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Sarge
Obama: "I'm going to have to start telling the truth about you ( McCain )"
So, Obama hasn't been telling the truth about McCain?
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yabits
He hasn't focused on McCain. He's been busy telling the nation about his plans to lower taxes for 90% of Americans, taking better care of our veterans, helping people get affordable health care, and motivating young Americans towards service.
The stuff that McCain avoids in his slimy, lying attacks on Obama. Let McCain and Palin have the gutter, Barack.
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RomeoRamenII
So, with his latest ad "The One" is now making fun of America's most consistent bloc of voters ... senior citizens.
Great strategy, Team obama.
Heh, on Nov. 4 after he's released it to the media, obama's supporters will be receiving his concession speech via e-mail and text msg.
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RomeoRamenII
Obama ratchets up counterattacks on McCain
Coming soon from Team obama: "Yo mamma" campaign ads.
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CavemanLawyer
Maybe the error was in telling the truth. Maybe the Democrats should have ran with the same kind of childish and false accusations and said "Hey, you are the ones backing Miss Piggy for VP! Expect some comments. Haiya!"
Republicans do not respect maturity. Democrats need to pander to the school kids more.
--Cirroc
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CavemanLawyer
That is because we want to teach teenagers about sex. We don't want the 17 year old preggers like Palin's daughter that come with the abtistinence only teaching that only a way too hopeful moron would preach.
According to the right's own mantra, Bristol Palin is a kid having a kid. Abstinence only fails again.
--Cirroc
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Alphaape
I think you got this the other way around. It seems that the Dems do not respect maturity and will pander to the school kids more. I thought that Obama said that he was trying to bring a new campagin to politics. I have watched some of the ads online, and they are not really mud slinging at all. Just stating the facts. I will admit the McCain ad on the sex education for kindergarten kids was a bit misleading, but it was no more than what Obama has said in his ads on what he intends to do when he is president.
Obama, here is a suggestion, be a man and don't be reactionary. If McCain says something that you don't like, instead of condeming, stick to your message. If you feel he is going off the issues, then run ads to bring him back, instead of whining and complaining "like a little girl."
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smithinjapan
Alpha: "I think you got this the other way around. It seems that the Dems do not respect maturity and will pander to the school kids more. I thought that Obama said that he was trying to bring a new campagin to politics."
Well, you can say 'we got it the other way around' all you want, but you would be wrong. It was McCain -- the man who SWORE he wouldn't use the same negative campaign tactics that Bush used to beat him in the Repub. nomination 8 years back -- who began the negative campaigning, and it's worked for him... hence, Obama, being pressured to push back, is ratcheting up the counter-attacks. READ THE ARTICLE! It even says over and over, "How are you going to react? (to the negative acts)" -- in address to Obama.
Geez... can't see the forest for the trees, can we.
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SezWho2
Sarge,
Do you think Obama means that he hasn't been telling the truth up till now or do you think he means that it is time for him to take the gloves off?
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RomeoRamenII
be a man .... stick to your message
As expected, obama's socialist/Marxist "message" is being rejected by the U.S. voters. The same thing happened to mondale, dukakis, gore and kerry.
So, he's now left with targeting the cyber geeks by dissing American senior citizens; the biggest voting bloc that actually go to the polls and vote on Election Day.
obama's implosion continues.
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adaydream
It's about time to quit letting the mudslinging get past and smacking down the slinger.
Obama's financiers, namely his constiuents, are tired of the kid gloves.
It's about time that these silly comments, that do sway a few voters at a repeat, be stopped, rebutted and their lies feltched out. < :-)
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Taka313
Sez,
Your question was answered after the third word.
I'm glad to see that Sen. Obama is going to fight back against the smears and I'm really looking forward to the debates and seeing how they unfold here on JT.
I'm going to keep a running talley of how many times then neo-cons here play the victim card.
Taka
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SushiSake3
It's great to see Obama wants to talk about the real issues while McCain wants to talk about resumes and personalities.
McCain has every right to talk about personalities now that his VP pick Sarah Palin has started off a cult of personality, what with her being a celebretiy former beauty queen who just loves her guns.
But just don't mention the moose.
Also, great to see RomeoRamen yet again not actually supporting his man McCain, but simply engaging in low-level baseless attacks on Obama.
Go Romeo!
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ColAmerica
Obama try whatever tactics you want; "bring it on" . Tee Hee!
You are so far behind in the polls you amy as well concede the election to McCain.
McCain and Palin can destroy you and Biden in any debate and you know it Obama, you name calling surrender monkey.
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SushiSake3
And it's not only Obama who is ratcheting up counterattacks on McCain - the attacks are happening from other quarters, and from within the McCAin-Palin celebrity ticket.
Here's an entree -
GOP State Sen. Charlie Huggins, who represents Palin's hometown of Wasilla, has just sided with Democrats and voted with other state lawmakers to subpoena Todd Palin, Sarah's husband in the "Troopergate" affair.
As if that wasn't bad enough, Sen. McCain just yesterday openly tried to cover up Palin's past by asserting that as governor of Alaska she had not sought congressional earmarks for her state.
Um.... someone needs to tell Sen. McCain that his runing mate asked for nearly $200 million in targeted spending for the 2009 fiscal year (Palin has asked for 31 earmarks worth $197 million for the 2009 fiscal year, to be exact.)
And what about the Sarah Palin "Bridge to Nowhere"?
The bridge, originally estimated to cost almost $400 million, would have connected Ketchikan to Gravina Island, which has 50 residents and the Ketchikan airport. But Palin dropped her support after the project became a symbol of congressional earmarks and Congress nuked it.
And then there's Palin's flat out disagreements with John McCain -
Palin supports drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge;
McCain opposes it.
McCain supports relaxing federal restrictions on financing of embryonic stem cell research, a position opposed by abortion opponents.
Palin opposes embryonic stem cell research.
Palin is anti-abortion in ALL cases.
McCain does support abortion in cases of rape and incest.
And, if either McCain or Obama has a major health malfunction, I thnk most Americans would want to see Joe Biden take over as president rather than a gun-lovin' former beauty queen.
Heh, I never thought this race would get **this good **for the Democrats. McCain's choice of his diva VP is looking worse by the day :-)
The Great GOP Implosion of 2008 is under way :-)
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SushiSake3
ColAmerica, why do you think McCain and Palin are refusing to discuss issues?
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SushiSake3
ColAmerica - "McCain and Palin can destroy you and Biden in any debate and you know it Obama, you name calling surrender monkey."
Anti-Americanism at it's best! :-)
Great to see patriotic Americans sure as heck won't be voting for the McCain-Palin Celebrity Tag Team Ticket.
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Alinsky4prez
Too true!
I just wish more people understood that polls show Barack is behind because the corporate media is controlled by repubs.
