Obama rejects Bush Iraq withdrawal plan

Wednesday 10th September, 06:27 AM JST

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RomeoRamenII at 12:02 AM JST - 11th September

obama will not win the election because he's too busy going after the Republican VP candidate rather than the presidential candidate, calling her a liar and pig.

His less than presidential demeanor, along with his missing in action sidekick, will ensure a Republican victory.

RR
USNinJapan2 at 12:37 AM JST - 11th September

goodDonkey

Yes, the Clinton years weren't bad economically, but that's about it. Sorry to hear that you've been so down and out these past 8 years and that your view of the world today is so bleak. That's really a shame, but really, why the hell should I care about your circumstances? I'm doing just fine thank you very much and am doing better now than I did during the Clinton years. I am naturally going to vote for the party and candidate who is going to ensure that MY personal success continues, not necessarily YOURS. Would you expect me to do anything other than what's in my serlf interest? After all that's what you're going to do.
goodDonkey at 01:16 AM JST - 11th September

USNinJapan2

Nice Red Herring. I have been racking up degrees which serve me quite nicely thank you for asking. But you comment speaks volumes about who you are. Your concern is for yourself; screw Americans less fortunate than you. I am grateful to be born in America; I am grateful to be born very intelligent. I want to reach out to others born less fortunate in other countries. For those Americans who do not share my level of education I want the best for them. I will always vote to do what is best for the many and not worry about my personal interests. I can take care of myself I do not need to vote in people to look out for my self interests; I vote in people who look out for the nation's best interests. I hope they never erase your comment.

After all that's what you're going to do.

You have no idea what I do. You are so self absorbed you could never imagine what others are thinking much less what others less fortunate than you are going through. Don't try to play like you are better than others and that is what people better than others do. Warren Buffet is so much more successful than everyone you will ever know put together in your entire lifetime. He does not vote for people who will carry out his self interests; he is interested in the good of society.

I noticed you could not address any of the real issues I brought up. I will keep it simple and address the topic of the thread and request your reply.

I Said:

We now have more terrorists in the world that are not Taliban/Al Qaeda and we have more terrorists who are Taliban/Al Qaeda. But you describe that as "the surge worked."

And I Said:

You accept that having Osama bin Laden cornered at Tora Bora and then letting him escape because the executive branch refused to support the CIA with the Army Rangers and then allowing the span of the Afghanistan/American war to be 6 years without total defeat and significant progress in rebuilding, as being a good way to portray America's military?

The Article Said:

“Now, the choice for the American people could not be clearer. John McCain has been talking a lot about change, but he’s running for four more years of the same foreign policy that we’ve had under George Bush. Sen McCain will continue the overwhelming focus on Iraq that has taken our eye off of the terrorists who actually attacked us on 9/11,” Obama said.
DanManjt at 01:27 AM JST - 11th September

Bush Iraq withdrawal plan

What withdrawal plan? There is no Iraq withdrawal plan,
goodDonkey at 01:36 AM JST - 11th September

DanManjt

That was just a typing error, it meant to say Bush Pseudo Iraq Withdrawal Plan to Get McCain Elected to a Bush Third Term Plan
Good_Jorb at 01:44 AM JST - 11th September

I'm doing just fine thank you very much and am doing better now than I did during the Clinton years.

As a Canadian, I have been doing much better now than during the Clinton years. With the US$ lossing as much value as it has, my relative purchasing power has increased 20%. Since the price of oil is the primary cause for CDN$ to gain(Canada is biggest supplier of oil to the US) and the US$ to drop and one the biggest buyers of light sweet crude oil is the US forces. I suppose it would be in my self interest(if I were a Mammon-worshipper) to hope for McCain to win.
adaydream at 01:53 AM JST - 11th September

RomeoRamenII - Like you haven't called Obama worse right here on JT. Don't even say find them because they've been deleted over and over again.

Maybe as a jew (you stated you were the other day) you have never heard the statement, "you can put lipstick on a pig and you still got a pig."

But when Sarah hits back at earmarks, she just a damn hypocrit.

But the military movement by george buah is nothing more than poppy-cock. he's doing nothing. Except for his lieing and his hiding of the true facts to get involved in Iraq, he's done nothing just like now.

