. 4 more years of disastrous and more failed policies.

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These will be clarified during the debates, bass. And since you mention them:

tax cuts:

Oh, please: Bring that on!

Cap and Trade:

Republican idea, and a good one.

8.3% unemployment rate:

Certainly a problem, but the majority of Americans still blame the GOP for this, not Obama.

No Stimulus:

No stimulus and the US would look like Ireland.

Affordable Health Care act:

Republican idea, and a good one.

how to regrow the Private sector

Retail jobs at Staples or Sports Authority with no social safety net, no health care, no educational opportunities and a crumbling infrastructure vs. a prolonged, extensive and exhaustive investment in the American people, their environment, and their futures. Pretty simple choice, really, as people will soon realize.

Bring on the debates!

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Even Massashusetts didn't want Romney.

They threw him out.

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SushiSake3Sep. 07, 2012 - 12:51PM JST

Even Massashusetts didn't want Romney.

They threw him out.

So is Iowa and Ohio.

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You do not have to bother about this old stats. Tomorrow, the unemployment rate will be much better.

It won't change overnight, what are you talking about, so YES, you need to bother with it, The HP is nothing conservative, but even they see the truth.

Look at the reaction of the Wall Street today. Wow, the market is now over 13000 Obama in Washington from 6500. Bush was in Washington.

The market always fluctuates, that is just what happens, a lot of uncertainty in the Market, please don't try to educate us on the Stock Market, most people understand it.

The global market is very optimistic about America because the market knows Obama will be remain in Washington.

Give it another 3 days and hit me up again and let's see.

We Americans are not quitters. If we are knocked down, we get up. If we are knocked down twice, we will get up twice. We work harder, but smarter.

If we have proper and great leadership, which we do not. That ship already sailed.

The Only way to look forward is change drivers and Obama needs to let someone else drive.

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@Jim

I'll criticise anyone, Republican or Democrat, for criticising a speech they have yet to hear! By the way, I completely disagree with your next comment.

You are right, I feel 100% the same way, buddy boy! So I will criticize Obama, for knowing he will duck the issues, the economy and the stimulus and the Affordable Health care act. Disagree, but the truth is what it is.

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Obama raised the deficit to $16 trillion and a study projected to $20+ trillion by 2016 under current policy. If this, so claimed as better path for future America; please enjoy yourself justification. The present unsettle climate in U.S. will only getting worse under Obama part II since it carried on from part I. More taxing, borrowing, spending, it sounds familiar to most Western European policy! Remember Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, Ireland......America next. The responsible debtors would find the way to improve by reducing the debt. The bad debtors would resolve in blaming, attacking, bankrupting, destroying........ Americans will decide their own fate by November,2012.

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bass4funkSep. 07, 2012 - 01:00PM JST

You do not have to bother about this old stats. Tomorrow, the unemployment rate will be much better.

It won't change overnight, what are you talking about, so YES, you need to bother with it, The HP is nothing conservative, but even they see the truth.

Look at the reaction of the Wall Street today. Wow, the market is now over 13000 Obama in Washington from 6500. Bush was in Washington.

The market always fluctuates, that is just what happens, a lot of uncertainty in the Market, please don't try to educate us on the Stock Market, most people understand it.

The global market is very optimistic about America because the market knows Obama will be remain in Washington.

Give it another 3 days and hit me up again and let's see.

We Americans are not quitters. If we are knocked down, we get up. If we are knocked down twice, we will get up twice. We work harder, but smarter.

If we have proper and great leadership, which we do not. That ship already sailed.

The Only way to look forward is change drivers and Obama needs to let someone else drive

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These will be clarified during the debates, bass. And since you mention them:

tax cuts:

NOTHING

Cap and Trade:

NOTHING FROM THIS PRESIDENT

8.3% unemployment rate:

NO ONE BUT THE DEMS CARE ABOUT BUSH, MOST AMERICANS KNOW THAT THE BUCK STOPS WITH THE PRESIDENT.

No Stimulus:

NO, WHY DIDN'T HE ELABORATE ON THAT, IF WHAT YOU SAY IS TRUE?