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ColAmerica
McCain has an almost double digit lead, wow!!!
Obama cannot catch the good guy. If he picked Clinton he had a chance, but he blew it with his stubborn attutude, how very childish.
Most Americans follow the bible and beleiev in god. It is obvious where moral god fearing folks will take their vote.
Go Go Go McCain, Palin!!!
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SushiSake3
ColAmerica - stop making stuff up - CNN says McCain leads Obama 46 - 44%.
But Obama is way ahead in electoral votes.
Sorry, McCain is on his way into the history books as having failed twice to become president.
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Alinsky4prez
Barack's latest commercial is killing the republicans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmRXH7RkCZQ
"Our economy wouldn't survive without the Internet, and cyber-security continues to represent one our most serious national security threats," [Obama spokesman Dan] Pfeiffer said.
"
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ColAmerica
CNN polls are pure fantasy and are ignored by moderate guys like myself.
McCain has as good as got the presidency in his pocket.
McCain is leading by 4-9% in all trustworthy polls .
hey Obama why not attack th morally superior Palin and McCain, and make yourself look more foolish. Maybe you can copy your pastor and preach his anti white anti American rhetoric.
Obama, we don't want you, America wants McCain, retire from the race!
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skipthesong
American senior citizens; the biggest voting bloc"
I really hope you are wrong about that stat.
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SushiSake3
ColAmericx, you forgot to answer my question above - why aren't McCain or Palin talking about issues?
Why are they making this entire election about resumes and personalities?
And where do you get this "morally superior Palin and McCain" mumbo-jumbo from?
I know - you got it from the same "news source" that claims McCain is leading Obama by "double digits," ha ha :-)
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ColAmerica
SushiSake3; perhaps you should educate yourself by watching moderate news , instead of socialist propaganda..
Everyone knows McCain and Palins vies. Carrying on the same policies as Bush, but with a more aggressive foreign policy, and more aggression towards our enemies.
We shpuld all stand behind our president and McCain, thsi is a time of war.
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SushiSake3
ColAmerica - "morally superior Palin and McCain [team" - you mean Palin, whose husband Todd Palin is now the subject of a state subpoena? :-)
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SushiSake3
ColAmerica - "Everyone knows McCain and Palins vies."
Lies? Yes, I know everyone knows McCain and Palin lie. Common knowledge.
"Carrying on the same policies as Bush, but with a more aggressive foreign policy, and more aggression towards our enemies."
While the US economy slides further under the waves.
"We shpuld all stand behind our president and McCain, thsi is a time of war."
LOL!! You bought the spin, just like Sarge!! Too funny!!
The tanking US economy is a far greater threat to stability and security than a bunch of bad guys you America has spent chasing in a "war" that has gone on longer than WW1 and WW2 and still hasn't been won.
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ColAmerica
SushiSake#- Unconvicted of any crime. Liberals must try harder. By the way, Palinss husband is not the one standing for office.
Come on Obama attack , do your best you weakling, with no backbone for even a debate, let alon a war on terror!!
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Sarge
I see Sushi is getting desperate now with attacks on Palin's husband. Heck, even Obama has said candidates' families are off limits.
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ColAmerica
SushiSake3, Thank god for guys such as myself and Sarge. True patriots who love their country.
We vote for the best choice, not for how they look, or if they appeal to the liberal media. No thank you, we vote for honest guys. Go on Obama attack us, Yawn, you are so inept Obama. Hahahaha.
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SushiSake3
ColAmerica, again, you must have forgotton to answer my question - why are McCain and Palin failing to debate the issues in this campaign?
I think they are just too scared and know they will be crushed by the pro-American Obama-Biden ticket.
Palin couldn't even handle being interviewed by ABC News anchor Charles Gibson LOL!! Just wait until Joe Biden starts shredding her in the VP debate on October 4th.
I'm fully expecting her to soon begin contradicting her own contradictions, ha ha!!
BTW, why are you supporting such a pack of losers?
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ColAmerica
SushiSake3- I have to go now. Sorry i cannot stay and tear your posts to pieces as usual.
Palin and McCain want to debate, Obama and Biden don`t. Let's see how it goes buddy, expect a McCain 15% or so lead by Oct1. You heard it here first.
The voice of reason, ColAmerica!
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Sarge
"Palin couldn't even handle being interviewed by ABC News anchor Charles Gibson"
You must have seen a different version than the interview I saw, which she handled quite well.
"a pack of losers"
We'll see who the losers are on Nov.4.
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SushiSake3
Sarge - "You must have seen a different version than the interview I saw, which she handled quite well."
Please see my 11.53am post.
ABC News anchor Charles Gibson correctly called Palin out on a number of issues - earmarks (did you know she submitted requests for $197 million worth of earmarks for 2009? - that's the highest per capita amount in any state in America).
And that's just for starters.
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Sarge
Sushi - Why are you ignoring your candidate's wishes to not attack candidates' family members? What the heck is wrong with you?
And McCain and Palin are not "failing to debate the issues" - why the heck do you think that? Is that what some socialist blog said?
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SushiSake3
ColAmerica - "Palin and McCain want to debate, Obama and Biden don`t. Let's see how it goes buddy, expect a McCain 15% or so lead by Oct1. You heard it here first. The voice of reason, ColAmerica!"
ROFL!!! :-)
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smithinjapan
sarge: answer sushi's question!
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SushiSake3
Sarge - "Sushi - Why are you ignoring your candidate's wishes to not attack candidates' family members? What the heck is wrong with you?"
Sorry, you must have completely failed to read my 12.34 post.
Sarge - "And McCain and Palin are not "failing to debate the issues" - why the heck do you think that? Is that what some socialist blog said?"
No. Why are McCain and Palin failing to debate the issues? They are clearly skirting them.
Why? It's a straight up question.
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SushiSake3
Sarge - "Sushi - Why are you ignoring your candidate's wishes to not attack candidates' family members? What the heck is wrong with you?"
Ha ha!! That's rich - a Republican going all moral on an opponent :-)
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smithinjapan
Obama has EVERY right to launch negative attacks on John McCain, who should be absolutely ashamed of himself.
The absolutely ridiculous part of this whole campaign is that, despite Republicans being told point blank that what McCain/Palin are saying is for the most part lies (and not by posters on here, but TV interviews, statistical facts, minutes of government meetings, etc.) and yet they STILL believe the lies themselves and never question the liars.
The major difference, of course, between Obama's negative criticism and McCain's is exactly as Obama put it; "They can keep lying, and I will have to tell the truth (about them)".
Any American that actually buys into what McCain and Palin says is a complete and utter dolt. I'm just waiting for sarge or someone to come on here and say, "It's true! Palin was opposed to the Bridge to Nowhere from the start!"
