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Sarge
"hailing substantial progress"
Ironic that if he'd been president from 2001 to 2009, Iraq would still be being run into the ground by an awful dictator.
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DenDon
where did you buy that reverse crystal ball? don quixote or dyso?
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Sarge
"where did you buy that reverse crystal ball? don quixote or dyso?"
Apparently, incredibly, you are unaware that Obama was against the liberation of Iraq.
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Sarge
"We believe that the future does not belong to those who would destroy; it belongs to those who would build"
Yes, thanks to Obama's predecessor.
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DenDon
apparently sarge incredibly you are unaware of anything resembling reality and prefer to live in a world of ifs, what ifs and chuck norris scripts
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DenDon
look, there you go again....
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USAFdude
Ironic that if he'd been president from 2001 to 2009, America would never have been run into the ground by an awful dictator.
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Sarge
I'd respond to USAFdude's 11:56 post but it's off topic as well as inaccuate.
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Sarge
inaccurate.
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Sarge
"Overall we have been very encouraged by the progress that has been made."
Most of which took place before Obama became president.
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USAFdude
I'd respond to USAFdude's 11:56 post but it's off topic as well as inaccuate.
Sarge. Gutless. Troll.
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smithinjapan
USAFdude: You're bang on, on both the comments on the thread and on sarge.
For the latter, don't worry to much. He's been unable to answer any direct questions on any threads recently and seems able to resort to little more than "(s)He is not" as an argument. I use to give the guy a little credit back in the day, but I think the beating last November just shook him up too much.
As for Obama, it's good that the US has a president who actually says what he means and lives up to his promises. It may not be as soon as he originally promised, but of course these things take time, and at least he hasn't given up and/or lied to the public, 'like his predecessor'.
And agreed as well, if the US had never left Afghanistan to take pressure off the inability to find OBL by illegally invading a sovereign nation, things would be a lot better in the ME and the US wouldn't be broke. Hell, the Republicans might even be in power still... so I guess we DO have bush to thank for that (progress) at least.
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Sarge
I see that DenDon, USAFdude and smithinjapan are unable to refute the irony of President Obama's lauding of Iraq's substantial progress. President Obama did everything he could to bring about our defeat in Iraq while his predecessor was in office.
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timorborder
Just in case you didn't hear it the first time around. Although I hate to say it, Mr. Obama is beginning to grate on the nerves with all this rehashing of his electoral success (well there wasn't much competition). He should just get on with the job of being president, while running roughshod over the rump that is or was the GOP.
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sailwind
It would have been nice if our President would have at least given a little credit to the folks that made this progress possible in the first place......The U.S Military who held it together for so long so he can be at this point in the first place.
I guess that is a little to much to ask of him right now.
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sailwind
I retract my post.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/22/AR2009072202401.html
It would have been nice if this article would have seemed fit to include that also instead.
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smithinjapan
sarge: "I see that DenDon, USAFdude and smithinjapan..."
In other words, pretty much everyone on this thread but little old you.
"President Obama did everything he could to bring about our defeat in Iraq while his predecessor was in office."
Naivete at its worst. When you can't even admit that a woman is leaving her post in her first term, and lie about your age, why should anyone put any weight behind your criticism of their comments? I mean, granted, the beats your 'No (s)he's not' defense, but don't come on here saying 'people can't refute this and that' when it's been in front of your face for ages, and when you simply deny the facts. This was the same thing you did on the palin thread yesterday, until you ran away from answering direct questions; you said people 'can't refute her', and when it was done you simply denied or ignored it.
You see only what you want to see, sarge, bottom line.
Obama was not 'voting for your defeat' in Iraq -- you yourself said that he was against the illegal invasion, which means he was AGAINST the war, and the suffering, deaths, and all around losses your country and Iraqis are experiencing and will to come. That you can't admit this is simply YOUR problem. The rest of us know the truth.
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SushiSake3
Sarge, why don't you sign up and join the military (when you reach the right age, of course) and do something to protect your country instead of ridiculing people from behind your computer screen?
"We believe that the future does not belong to those who would destroy; it belongs to those who would build," Obama said.