Affordable Health Care act:

NICE, BUT NO DICE, NO MENTION, NOT GOOD! STOP TAP DANCING

how to regrow the Private sector

Retail jobs at Staples or Sports Authority with no social safety net, no health care, no educational opportunities and a crumbling infrastructure vs. a prolonged, extensive and exhaustive investment in the American people, their environment, and their futures. Pretty simple choice, really, as people will soon realize.

Household income is down, unemployment benefits are up. International investment is way down. You are talking about these jobs that provide employment and yet, why is it tha many of these jobs don't offer benefits, we are not a nation of cradle to grave entitlements, even if, we don't have the money, we need to cut back, I know you liberals think that there is an inexhaustible amount of money stashed somewhere and we don't. How can we invest, with the rates that Obama is taxing us with? How about addressing the Black unemployment 14.4% and Hispanics 11% NO MENTION! Yes, people already realize. Dems can't hide the truth.

Bring on the debates!

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BeGood - "Obama raised the deficit to $16 trillion"

No he didn't. 2 GOP-initiated wars, bush tax cuts and healthcare subsidy program built most of that.

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But Obama was lucky that teleprompter was working, NO plan, but still working. But the lies are abounding, can't wait for the debates.

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Bass, what did Romney say about climate change?

Oh, that's right - about as much as he had to say about the wars - nothing.

But now Mitt's doing the faux outrage thing that the Dems boo'd including 'God' in their platform.

GOP outrage doesn't get any more ridiculous than that.

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I especially liked Obama's call for more nation building at home.

But judging by the GOP's unified opposition to the infrastructure bill (is there anything partisan about improving roads for all Americans??), they'll be having none of that.

Conservatives - anti-American to the core.

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@bass

again with republican-hyped teleprompter joke that is so last year. Here is an FYI for you, EVERYONE used a teleprompter dems and republican. You know when republicans has nothing pick on except Obama's use of a teleprompter, they're REALLY scraping the bottom of the barrel.

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bass4funk, you are still in denial. Ryan did not even fill the seat today in my city. Voters do not want to hear his lies. The truth hurts, doesn't it to you?

Like I said before, do not under estimate a power of American voters. They are smart.

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Bass - "But Obama was lucky that teleprompter was working,"

Yo Bass, can you make 5,000-word speeches without a teleprompter or notes too, like RomeoRamen?

Wow!

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Bass - "But Obama was lucky that teleprompter was working,"

Yo Bass, can you make 5,000-word speeches without a teleprompter or notes too, like RomeoRamen?

Wow!

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I hope I did you proud.

Let's go win.

Barack

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@Sushi

"Obama raised the deficit to $16 trillion"

No he didn't. 2 GOP-initiated wars, bush tax cuts and healthcare subsidy program built most of that.

I know it hurts but let me do this again, I know it aches you, but...

AAA Credit Rating 7.8% Unemployment $1.81 Gas/Gallon $10 Trillion Debt 2 Wars 26 Weeks Unemployment Benefits Annual Budget

What we have now under Obama

AA Credit Rating 8.3% Unemployment $3.69 Gas/Gallon $16 Trillion Debt 99 Weeks Unemployment Benefits NO Annual Budget

Obama has outspent Bush 3 almost 5 times over. The comparison is right there, but I can get more proof. Obama is President, his economy, his decision and his responsibility-PERIOD!

what did Romney say about climate change?

The most important issue right now to the American people and the GOP is THE ECONOMY, something liberals don't really have an inkling about.

I especially liked Obama's call for more nation building at home.

Heard that one before, Not going to happen. In Hillary's state of NY, she did nothing to try to repair the infrastructure of the city and across the country, to be fair, both parties failed on that one.

Conservatives - anti-American to the core.

Liberals, Not having the first clue as to what being an American means. But they do understand the Robing Hood theory very well. That is Hardcore!

@Mirai

again with republican-hyped teleprompter joke that is so last year. Here is an FYI for you, EVERYONE used a teleprompter dems and republican. You know when republicans has nothing pick on except Obama's use of a teleprompter, they're REALLY scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Funny, but you guys have no problems invoking Bush every 5 min as an excuse for everything that Obama gets wrong, every time and all the time. That was so 3 for years ago, the first year, yes, I get it, but 4 and on?? You guys always whine and cry foul when it affects your sainted President, so now you know how it feels. Obama has to, has to answer for his mistakes, if he did that, I think a lot of people would be more forgiving to him, but the man is just too stubborn to admit failure.