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SushiSake3
SmithinJapan, Republicans will pretty much believe anything if it is linked to patriotism, security, fighting 'terror' or God.
The unfortunate thing is that much of what is fed to Republicans is spoken by shameless liars, this time the McCain-Palin Celebrity Ticket.
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Alphaape
If I remember correctly, McCain wanted to have more "town hall" type forums to discuss issues with Obama, but it was Obama who declined. You can't really get detailed policy issues out in a 1 minute commerical that is costing you exhorbitant fees on the air, so quite naturally both sides will go for the "qucik jab" and make commericals that may not state the exact truth. If Obama wants to counter attacke McCain, then meet him in more open forums, and bring up his issues. If McCain meets and does not answer policy issue per policy issue, but instead goes on the negative, then we will see who is not sticking to the issues.
By the way the system is designed, if you have a policy that you wish to present in a campaign, then quite natually the opponent is going to reftue it and say it will not work. So now, does Obama want McCain to address his policy issues in a nicer tone and more "touchy feely?" As long as they are not directed at his family, I say let them both present their cases in the best manner. Yes they may be negative, but they don't have to be slanderous.
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SushiSake3
While I admit I hate lies, I will come down like a ton of bricks on anyone who disputes Sarah Palin's strong national security credentials.
To her benefit, she got her first ever passport last year and had the trip of a lifetime to Germany and Kuwait. She has also ventured out to Canada and Mexico.
And it's true - as Sarah Palin has accurately stated a number of times now - that she has strong national security credentials because she "lives close to Russia" and beleives that you can "actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska."
Let no one dispute that thanks to the above, Sarah Palin has solid national security credientials.
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Taka313
Actually, Sen. McCain didn't find it very funny at all. His words were that there must be "a special place in hell" reserved for the rumormongers.
Or on his 2008 campaign staff.
Taka
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McC72
Why isn't any republican die hard answering the question about debate on issues being thrown on this board? Someone of you should be bold to answer it.
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RomeoRamenII
To date, obama has burned his bridges with the following groups of American voters:
Those in small-town America;
Bible toters;
gun huggers;
women;
Jews;
senior citizens
Heh, to win on Nov. 4th, obama's going to have to borrow 40 million blacks from somewhere for a day.
democrat Lemming Day is now just weeks away.
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sailwind
I wish I could give some advice to Obama and his campaign. By all rights this should be his election. However he and his campaign are looking less and less like the nucleus of a future Obama administration full of confidence and leading America out of the funk of the Bush administration and more and more like the three stooges snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
American Presidential elections are about issues but they are driven by perceptions. Obama could have very easily dismissed McCain's choice of Palin from day one. The tack should have been to praise his choice, acknowledge that she is doing one heck of job as Governor for Alaska and look forward to her inputs on womens issues from a conservative viewpoint if he was elected. He could have also pointed out that McCain's choice was to help him win back conservative voters and shore up the divisive red state / blue state politics of the past. He then should have followed that up by saying that it's time to move beyond red state / blue state politics and that was the reason he choose Biden as his running mate. The voters would grasp and know that he would finally have the cover and could have spoken the truth in a subtle diplomatic way about Hillary. The truth that he didn't choose her because she would have done exactly what Palin did for McCain........Fired up the conservative base. Hillary as his pick would have thrown Obama conservative backlash just as bad as if McCain would have chosen Cheney in lefty circles. Her negative numbers have never changed and he could write off 45 percent of the electorate by selecting her. He's smart and knows that would have been a dumb move for a guy that is trying to run on a platform of change and carry states that for the past 8 years where in the red. However he's maybe to smart for his own good, because maybe he thought his Harvard educated elitist background perception would be vindicated by taking a gamble that Americans would see Palin as a country bumpkin that shouldn't be on the national stage and maybe his campaign thought, "Big Deal, after they hear her talk they will see how smart we really are". He dismissed her and boy did he under estimate that one.
Well Obama now you've got an arrogance perception to go along with you should've choose Hillary.
I'm starting to think that Obama and his team are their own worst enemies. I'm not really sure how he's going to wrench that back but my thoughts are if he starts with trying to hit back with the tack he is using now it is going to make it worse.
If I was him I'd start by slamming the Daily Kos crowd types in his own party because they achieved the impossible. They made Palin a lady to be defended instead of what she should have been. A choice by a McCain that was made to shore up his base and not much else. And they made Obama less like Presidential material then a hostage to their more radical left agenda that he can't jettision right now to win over small town America voters.......The very ones that really do decide elections after all.
Just my thoughts so far....The debates are going to be very very interesting this year.
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RomeoRamenII
sailwind -- good analysis. However, everything obama has said and done to date is never his fault. For him, throwing out the vicitm card is as natural as breathing for everyone else.
Only the members of his nutsroots following who rush to his defense fail to recognize that.
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Alphaape
sailwind, very good post. Now McCain seems to be falling into the same trap as Obama. I guess with his rise in the polls, he has what we call in the Navy "Short timers syndrome" where he knows he will be home in just a short while, and he starts to slack off and focus on what will be instead of what is near to him. If I were McCain, I would get back to issues, and not even keep selling the National Defense. Everyone knows he is strong in that area. If I were him, I would foucus on the rise in gas prices due to Hurrican Ike and our need to redevolp the refining industry. The bail out mess would be his next best move by having someone like Romney out there (a good choice for the Treasury Secretary if he wins) talking about what McCain would do for the economy.
Just watching the interview that Palin did with ABC, she does differ to McCain on the abortion issue, and he should use that to show yes they are the same party, but even with their differing of opinions they still want to work together for the common good.
I think if he did those, instead of going after Obama and his associations he will do better.
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Taka313
Neo-con policy #1
Project your own weakness on to your opponent.
See: romeoramenII 03:02 PM JST - 13th Sep.
It took him less than 24 hours to make accusations about something that he was nailed with on another thread.
Moving on...
Sail,
I would have agreed a lot more on your assessment 3 days ago than I do now. You are absolutely correct in that the Obama campaign has made some blunders. No argument there. However, Palin was gawd-awful with Charlie Gibson and it was far from a hit piece. The GOP cannot hide her from the media forever and from what I saw, she has a lot to learn and little time to do it.
The same can be said for candidate mccain. His campaign team has done an absolutely brilliant job of hiding his lack of knowledge about the economy. I will give them that.
However, the economy is very likely going to be the focal point of the debates, as almost everyone (well...not this guy: http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/180125/august-27-2008/repo-man) not in the top 1% financially has been negatively affected by the current economy.
Remember, Ron Paul made candidate mccain look like a fool during the primaries when he asked candidate mccain about it. Unless mccain has gained years worth of knowledge in the last couple of months, he will be in big trouble there. So...again we agree. The debates are going to be very very interesting.