Bush/Cheney went in and destroyed a country on completely false pretences, even when the CIA chief stated categorically to Bush nad Rumsfeld in 2003 that they could not provide any evidence of a link between 9-11 and Saddam.
Bush then later (September 2003) admitted there was no link.
Now we have a real president who - unfortunately and through no fault of his own - has to waste estrordinary amounts of time to clean up the collosal failures of the previous president.
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SushiSake3
The thing with the GOP/conservatives is that they are either completely unable or unwilling to acknowledge that the only reason there is this disaster of a war in Iraq is because the loser president - who they supported and voted for - started it.
bush was not provoked into attacking Iraq - he and Cheney chose to.
And the conservatives who are trashing President Obama are showing everyone just how imbecilic and incompetant that are at understanding this simple fact.
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smithinjapan
Sushi: "bush was not provoked into attacking Iraq - he and Cheney chose to."
The funny thing is, there are still some who will shoot back at that fact with, "9/11", or when they are grasping at straws, "We rid the world of an evil dictator". For the latter, of course, they have no answer to the inevitable, "So why not rid the world of other evil dictators if that was the reason and it was so just".
In other words, more and more excuses and denial. The only good point for them in Obama winning is that when Iraq inevitably falls they'll try to pin it on him like it was all his idea. When you point out that he cannot go back in time and did not start the war, they'll make up some other lame excuse or simply ignore the thread as sarge is now.
A sad state of affairs, all told, but at least Obama has the troops in mind when he's finally pulling them out of that hell his predecessor created for fun.
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Sarge
Obama: "it would be 'a mistake for Iraq to continue to be burdened by the sins of a deposed dictator'"
That's rich, coming from someone who supported keeping the dictator in power ( or at least didn't support deposing the dictator )
USAFdude? SushiSake3? smithinjapan?
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smithinjapan
sarge: don't pose questions when you won't bother to answer them yourself. You've proven to have no credibility on this and other issues already.
Anyway, just to entertain you slightly (though I know you'll simply ignore the truth), sure Obama rightly was against illegally invading a sovereign nation, which led to the absolute mess Iraq is in now, but that doesn't mean Obama doesn't have to deal with the aftermath now that he took over from the loon before him. Excuse #5 (after WMDs and AQ links proved to be lies), 'to depose an evil dictator', had already been carried out when Obama was voted in. The past doesn't change despite the majority of Americans knowing Iraq was a mistake. Said majority of Americans want American troops out of the debacle in Iraq, and Obama is delivering on his promise.
So, sarge, feel free to answer the other questions pointed to you on this and other threads. I'm still waiting for you to do so on the palin thread, but know you likely won't (can't).
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Madverts
An angry young man cannot debate reasonably.
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smithinjapan
Anyway, it's clear that Obama is doing the right thing for the US, and for American troops and their families. He can finally pull them out of the disgrace that is Iraq. The Republicans will be able to blame the collapse that has been coming since the invasion on Obama, of course, but that has been predicted for nearly a year, and will be nothing new (and despite them breathing a sigh of relief and secretly thanking Obama for ACTUALLY protecting them instead of putting them in harm's way).
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Madverts
smith, I think USAFdude's 12:44 PM post covered everything.
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Sarge
Madverts: An angry young man cannot debate reasonably"
smithinjapan is not as young as you may think, Madverts.
"smith, I think USAFdude's 12:44 PM post covered everything"
No, USAFdude's 12:44 PM post was simply an insult to me.
Moderator: Readers, enough of this sniping at each other.
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smithinjapan
sarge: I'm still waiting for your answers to the actual questions posed to you. Why can't you simply answer them? (that's a rhetorical question).
As for the childish cutting and pasting, grow up. You came on here posing challenges, then ignore questions, and THEN all you can do is this kind of cutting and pasting? It's no wonder no one takes you seriously.
If you really want to debate the issue, let's do that when it comes around again. But please leave your baggage at the door, and stop evading questions with clear-cut, factual answers and then posing bizarre ones based on lies. I honestly wasn't sniping when I said I'm genuinely worried about you.
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hworta269
Obama can bring home the troops because of Bush's successful handling of the war effort, which he opposed as a senator ironically. Now they are saying we will never pull out of IRaq 100 percent. Meg more broken promises from obamaromma
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