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you are still in denial. Ryan did not even fill the seat today in my city. Voters do not want to hear his lies. The truth hurts, doesn't it to you?

Ryan wasn't there and? So what? You cannot speak for the American people, you may not like him, but don't speak on behalf of the people or did you ask every single person in your city. Which city is that again? Ryan is in good standing, just wait for the debate and Biden will be lucky, if he can put 2 sentences together without making a gaffe.

Like I said before, do not under estimate a power of American voters. They are smart.

Yes, I agree. :-)

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busted!

Health care flip-flop http://youtu.be/P-hpKG553bU

http://youtu.be/H4iTtNGjFY4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vAykpBXk-g

Climate change

http://youtu.be/qYgmrtO2UHo

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At the end of G.W. Bush, and in spiting of two wars, the deficit was recorded around $10 trillion. Obama added almost $6 trillion, resulting the highest increase of deficit than any presidency period. A study projected to $20 trillion under Obama part II. Nothing is free folk, for debt is such a despair disease ($16 trillion in debt + 4 more years = $20 T in debt).

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23 million unemployed Americans 47 million people on food stamps we have a good United States except for debt

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Americans will decide their own fate by November, 2012.

Agreed, Bgood41.

Now, more than ever, Time is money.

Romney/Ryan 2012.

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GW, I think you meant to say "a country founded on principles" though there are indeed many principals as well.

Speaking of principles, how the unemployment rate is officially calculated is not very principled as it doesn't take into account the principal figure of employment participation. THAT figure includes not only those receiving unemployment benefits ( up to 99weeks??), but also those no longer eligible nor seeking employment.

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For you history buffs,

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship." — Alexander Tyler, 1887

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To confirm whether Tyler was correct, count the votes.

" Sound crazy? Sure, but count the votes. Union members - 14.8 million City, Country, Municipal employees - 16.4 million Federal employees - 2.65 million Food stamp recipients - 50 million Social Security recipients - 61.6 million Total: 145 million

Only about 50% of eligible voters will actually pull themselves away from TV and porn to vote. That equals about 140 million votes. Those he can (and will) scare the sh... it out of total 145 million. He won't get them all, but he has more than enough after you add in the old liberals, 97% of the black vote( not mine), 75% of hispanics, the guys who can't get laid unless they appear "sensitive," the highly educated who are pissed they were never able to monetize their PhDs in Sociology, Femi-nazis who hate men but who convince themselves they are voting for Michelle, and all the selfish pigs who use their support of a nanny-state as a reason to give nothing to charity and still feel good about themselves. If Obama plays his cards right, that will be more than enough and will mark a milestone in the endgame of the American experiment." TDV

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A democracy is always temporary in nature

Not as profound as it sounds. I could point, for example to the long history of democracy in Iceland, and Tyler's response would be "Give it time. It'll be a dictatorship one day." The question is when? Next year, next century, ten thousand years into the future?

Kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Luca, care to comment on more than the first line of the Tyler quote? That's just the introduction. Your comment is a diversion.

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Herve, it is of little use to quote a 19th c. Scottish cynic regarding 21st c. political systems; it is even worse to misquote:

There is no reliable record of Alexander Tytler's having made the statement. In fact, this passage actually comprises two quotations, which didn't begin to appear together until the 1970s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Fraser_Tytler

There seems to be a trend amongst conservatives towards cynicism and frustration, resulting in an "a pox on both your houses" attitude. After Bush and given your current nominee, such an attitude is understandable. It does not, however, make it right, neither in the sense of veracity nor morality.

Still, many of us liberals welcome you all to stay home this November. Truly, America will be better off without your votes.