Taka
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goodDonkey
Alphaape said:
Try not to use words you have no understanding of. I believe reactive is the word you were looking for. Conservatives can't be radicals and liberals can't be reactionary. Do some research beyond a dictionary and you will see why.
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Helter_Skelter
There's an expression: If you're young and conservative, you have no heart; if you're old and liberal, you have no brains. People with brains and life experience aren't voting for Obama. So as far as him alienating the elderly with this ad, he doesn't care. They're really not his constituency anyway.
This attack on McCain's age is targeted at naive young people. Obama is going after the MTV/SNL crowd who can be easily duped into believing socialism works, that everyone but White Christians are victims, and that an Ivy League education makes you smart.
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sailwind
Alphaape,
Good point....... I've been kinda focusing on Obama lately and hadn't really been thinking how McCain should seize the moment after things have had a chance to settle down a bit.
I agree with you. If McCain, as he seems to start to be doing, keeps going further down the negative attack road. The electorate is also not only tired of Bush and his policies they are also tired of his brand of politics and campaign style courtesy of Karl Rove. The more Mccain tries it the more they will also be reminded of Bush the last thing he needs if he wants to win this thing.
I'd would also say stay with the issues and I would love to see him play more to his real strength. It's something that he hasn't or his campaign hasn't really trotted out yet.
His ability to work across the aisle his entire career always putting country first. A prime example that would really resonate with the battle ground states. The time he gave Bill Clinton the political cover to normalize diplomatic relations with Vietnam.
Think about that for a moment, that is putting country first. That is the record he needs to showing not the negative stuff, thats going to backfire on him eventually if he keeps it up. It'll turn me off on the guy also if he keeps it up.
I'd roll with things like how many times he co-sponsored legislative with Kennedy and the rest of the stalwarts of the Democratic party if I was McCain and let Obama continue to show just by how he is running his campaign that he's still suspect if he is really up for the main job by floundering everytime his campaign gets thrown off script.
Ain't going to happen but I really would love Obama to show me the centrist that I really believe him to be and start running agaisn't McCain instead of trying to run 2004 all over again. I think he has gotten about all the mileage out of running agaisn't Bush that he is going to get at this point. Tying Mccain to Bush every chance they get reminds me of fighting the last war instead of the one your actually engaged in. I always thought it was a bad move on the democrats part.
Anyway heres hoping they both start trying to appeal to our better natures instead of our worse instincts. Afraid that isn't going to happen but one can always hope.
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sailwind
Gooddonkey,
Alphaape said:
Obama, here is a suggestion, be a man and don't be reactionary
Try not to use words you have no understanding of. I believe reactive is the word you were looking for. Conservatives can't be radicals and liberals can't be reactionary. Do some research beyond a dictionary and you will see why.
Did I mention that the Obama amd his supporters have an arrogance perception problem? Wonder how they got that?
Alpha I understood exactly what you meant. :)
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sailwind
Taka,
Agreed and I sure hope they bring up how they are going to handle the biggest crises we have to face after Bush leaves office......After it is a consumer driven economy. The dorm room decoration market is going to be in the hurt locker big time after Bush leaves office. I hope in the debates Mccain and Obama have a plan to help.
http://www.youtube.com/user/theonion?ob=4
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Taka313
Sail, That was pretty good. Luckily, the dorm room decoration market crash will be a boon to my boy, Steve O'Brien (loved the hearing aid story; spit iced tea all over the mac). ;-)
Taka
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VOR
Not a good idea to mock a guy who has physical handicaps resulting from service related injuries.
Not only is Obama proving to be sexist, his arrogance also gets in the way of understanding what challenges people with handicaps face in their daily lives.
John McCain has limited arm movement. What is Obama and his people trying to prove? Because the guy doesn't sit down to do email, he is not qualified to lead? My grandmother knows how to email, does that mean she knows all there is to know about network security and can lead the nation. Paleeeeeeeeeze.
Moderator: Readers, no further references to any physical handicaps please.
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sailwind
I actually have to take back my assertion that Obama and some of his supporters are arrogant elitist snobs as a bad thing that will lose him the election.
This really should be seen as a huge step forward in race relations.
I think this guy sums it up best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgVUxmjf0G8
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Taka313
Good Donkey,
I feel it is important for all of us who want to see Sen. Obama win the presidency to point out every single instance of neo-cons projecting THEIR candidate's weaknesses on to Sen. Obama.
They call Sen. Obama racist, ignoring that they themselves constantly make reference to Obama's middle name and that THEY are the ones who bring race into most threads.
They call Sen. Obama sexist, ignoring the fact that candidate mccain opposed, then missed the vote on the Lily Ledbetter fair pay act; threw his first wife under the bus for a younger, cuter and richer beer heiress; called his sugar-momma wife a trollup and the big "C" word, that no woman should ever be called AND made jokes about a woman being raped by a gorilla.
They call Sen. Obama an elitist, ignoring the fact that John Sinclair McCain III - aside from his time as a POW, has NEVER wanted for anything in his life, thanks to the money and influence his father's career afforded him and thanks to his sugar-momma wife's beer empire.
They say Sen. Obama doesn't support the troops, ignoring the fact that candidate mccain voted against the Webb act calling for adequate time for troops to recoup between deployments; voted against an amendment that would have provided an additional $20 million to the VA for medical facilities and voted against giving $430 million to the VA for outpatient care and treatment for vets (only 13 senators voted against) AND voted against increasing Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.
We need to slap them down every single time they do this. This election is too important; the stakes are too high. An added benefit to doing so is it's kind of fun to do to boot. ;-)
Taka
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SezWho2
ColAmerica,
About the non-conviction of Palin's husband and his not running for office:
If Obama has shown judgment unfit of a leader in choosing the unconvicted Wright for his minister, how can Palin's judgment in her choice of a husband go unimpeached?
Can we just get past all the ridiculous slanders and get on to the issues?
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Alinsky4prez
We need to get back on offense! It's been two weeks of palin!palin!palin!
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Taka313
And the wrong one to boot!
http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/09/12/palin-for-president-no-not-that-one/
Taka
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SezWho2
Taka,
Well, I'm not sure how much any of us think. Einstein was a thinker. I would like to be a thinker but I may be more of a processor. Some people are definitely regurgitaters.
Anyway, I too am glad that Obama has decided to take the gloves off. I'm looking forward to see how much punch he has and whether he can back McCain into a corner and get him to finally talk straight about issues.
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Sarge
"Palin was gawd-awful with Charlie Gibson"
She was not. She was superb.
"all of us who want to see Sen. Obama win the presidency"
... are going to be bitterly disappointed.
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Alinsky4prez
Also, Dont forget that when repubs bring up Barack's experience as a community organizer we need to shout them down as racists.