But continue to repeat what the conservative media and the republicans want to talk about. This does nothing to bring forth the truth. < :-)
RomeoRamenII at 01:56 AM JST - 11th September

obama can campaign against Mr. Bush all he wants (apparently none of his 300 advisers told him Mr. Bush is not running for re-election). He'll never be elected U.S. President.

obama's biggest hurdle has always been trying to connect with working-class (Bible and gun hugging) swing voters. However, his advisers foolishly told him to instead launch an attack on Sarah Palin, the poster child for American small-town values.

Bad strategy, Team obama.

While obama didn't personally engage in the smear campaign directed at Mrs. Palin, he did trip up by disrespecting her origins. Remember, Team obama's initial response after Mr. McCain announced she was going to be his running mate was to ridicule the size of the Alaskan town she came from. That was followed obama himself beginning to refer to her as a "former mayor" when she is actually a sitting governor.

She justifiably struck back by chiding him about his time as a community organizer, which clearly paniced Team obama. obama got lured into arguing about the importance of community organizing. This lead the American voters to start questioning what being a community organizer has to do with being U.S. President.

Mr. McCain's camp successfully led the Harvard lawyer into the trap where American voters are beginning to consider who has more overall government executive experience - the top of the democrat ticket or the bottom of the Republican ticket.

obama's run for U.S. President is over. But the fault of this implosion lies at the feet of the far-left wing of the DNC since they nominated their weakest candidate this time around.

RR
Badsey at 02:00 AM JST - 11th September

at the end of eight years of Clinton the economy was going bad: big companies like AOL-Time Warner, Yahoo, Enron, were taking big hits and many Internet companies went bust.

The homebuilding boom was because the Gov lowered interest rates = people bought houses. -and this helped a recession. =we are now paying for these low interest rates.

Obama is right in that the War in Iraq must end. -the sooner the better. People must be responsible for their own nation and Canadians must stop shopping in the U.S.
SezWho2 at 02:07 AM JST - 11th September

adaydream,

I don't mind disagreeing. I'd just like to know what I'm disagreeing about and what your reasons are for the disagreement. I can only guess that either you think Bush's plan is not politically motivated or that, if politically motivated, it will not be effective. If it's either of those two then, yes, we disagree. Absent a statement of reasons, neither agreement nor disagreement have much power--unless, of course, you're just voting.
SezWho2 at 02:20 AM JST - 11th September

RomeoRamenII,

When did Obama call Palin a pig? Do you never tire of making things up? of attempting to divert and distort?

The expression "to put lipstick on a pig" is at least 20 years old, probably older, and the clear meaning is "to make a meaningless, prettifying change". That is the context in which Obama clearly spoke when he itemized the similarities between McCain's program and Bush's and then observed that there was nothing of substance left and that McCain's use of the word "change" was vapid.

Of course, if you consider Palin to be lipstick on a pig, that's a different matter. But don't blame Obama for the opportunistic inferences that you make.

Moderator: Readers, no more references to "lipstick on a pig" on this thread please.
adaydream at 02:36 AM JST - 11th September

You disagreed with my post and I disagreed with your post SezWho2 at 04:39 PM JST - 10th September

I think this plan is an example of him being a strong asset.

Good for you. But I don't think of him being a strong asset.

I think george bush is the legacy of failure.

he had the chance to show his leadership when we went into Afghanistan, but he chose to start a war of choice and allowed the Afghan war suffer for his cronies. < :-)
Good_Jorb at 02:41 AM JST - 11th September

People must be responsible for their own nation and Canadians must stop shopping in the U.S.

That would mean that the US would have to reduce/replace the energy it uses by 66.19%(which would mean no longer being in Iraq). Energy reduction and no more Iraq War, the two things I would think the US should be concerned about. Until that is achieved other nations will enjoy the transfer of wealth that is occuring at the moment.
SezWho2 at 06:39 AM JST - 11th September

adaydream,

I don't think of George W. Bush as being a strong asset, either--at least, not to the country. And I basically agree with what you have said in your post.

My point was that he can fail and still be an asset to his party and McCain if he can make Iraq disappear from the headlines and take some of the wind out of Obama's sails. Iraq is far from settled, but Bush has managed to make it go away.
adaydream at 06:59 AM JST - 11th September

SezWho2 - Oh-h-h-h.

Maybe.

This new information that's coming out might ruin that.

But I see your point.

Take Care. < :-)