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Some people just don't get it, if you want to be on your knees, getting your teeth kicked in by the filthy rich greedy bastards Republicans, sure go and vote for Romney, if you want to make a better country and not just for the greedy, 0.0001% of the filthy, rich greedy Republicans, go on and keep on dreaming that you will one day be in that elite category, while Romney and his buddies laugh as you work your ass off, actually pay taxes $$$ in the USA, while Romney thinks he is too good to keep his money in American banks, we all have a free choice. It is up to you, do you want to waste your vote or do you actually want TO MAKE A CHANGE FOR THE BETTER by voting for MR.OBAMA. Yes we can! Yes we did! And yes WE WILL DO IT AGAIN!!!

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Laguna, I stand corrected on the authenticity of the Tyler-Tytler quote, though I do not doubt the truth of it.

But make no mistake ; I'm no conservative, as defined by the neocon Repuglicans, nor a "modern " liberal of the Demonstricat persuasion. I'm Independent and loathe both parties.

Neither will get my vote.

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E.M., or there's the option of rejecting the Left-Right paradigm, refuse to be Anyone's tax-slave and establish your own sovereignty. Think outside of the statist box.

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No problem; it was nice to see that quote again - must be floating around in conservative chatrooms (not that I'm calling you a conservative or anything).

Many of my students are surprised when I mention that the US is the oldest country in the world, which it is in terms of a (fundamentally) uninterrupted political system. If there were any truth to that quote, the US would have disappeared long ago. In fact, Americans are fiscally quite conservative and have, on the whole, proven themselves admirably able to guide their own fiscal fortune.

It was only a little over a decade ago when the US had showed a budget surplus and hand-wringing began over what would happen when all the T-bills were paid off and that wonderful financial tool disappeared. Seems like we won't have to worry about that for a while, but with a little cooperation between parties, I have no doubt the US will find itself on a sustainable fiscal track by the end of Obama's second term.

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It sounds like, and looks like from the text of a lot of the speeches on both sides, that the DNC beat the RNC out of the water with ease, and by the looks of a lot of posts on here it has Republicans furious (but unable to say anything except spout anything but the usual teleprompter comments -- forgetting the GOP candidates used them as well), and other soundbites.

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Laguna, your optimism is refreshing, but,

" with a little cooperation between parties, I have no doubt the US will find itself on a sustainable fiscal track by the end of Obama's second term."

neither party can work such a feat.

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"A new record political moment on Twitter:"

Looks like the Grass Roots Campaigners were in overdrive. I wonder how many tweets each they sent out.

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Talking about teleprompters - that God, Jerusalem thing with the poor guy reading the teleprompter and declaring 2/3rd majority was pretty funny. If it happened at the RNC the comedians would be all over it, and wouldn't stop lampooning it.

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Elbuda, they should have called you up to give a speech!

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I have no doubt the US will find itself on a sustainable fiscal track by the end of Obama's second term.

Well, I wish that I could share your overly optimistic attitude about this President, but sadly, given his a bismol history when it comes to the economy, I beg to differ. But if and I mean, if he gets a second term, no one can stop him from going financially rabid. That's if he gets a second term, if Obama could come down the middle the way Clinton did and NOT listen and follow these crazy Über- liberal Progressives that have hijacked the Democratic party, he could possibly become a decent President, but like I said before, he is No Bill Clinton in that department.

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BeGood: "Obama raised the deficit ( national debt ) to $16 trillion"

Sushi: "No he didn't"

Yes he did.

I am going to sue Obama, Biden and everyone who admitted voting for them for gross negligence.

Too bad I can't sue Sushi, heh heh

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Wasn't the debt under Bush with the last GOP Congress in 2006 like 150 billion ?

This was one of the weakest speeches from an incumbent president seeking reelection that I have ever heard. At times, it seemed as if Obama sensed his own failure and the likely prospect of his defeat. He could cite no meaningful accomplishments, only more empty rhetoric. I got the distinct impression of a man (and his family) whose heart is not in the race, who doesn't particularly enjoy the demands of the job, and who has already settled on/negotiated the next phase of his life.

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I heard him talking about taxing the more wealthy and spending it on education and schools. Hoorah!