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Sarge
"Obama has decided to take the gloves off"
Then he's gonna get his knuckles bloody.
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yabits
This analysis shows extreme delusion. Nobody in America (or the world for that matter) could have dismissed McCain's choice. The first woman ever to run on the GOP ticket? C'mon... Anyone who saw the frenzy in St. Paul over this very atypical woman would say that she was was not going to be ignored.
Besides, prior to the selection, McCain himself indicated that whoever he would choose, that would be the most important decision of his campaign. As the conservative magazine The Economist points out: McCain's choice shows his poor judgment. The ideologically-driven woman knows nothing about foreign affairs, nothing about federal politics, little to nothing about economic affairs at a national level. And Obama is supposed to just give that all a pass?
No, I am thankful that Obama has different advisors.
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yabits
Simply ludicrous. The only difference on the abortion issue is that McCain would approve of it in cases of rape and incest. Some difference. Otherwise, the two would work to destroy the common good of letting people have access to the choices that women have in every free, democratic society regarding reproduction.
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yabits
There's an excellent reason why he hasn't done that. First of all, he's admittedly weak on economic policy -- the number One concern of voters -- and he'd have to explain to them how his policies, modeled as they are after Bush's, will end up adding 4-5 more trillions to the national debt. All the Republicans seem to be able to muster up are these platitudes as vapid and empty as any of posts of so many of the anti-Obama people here.
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Taka313
sarge,
She was superb.
Gibson: "You said recently... 'Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God.' Are we fighting a holy war?"
Palin: "You know, I don't know if that was my exact quote."
Gibson: "Exact words. "
Superb.
GIBSON: But this is not just reforming a government. This is also running a government on the huge international stage, in a very dangerous world. When I asked John McCain about your national security credentials, he cited the fact you have command of the Alaskan National Guard and Alaska is close to Russia. Are those sufficient credentials?
PALIN: But it is about reform of government. And it’s about putting government back on the side of the people. And that has much to do with foreign policy and national security issues.
Let me speak specifically about a credential that I do bring to this table, Charlie. And that’s with the energy independence that I’ve been working on for these years, as the governor of this state, that produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy. That I worked on as chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conversation Commission, overseeing the oil and gas developments in our state, to produce more for the United States.
GIBSON: National security is a whole lot more than energy.
Again, superb.
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Madverts
Taka,
"sarge,
She was superb."
Some apparently turn off the sound to watch Mrs Palin so as not to lose concentration on other activities...
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Taka313
Madverts,
I'm not going to touch the subject of what sarge does while watching "Sarah" on TV.
As for her interview with Charlie Gibson, actually, she was superb....for the Democrats. Especially on her non-answer answer regarding the bush doctrine (Gibson had to explain it to her), which spurned this from the Good Morning America host:
"I got lost in a blizzard of words there. Is that a yes, that you think we have the right to go across the border, with or without the approval of the Pakistani government?
There is a good reason Palin's next interview is going to be with Sean Hannity. Apparently, along with being a hockey mom, she likes softballs.
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yabits
Taka:
The interview left many wishing that it was Gibson who was on the ticket.
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Madverts
Nah willi,
Anybody on the left taking that attitude would be laufghed at as much as someone on the right desribing the Iraq fiasco as a Holy War.....
I haven't seen a single poster here defending attacks on Obama's experience, or rather lack of, as racism. Perhaps if there is evidence of this on JT, you or it can show me...
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yabits
And one of the first questions from Sean will be: You knew all along what the Bush Doctrine was, right?
In fact, I would not surprised if Sean gave her the list of questions he was going to ask her in advance.
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goodDonkey
Obama did good work as a community organizer. He helped disadvantaged people do better for themselves. I always admired his work with the community after I was made aware of it. I believe his work as president of the Harvard Law Review led to his reputation as one who can easily work with people of dissenting opinions. I find it very disheartening that Palin gets credit for cutting budgets partially by using her line-item veto to slash funding for a state program benefiting teen mothers in need of a place to live. The programs stated purpose is to provide "young mothers a place to live with their babies for up to eighteen months while they gain the necessary skills and resources to change their lives" and help teen moms "become productive, successful, independent adults who create and provide a stable environment for themselves and their families." Just because her daughter does not need the support others less fortunate do need help. Sorry Palin that program was good for society. Sorry Palin, Obama's community work which included helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization was good for society. Palin has her family values skewed.
The article above said Obama "Belittling John McCain as a relic of another era." You can add Palin as a relic also; they both are committed to a Republican platform. That platform seeks to prevent schools from offering advice on contraception. They even oppose the school not advising them on contraception but referring the student to an outside source that could provide counseling. Archaic indeed. Here it is straight from the Republican Platform 2008 itself:
I think Obama does need to continually point to McCain's message on change. Someone on here mentioned the Miller Analogies Test (MAT) so I looked it up and read up on it. An example test question might be:
McCain : Change:: Universe :
This should be read as "McCain is to (:) Change as (::) universe is to (:) _______." The answer would be c. static because just as McCain is least known for change, the universe is least known for being static.
In other words the universe is dynamic and McCain is not.
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Sarge
Palin: I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell bent on destroying our nation.
Gibson: The Bush doctrine, as I understand it, is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense, that we have the right to a pre-emptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us. Do you agree with that?
Palin: I agree that a president's job, when they swear in their oath to uphold the Constitution, their top priority is to defend the United States of America.
Gibson: Do we have a right to anticipatory self-defense? Do we have a right to a pre-emptive strike against another country if we feel that country might strike us?
Palin: Charlie, if there's legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country. In fact the president has the obligation, the duty to defend.
Gibson ( still not understanding ): Do we have the right to be making cross-border attacks into Pakistan from Afghanistan with or without the approval of the Pakistan government?
Palin: Now, as far as our right to invade, we're going to work with these countries, bulding new relationships, working with existing allies, but forging new, also, in order to, Charlie, get to a point in this world where war is not going to be a first option. In fact, war has got to be, a military strike, the last option.
Gibson ( still not understanding ): But Governor, I'm asking you: We have the right, in your mind, to go across the border with or without the apporoval of the Pakistani government.
Palin ( showing considerable patience now ): In order to stop Islamic extremists, terrorists who would seek to destroy America and our allies, we must do whatever it takes, and we must not blink, Charlie, in making those tough decisions on where we go, and even who we target.
Gibson ( STILL not understanding ): Let me finish with this. I got lost in a blizzard of words there...
At this point Palin was showing the patience of a saint.
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Taka313
alynsky and willi,
Thank you both for proving my earlier point. I couldn't have done a better job myself.
Palin was "lambasted?" By Charlie Gibson?!!? When she didn't know what the bush doctrine was, he gave her the answer, for goodness sakes. Lambasting her would have been: "Can you define the bush doctrine? Do you even know what it is? I'll give you a hint, it has nothing to do with being able to see Russia."
THAT would have been lambasting Palin. This was not a case of a bad interviewer but rather a bad interviewee. If I were her, I would demand my money back from joe lieberman!
And...I suppose you think that bill o'reilly threw Sen. Obama softballs too.
You funny.
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TaskForce121
I do not understand these vicious attacks on McCain. What has he done wrong. He has served his military well, served his country politically , and is not under the thumb of special interests.
The guy is one of the few guts left who is truely free from special interests, give the guy a break.
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Alinsky4prez
Trouble is, Barack is still down in the polls. Charlie didn7t come through. Can joe Biden's hair plugs still win us the election?
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Madverts
"The guy is one of the few guts left who is truely free from special interests"
Heh, sure...
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Taka313
"Charlie didn't come through."
He absolutely did. He did his job. He wasn't there to hatchet Palin and he didn't.
I firmly believe that the only people who could possibly believe that Charlie Gibson's interview was a hit piece are the types that are so insecure, that in order to appear as part of a consensus, they resort to multiple personalities on the internet.
Personally, I blame Reagan. Had he not hatcheted the budget for mental health, a lot of these people would be getting the help they need.
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Taka313
Sez,
Ask, and ye shall receive:
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TaskForce121
I receieved an email today bashing McCain, from somewhere i never subscibed to.
How low will the Democrats sink to try to win?. They try to Blacken Palin adn McCains names, yet they are still ahead in the polls. Obama and his followers have lost their minds.
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Sarge
"Charlie didn't come through."
"He absolutely did. He did his job."
So, this time , Charlie wasn't "an embarrassment to all journalists," even though he couldn't seem to comprehend what everyone else watching was comprehending?
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Alinsky4prez
so which part of our shadow right wing government is running Rasmussen Polls these days?
Seven out of 10 voters (69%) remain convinced that reporters try to help the candidate they want to win, and this year by a nearly five-to-one margin voters believe they are trying to help Barack Obama. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 50% of voters think most reporters are trying to help Obama win versus 11% who believe they are trying to help his Republican opponent John McCain. Twenty-six percent (26%) say reporters offer unbiased coverage http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/ 2008_presidential_election/69_say_reporters_try_to_help_the_candidate_they_want_to_win
I certainly won't be capitalizing their name anymore. I urge other progressives here to do the same.
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Taka313
sarge, Other than the part of your last post where you started listening to the voices in your head, you nailed it!
When a journalist asks someone a question regarding a quote and then allows that person to change their quote after the fact, yeah, they are, in fact, an embarrassment to all journalists.
We're getting there sarge. Baby steps.
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yabits
Not understanding your standards for what constitutes "bashing," let me ask you this: If someone claims that McCain's economic proposals will add over $4 trillion to the mounting US debt, would you consider that to be bashing McCain?
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zurcronium
repub losers can dish it out for sure but they cannot take it. In fact they are really weak, hollow types who cave in under pressure. Obama is about to return what mccain has been giving in the last few weeks. Its not going to be pretty for the senile oldster and his snow bunny pick for VP.
The Economist just blasted bush, I mean mccain, for picking the most inexperienced VP candidate in modern times. Says a lot about mccain, he is desperate and will do anything to get back at bush for 2000 when the job was stolen from him. Unfortunately in the process mccain has become bush, even worse as bush was a loser all his life. mccain has just become one.
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yabits
Perhaps a poll of Economist readers would find most of them thinking that the magazine is backing Obama. Naaaaa...
Polls like Rasmussen's take in the semi- and illiterate along with people who are well-informed.
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Sarge
Taka313 - Why do you suppose Charlie Gibson had such a hard time comprehending what everyone else watching and listening was comprehending? And why would a journalist, who, in your words, was "an emabarrassment to all journalists, be allowed to interview Palin?
"We're getting there sarge. Baby steps."
Gotta love the condescending liberal mind.
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Sarge
zurcronium - "mccain, he is desperate"
Ha ha ha ha ha, that would be Obama, zurc. Have you not seen the latest polls?
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Sarge
Gibson: "I got lost in a blizzard of words there"
Palin snowed him! Ha ha ha!
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goodDonkey
I can tell that Sarge secretly thinks she is dumb also. Otherwise why did he leave off the first time Charlie asked the question, the second time he had to prompt her and the third.
GIBSON: Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?
PALIN: In what respect, Charlie?
GIBSON: The Bush — well, what do you interpret it to be?
PALIN: His world view?
GIBSON: No, the Bush doctrine, annunciated September 2002, before the Iraq War. Of course she didn't get it on the third try either. He went on to pose the question a total of five times because she just couldn't quite grasp the concept.
When she said "In what respect, Charlie?" and "His world view?" she turned her head like a dog that is clueless when you are speaking English to it.
But now let's get to the issue of Sarge being deceitful. He left out an integral part. Sarge, when you quote a non-contiguous quote you must put "..." or indicate a break like "[later]." We know it was intentional because you left out:
"There have been blunders along the way, though. There have been mistakes made," where she was talking about Bush. Sarge was too embarrassed to show Palin attributing blunders to Bush so he misrepresented the conversation. That is deceit pure and simple. Shame.
My favorite Palin moment of the interview will alway be:
GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions particularly in the last couple weeks does the proximity of the state give you?
PALIN: They’re our next door neighbors. And you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska.
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goodDonkey
GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions particularly in the last couple weeks does the proximity of the state give you?
PALIN: They’re our next door neighbors. And you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska.
Russia; last couple weeks?
You can see Russia
Insight; Russia?
I can see Russia from here
She is like a Chatty Cathy doll that is broke. You pull her string and she says:
I can see Russia from here
I can see Russia from here
I can see Russia from here
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Taka313
"Why do you suppose Charlie Gibson had such a hard time comprehending what everyone else *watching and listening *was comprehending? And why would a journalist, who, in your words, was "an emabarrassment to all journalists, be allowed to interview Palin?"
You wonder why I criticize your intelligence (or lack thereof). Everyone else = who, other than you? You just make stuff up like this. Like your sweeping generalizations that the military backs bush/mccain. It's all made up. You deserve whatever criticism you receive. Did I criticize your intelligence when you said her interview was "superb?" No, I gave specific examples as to why she wasn't.
Have you provided any examples as to how she WAS "superb?" No, you made wild allegations about Charlie Gibson. When you delve into fantasy, you deserve the mocking you receive.
And speaking of Charlie Gibson...why was he given the job after botching the mccain interview? I can't say for sure, but I'm willing to bet that the GOP handed him the interview because he has a reputation as NOT being a hard-hitter.