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Things Obama did not address in his speech:

More Americans on food stamps than on this day last year;

Job creation and growth are both less than at this time last year;

1 in 6 Americans are at the poverty level; an all-time high;

We are at record levels on how long people are out of work and underemployed;

Our personal debt to GDP ratio is worse than the great depression

Things are going backward not forward at this point.

know this, America: our problems can be solved.”

True. And the first step toward our recovery begins with pulling the plug on this failed Affirmative Action experiment on Nov. 6.

RR

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Lizz: "He could cite no meaningful accomplishments, only more empty rhetoric."

As opposed to his opposition? who said not only nothing about accomplishments (except debunked lies, and of course leaving their failures), but gave no plans as to what they would do, let alone any ideas on how they might do anything if they HAD ideas. Heck, Romney couldn't even address the soldiers who have their lives on the line or have given them in the nation of your nation in Afghanistan!

Obama's speech wasn't the best of the lot (probably his wife's was -- although Kerry's was rather stinging), but it was far, far, far better than anything Romney, Ryan, or anyone else at the GOP (I see they are not mentioning Clint Eastwood anymore in Republican circles, btw! haha) gave, including Romney's wife -- a heartfelt and soppy speech about true love, for sure, but absolutely nothing about Romney and what he plans to do, as usual.

Serrano: "I am going to sue Obama, Biden and everyone who admitted voting for them for gross negligence. Too bad I can't sue Sushi, heh heh"

So you talk defend bush and cheney and their henchmen, who started to two unfunded wars, one an illegal invasion, killed THOUSANDS of your country-men and sent the nation barreling into the debt you see now, on top of all sorts of other crimes, but claim you're going to sue the incumbent and others for reasons that have not affected you, from a nation outside your own. Hmmm... If ever there was gross negligence!

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As expected, the best speech of the convention was the Big Dog, but he went on too long. He could have condensed it to 30 minutes and it would have been better. Biden was, well, Biden. I could see the DNC having their fingers on the mike cut button while he spoke. The President offered no concrete policies, only vague promises. He pulled numbers out of a hat with no mention of specifics.

The other speakers? Sandra Fluke was a joke. Her self pity is getting irritating. The parade of Hollywood types were nothing special.

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4 more months! 4 more months! The last several weeks will be spent on a jet-setting vacation.

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I think both the RNC and the DNC have long outlived their purpose. Neither are anything more than overpriced, overhyped pep rallies. Republicans are out trying to make the case as to why they should be put back in control of the White House. They are so proud of the last time they had control, that they had none of the major players from the previous admninistration give a speach or even attend? If, it is such a benefit to the country to have them in the White House, then why not build on, and continue the success of the Bush Administration? If you're trying so hard to distance yourself from him/it, then how much of a success was it? Why should Republicans be trusted with another 4 years, when they already had it for 8, and we are where we are now? I'm waiting to hear their case as to why Romney should get my vote.

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VRWC. Sandra Fluke was no joke. There was no "self pity". Looks like you have no ability to empathize. Jeez, how can you say such things?

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And I hope the Democrats don't plan on balancing the budget by using Tony Villar's math. Yes Tony Villar is his real name and not Antonio Villaraigosa. It sounded to me the other night that if anything, the Yeas and Nays were even, as opposed to the 2/3 majority that he tried to BS everyone into thinking that it was.

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Herve: "4 more months! The last several weeks will be spent on a jet-setting vacation"

Exactly, exactly!

James: "I'm voting third party and throwing my vote away"

At least you're not voting for Obama, lol.

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Ranger: Fluke's whole pity party is nauseating. She wants other people to pay for HER birth control, even if it violates their morality or conscience. She goes to a Catholic university and is surprised that they are reluctant to give her the pill? She really needs to get over herself and take control of her own body.

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@RomeoRII

pulling the plug on this failed Affirmative Action experiment

A succinct expression of what you really hate about Obama.

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@Bass

if Obama could come down the middle the way Clinton did and NOT listen and follow these crazy Über- liberal Progressives that have hijacked the Democratic party

Gimme a break. I'll bet you dollars to donuts you were part of the crowd in '92 that were already calling Clinton a super liberal, and then Gore, and then Kerry. Just look at those tax rates, friend. They're a lot lower than under Clinton.

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@Bass

How can we invest, with the rates that Obama is taxing us with?