But...even that proved to be too much for Ms. Palin so her next interview will be with sean hannity.
I hope that clears up your confusion on the matter.
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Sarge
Anyone with any brains whatsoever who watched that interview knows that Palin, despite having limited foreign policy experience, has enough knowledge and certainly more than enough moral character and fortitude to carry out the duties of the vice president, and, if called upon, the president.
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Taka313
You see sarge, Again, I really liked the part where you backed up your assertion with....absolutely nothing at all.
Just blind assertion and blind allegiance.
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TheIraqSurge
Palin showed she has real potential. Any neutral observer would be mighty impressed with her after the interview.
I don't know why Obama doesn't just concentrate on policies rather than attacking the Republicans.
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zurcronium
note to sarge, look up electoral college. Also note the 2000 election, who won the popular vote and who stole the presidency.
history lessons for republicans. They repeat themselves cause that are unable to remember anything.
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TaskForce121
If we got down to policies the Republicans would win hands down. Obama is constantly attacking and sniping, it is really bad form, the guy has no class.
Vote McCain and Palin for a class act.
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Sarge
"like your sweeping generalizations that the military backs bush/mccain. It's all made up."
Did Gallup make this up? Read it and weep:
www.gallup.com/poll/109654/Veterans-Solidly-Back-McCain.aspx
"Have you provided any examples as to how she WAS superb?"
Refer to my 9:18 post.
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Sarge
TheIraqSurge - ( nice handle! ) - "Any neutral observer would be mighty impressed with her after the interview."
Absolutely. Unfortunately the liberals can't see through their hate.
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Taka313
sarge,
You mean the post where you made up "still not understanding" based on nothing? Is that the post we're talking about?
I would like to take this time to rescind my earlier the baby steps post.
However, I sincerely congratulate you on your gallup poll link. THAT is defending your point of view and not just making things up, as you often do. I counter with the fact that veterans and active duty military are, in fact, different, and with this:
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/08/troops-deployed-abroad-give-61.html
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Schutzstaffel
Sarge- You are very good man, who loves his country with passion.
We need conservative like you in my homeland. a country cannot be great with socialist governments, they like Obama, makes the country weak and fall to its knees.
Obama should not win, how can anyone consider him to be president, it would be downfall of America. Why does he attack McCain who is a war hero and strong conservative.
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Sarge
Taka313 - "You mean the post where you made up 'still not understanding' based on nothing"
Good grief, it's not based on nothing, it's based on Gibson obviously not comprehending what Palin was saying. Why don't you just watch the interview or read the text of it again, that might help.
Your link says 134 troops deployed abroad made contributions to Obama while 26 made contributions to McCain. Out of the hundreds of thousands of troops deployed abroad. Not very realistic, is it?
Schutzstaffel - Thanks, man.
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Taka313
What a dichotomy, you offered sarge.
Your first paragraph is complete nonsense and your second paragraph, actually presents a legitimate debate.
It's truly a shame that you feel the need to cling to the senseless parts of your posts when obviously, you ARE capable of thought.
It's like you can, but choose not to, at times.
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Schutzstaffel
Taka313- I trust the Sarge guy, he love America and is honest like McCain.
Obama cannot beat Conservatives, Republicans will ensure they stay in power. Only people with low wage and welfare will vote for Obama.
Why does he attack everyone, why not be positive? Is it because he has no ideas to make good and strong?
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DS
You may want to compare Gibson's interview with Obama and his interview with Palin. With Obama, he threw soft questions of the "how do you feel about..." variety almost exclusively. For Palin he was more confrontational.
As for McCain and email, there is a very good reason he does not use it. Due to the torture suffered in Vietnam, he is unable to use a keyboard. Wait to go Democrats, you just scored another 'own goal'.
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goodDonkey
Polls
Yesterday’s Gallup daily poll puts McCain up 48 percent to 45 percent over Obama among registered voters.
Yesterday’s Rasmussen daily poll also shows McCain up by 3 points.
Usually 3 points is within the margin of error. But I have no problem conceding that McCain is up 3 points. You guys can scream and holler now. Hoot and Howl. 52 days left and counting.
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WilliB
DS:
Was that Gibson? The one I saw was done by George Stefanpupuls (sorry, can´t remember the spelling, the ABC anchor). That was a total love fest. Only softball questions, and when Obama came out with his "my muslim faith " blunder, George was right there to help him.
Just image in the bloodbath if Palin had made a similar blunder.
Totally different standards for the candidades in the "unbiased" media.
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Badsey
Foreign Policy experience?
Alaska is about as far away from Washington DC as it gets. I would almost consider it foreign. =Alaska is "foreign policy experience"
Palin may need more "domestic policy experience" however.
People that stay in D.C. Probably have the least amount of relative experience and their views are contrary to the American populace (e.g. When McCain went to Detroit -he didn't say much to one of the cities that needs the most help)
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yabits
DS writes:
Context is critical on this. We expect Republicans to distort the conversation to their ends. After all, they were the ones who equated Sarah Palin to a pig when Obama used the metaphor of putting lipstick on one.
In the conversation, Obama was talking about Republican/right-wing blogs that refuse to acknowledge his Christian faith. Stephanopoulos asserted that John McCain never implied that Obama was Muslim or had Muslim connections. Obama replied as follows: "You're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith..."
What Obama clearly meant was that McCain never directly said that Obama was a Muslim.
Why do Republicans have to be so intellectually dishonest? I guess power means that much to them.
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yabits
My previous post was intended for WilliB.
Apologies to DS.
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Betzee
Yabits,
The comment from Palin was bizarre beyond belief when she declared that Americans don't want “somebody’s big fat résumé maybe that shows decades and decades in that Washington establishment where, yes, they’ve had opportunities to meet heads of state.”
Huh? I thought this was John McCain's calling card. Apparently he doesn't feel it's sufficient, having run an ad stating that Obama supported comprehensive sex ed for kindergarteners. In fact the legislation Obama supported aimed to teach mentally disabled kids how to recognize sexual predators.
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goodDonkey
In an interview Friday on the NY1 cable news channel, a McCain supporter, Senator Orrin G. Hatch of Utah, called “ridiculous” the implication that Mr. Obama’s “lipstick on a pig” comment was a reference to Ms. Palin; Senator Hatch is a very conservative Republican.
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goodDonkey
Joy Behar said McCain approves of lies to his face.
On Friday on “The View,” generally friendly territory for politicians, one co-host, Joy Behar, criticized his new advertisements. “We know that those two ads are untrue,” Ms. Behar said. “They are lies. And yet you, at the end of it, say, "I approve these messages.""
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goodDonkey
McCain was called to the carpet by factcheck.org. Factcheck.org said McCain was fibbing again.