Your view of the world is absurd. Again, check those rates.

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Neither of them can get the US out of the debt it is in so flip the coin and prepare for the worst.

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Truth instead of truthiness. We have gotten so used to the truthiness. Paul Ryan depends on it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/07/jon-stewart-praises-bill-clinton-dnc-math-video_n_1864045.html

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Laguna,

Todays News......

Nonfarm payrolls increased only 96,000 last month, the Labor Department said on Friday. While the unemployment rate dropped to 8.1 percent from 8.3 percent in July, that was because so many Americans gave up the hunt for work.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/07/us-usa-economy-idUSBRE88604Y20120907

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Even Massashusetts didn't want Romney. They threw him out.

How can I possibly find any of your claims credible when you write things like this? Simply wrong.

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Your view of the world is absurd. Again, check those rates

At those rates, what foreign companies would want to make a sound investment in the US market? Look at CA to get my point, companies are leaving in droves and CA is slowly becoming a baron place. Once a beacon for Corporations around the world, everyone came to CA to invest and start a business, now those days are long gone, thanks to failed liberal policies. I think, NO, I know the liberals worldview is skewed as well disastrous.

Gimme a break. I'll bet you dollars to donuts you were part of the crowd in '92 that were already calling >Clinton a super liberal, and then Gore, and then Kerry.

'92 I was too busy worrying about keeping my grades up in college. I never thought, he was a Super liberal unlike Obama, who I think is a far-out of control-left Liberal, Gore, I always thought he was a moonbat on environmental steroids and Kerry a dolt. You put them all together, Clinton still comes out smelling like a rose.

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Serrano: "I am going to sue Obama, Biden and everyone who admitted voting for them for gross negligence. Too bad I can't sue Sushi, heh heh"

So you talk defend bush and cheney and their henchmen, who started to two unfunded wars, one an illegal invasion, killed THOUSANDS of your country-men and sent the nation barreling into the debt you see now, on top of all sorts of other crimes, but claim you're going to sue the incumbent and others for reasons that have not affected you, from a nation outside your own. Hmmm... If ever there was gross negligence!

Boggles the mind, doesn't it?

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America's wars are still in progress. After all of their effort, what was really accomplished? The current President is like the last one by his actions. Wake me up when it is all over but NOO they will be talking 2016.

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Carpet-Baggers & Snake-Oil Salesmen!-The Whole Lot of Them! When I was a boy my Mama had a Quilt hanging tn the kitchen that read "God Bless This Mess!" & so I'll be voting for Her in this election as She ,at least could deal with such things in a timely,Honest fashion!
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@Bass:

Obama has outspent Bush 3 almost 5 times over. The comparison is right there, but I can get more proof. Obama is President, his economy, his decision and his responsibility-PERIOD!

That's just how Liberals think. If a Republican is president, everything is the fault of Republicans. If a Democrat is president, everything is the Republican's fault. Liberals have not be good at taking responsibility for their failings since the 1960's. Liberalism is all about not taking responsibility for anything. The national debt is $16 trillion - an unbelievable amount of money (the fault of both parties by the way) yet not even $1 trillion per year budget deficits phase them. It's okay, just spend more money - pass a new entitlement program so the government can take over the nations health care system, while simultaneously ignoring the fact that the other entitlement programs are going broke and structurally unaffordable.

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@global,

8.3% Unemployment

91.7.% of Americans still have jobs. President Obama stopped US going into the 2nd Great Depression when he took office. When the other side (GOP) still does not realize is that they are against Americans who have jobs

Is this "new math"? Please check the current Employment Participation Rate, then recalculate.

http://soberlook.com/2012/02/employment-participation-rate-shows.html?m=0

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All these politicians are still just "kicking the can down the road", America need's to get their nose out of everyone's affair's, and get their own house in order. Then maybe they could see more clearly to help anyone else. Remove the bases from everyone's land. Bring all the troops home and start training them to rebuild highway's, bridge's, solar power plant's, etc... Most of all we need job's. Not another four year's of this recession, or another cold war . Can we find a Leader who love's America more than power, or money, or war?...or are doomed to buisness as usual...

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