In a 30-second TV ad playing in battleground states called "Fact Check," the McCain campaign cites the nonpartisan political advertising watchdog Factcheck.org as saying Obama's attacks on Palin were "completely false" and "misleading."
Factcheck.org didn't say that. Says who? Factcheck.org: "We have yet to dispute any claim from the Obama campaign about Palin," the Web site said.
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goodDonkey
Palin told ABC's Charlie Gibson Thursday that she had never met a foreign head of state. Said Palin: "I think if you go back in history and you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer.
NOT!
Every vice presidential candidate still alive reported that they had met at least one head of state. That's in the last 32 years, according to ABC news research.
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goodDonkey
McCain had more trouble with the ladies on The view:
Co-host Barbara Walters asked about Palin's reformist credentials, noting McCain has served in Washington for more than two decades and asking repeatedly, "Who's she going to reform, you?"
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goodDonkey
Barbara Walters rang his bell again:
"The fact is she was a reform governor, she took on an incumbent governor of her own party and defeated him. She sold the airplane and fired the chef," McCain said, referring to Palin's efforts to put her predecessor's state jet up for auction on eBay and her dismissal of the governor's personal chef.
"She sold the airplane at a loss," Walters interrupted.
(The jet failed to draw sufficient bids on eBay and later was sold at a loss through an ordinary aircraft brokerage.)
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Taka313
Good Donkey, I saw the clips from The View also.
The thing is, candidate mccain simply denied that they were lies. He offered no explanation as to why that was the case. We are all just supposed to take his word as gospel.
Perhaps candidate mccain should also stick only doing interviews on fox.
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TaskForce121
Taka313; McCain does not btell lies. I have followed his career, and i have yet to find any reason to doubt his honesty.
Obama can attack with all his allies, but McCain will not flinch, as he has no weaknesses for Obama to attack.
mcCain is leading by approx 6% at present.
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Nessie
The bottom line is that she doesn't fly on a private jet. That's a good think.
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DS
Watching "The View" for anything but entertainment is like watching The OReilly Factor for hard news.
Check Gibson interviewing Obama in June vs. Palin in September. Totally different questions and attitude.
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Alinsky4prez
I'm so PROUD of Barack's allies in the media. They edited the Gibson interview to make palin appear more hawkish and less well-informed than she might really be. And best of all the most-talked about portions of the interview were the most heavily edited.
The repubs are going wild. Haahahahahahaha. Too funny!
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yabits
Betzee,
McCain's "sex education" ad shows him to have become dishonorable. He could not defeat the dishonorable people who slimed him in 2000, and so he has now joined them.
Palin's foreign relations credentials are lighter than a cream puff. With Russia reasserting itself in the region, the chances for conflict (and disaster) escalate if the next administration is not both extremely intelligent and tuned in to the complexities inherent in the many flashpoints around the world. McCain-Palin only serve to raise confidence in blind believers.
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yabits
From Tom Friedman's column in the New York Times:
"I respected McCain’s willingness to support the troop surge in Iraq, even if it was going to cost him the Republican nomination. Now the same guy, who would not sell his soul to win his party’s nomination, is ready to sell every piece of his soul to win the presidency.
"In order to disguise the fact that the core of his campaign is to continue the same Bush policies that have led 80 percent of the country to conclude we’re on the wrong track, McCain has decided to play the culture-war card. Obama may be a bit professorial, but at least he is trying to unite the country to face the real issues rather than divide us over cultural differences.
"A Washington Post editorial on Thursday put it well: “On a day when the Congressional Budget Office warned of looming deficits and a grim economic outlook, when the stock market faltered even in the wake of the government’s rescue of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, when President Bush discussed the road ahead in Iraq and Afghanistan, on what did the campaign of Senator John McCain spend its energy? A conference call to denounce Senator Barack Obama for using the phrase ‘lipstick on a pig’ and a new television ad accusing the Democrat of wanting to teach kindergartners about sex before they learn to read.” ....
"I don’t know how much steel is in Obama’s belly, but I do know that the issues he is focusing on in this campaign — improving education and health care, dealing with the deficit and forging a real energy policy based on building a whole new energy infrastructure — are the only way we can put steel back into America’s spine. McCain, alas, has abandoned those issues for the culture-war strategy.
"Who cares how much steel John McCain has in his gut when the steel that today holds up our bridges, railroads, nuclear reactors and other infrastructure is rusting? McCain talks about how he would build dozens of nuclear power plants. Oh, really? They go for $10 billion a pop. Where is the money going to come from? From lowering taxes? From banning abortions? From borrowing more from China? From having Sarah Palin “reform” Washington — as if she has any more clue how to do that than the first 100 names in the D.C. phonebook?"
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yabits
Former Republican Senator Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island recently referred to Sarah Palin as a "cocky wacko." Chafee is one of many moderate Republicans supporting Obama.
Which causes me to wonder what Connecticut senator Joe Lieberman would say if grilled about his thoughts on Sarah Palin's foreign policy experience. After all, foreign affairs, especially in the Middle East, is one of Senator Lieberman's biggest concerns. Would he answer such questions honestly or would he try to tap dance around them?
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yabits
What does Tom Friedman know about anything anyway? He has only won the Pulitzer Prize in both 1983 and 1988 and again in 2000.
Joe Liberman is a Republican now and he will follow the party line and do as he is told.
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Alinsky4prez
Hard to believe he was our Veep choice 8 years ago isnt it.
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yabits
goodDonkey,
Although I disagree with Joe Lieberman's views on the war/surge in Iraq, I still respect him as a guy who works on the correct side of a lot of issues. I recall how the Republican right-wingers castigated former Vermont senator, Jim Jeffords, when he left the Republicans, and I really don't like seeing Democrats acting the same way towards Lieberman. He represents an important link to a segment of the party that has included folks like Sam Nunn and Henry Jackson.
I read that Joe is now helping to coach Palin on foreign affairs, which means he is getting a very good look at what this woman's leadership capabilities truly are. I bet that he's starting to have serious reservations about her. C'mon, Joe, how's about a comparison with Golda Meir? Is Palin what Lincoln Chafee says she is?
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yabits
This is a long distance race, and leads will change from time to time. If and when the necessary numbers of American people decide that the traits intelligence, wisdom and vision are more important than platitudes or party doctrine, then the appropriate winner will emerge. The key is getting people to act from their aspirations for this country, rather than their fears.
Otherwise, we get more of the same that we've had for the past 8 years.
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goodDonkey
yabits
I liked Sam Nunn, I remember him as one of the Blue Dog Democrats. I just haven't liked anything I have heard out of Joe's mouth lately. I think he caught some contagious conservative virus when Bush kissed him.
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Bento
well its october the 16th now Colamerica and i`m afraid your prediction was a little off target..you read it here last.
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