Monday May 28, 2012

After Florida win, Romney makes gaffe on poor

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    KingBasil

    May Ron Paul run independently...and win!

  • 4

    Molenir

    Sorry, but he's a nut. A likeable nut, but still a nut. Even if I happen to agree with about 70% of what he says, that 30% is what kills his chances.

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    DentShop

    girded for an epic White House clash

    Epic? Oh please. This upcoming loss could shatter the Republican party for a decade. Such a shame that the GOP has lost its way.

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    The Truth Matters

    Molenir,

    Buy a lottery ticket. You and I are in complete agreement!

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    yabits

    “This president does not understand how this economy works and I do, because I spent my life in the economy,” Romney, a former venture capitalist, told CBS.

    Romney today indicated "he's not very concerned about the poor." Wow. Romney claims the poor have all got a safety net and that if holes exist in it, he'll fix them.

    Does anyone actually believe that? After all, Romney has said he supports the Ryan Plan, which makes deep cuts in the safety net.

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    The Truth Matters

    “Second, and more ominously for Romney, his unprecedentedly negative, far-right Florida campaign continued to damage him among the swing voters he would need in November,” Cutter wrote in a campaign memo.

    Mitt really blew it in Florida. His campaign has raised a total of approximately $18 million and they spent $6 million in Florida and 90% of it was attacking Gingrich. Newt must have really gotten under their collar in South Carolina. That's not a very good return on his investment. $6 million spent and only 10% of your ads are promoting you. I don't know if you can run a campaign any worse than that. Yeah, he won the state but he spent 5 times more money than his opponent and didn't even get his own name out there. What a maroon.

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    The Truth Matters

    “Second, and more ominously for Romney, his unprecedentedly negative, far-right Florida campaign continued to damage him among the swing voters he would need in November,” Cutter wrote in a campaign memo.

    Mitt really blew it in Florida. His campaign has raised a total of approximately $18 million and they spent $6 million in Florida and 90% of it was attacking Gingrich. Newt must have really gotten under their collar in South Carolina. That's not a very good return on his investment. $6 million spent and only 10% of your ads are promoting you. I don't know if you can run a campaign any worse than that. Yeah, he won the state but he spent 5 times more money than his opponent and didn't even get his own name out there. What a maroon.

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    DentShop

    I don't know if you can run a campaign any worse than that.

    And to think that the Dems have barely spent a penny. And when it comes to fundraising - they have the master at the helm.

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    sailwind

    A actual fair and balanced article, talk about a nice change for once from the Media.

    In a CNN interview, Romney served up a sound bite—“I’m not concerned about the very poor”—which is sure to be used in attack ads and plays into a narrative that he is an uncaring, out of touch multi-millionaire.

    In the full quote, Romney says that the poor can take advantage of a social safety net which he will fix, that he does not care for the rich either but is most worried about the economic plight of the middle classes.

    But Romney’s enemies are certain to rip the comment out of that context in the vibrant heat of a presidential election.

    I'm actually impressed with the reporting here.

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    The Truth Matters

    sailwind,

    I saw the same quote and it is more than a case of another Mitt blunder. What was his exact quote? Here it is:

    "I'm not concerned about the very poor," the Republican presidential candidate said on CNN Wednesday morning. "There's a safety net there, and if it needs repair I'll fix it.

    Find the most important word in that quote. If you can't find it, I'll tell you what it is. "IF" IF it needs repair? How out of touch is Willard? The ranks of the very poor are swelling and he thinks "maybe" it's a problem but they're probably all being taken care of. "IF it needs repair." Man, I'm still shaking my head at that one.

    Mitt is starting to remind me of the time when HW Bush and Barb went to the supermarket and saw how the peasants got their groceries. They were just perplexed by how the little people operated all those machines and such.

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    The Truth Matters

    Dentshop,

    And to think that the Dems have barely spent a penny. And when it comes to fundraising - they have the master at the helm.

    While NOT taking PAC money, President Obama has still managed to out-fundraise Romney. And the president won't waste a third of his wad on NOT promoting himself.

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    sailwind

    What was his exact quote? Here it is:

    "I'm not concerned about the very poor," the Republican presidential candidate said on CNN Wednesday morning. "There's a safety net there, and if it needs repair I'll fix it.

    That is not his exact quote.......From the Washington Post (who also to its credit gave a balanced article on him)

    In an interview with CNN Wednesday morning that should have been a Florida victory lap, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney made a fumble that could give rivals an attack ad sound bite. Asked about his economic plan, Romney said repeatedly that he was not concerned with very poor Americans, but was focused instead on helping the middle class. Romney explained that he was confident that food stamps, housing vouchers, Medicaid and other assistance would keep the poor afloat — he pledged to fix holes in that safety net “if it needs repair.” He repeated past statements that his main focus is the middle class because those people, in his opinion, have been hardest hit by the recession (President Obama also has focused many of his efforts on the middle class). But Romney’s awkward phrasing could give fuel to critics who argue that he does not empathize with the poorest Americans.

  • 4

    SuperLib

    I get his point, but it shouldn't have been said...

  • 2

    MaboDofuIsSpicy

    Why would anyone want to be president?

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    zurcronium

    Of course he does not care about the 40% of america that is poor. They do not contribute to his campaign. Only the rich do. That is who he really cares about as is the case with almost all republicans. 90% of their funding comes from the top 1% in wealth in the US. Just follow the money. Romney actually is a shill for the rich and of course is super rich himself from firing people in the companies he LBOed at Bain. Romney yesterday was asking for $1 million dollar donations from the rich for his campaign. Don't care about the poor but if you are rich give me $1 million and I will work for you so you pay less in taxes as a percent than the working poor.

    Unless you are super rich, voting for the republicans is just plain stupid.

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    yabits

    Find the most important word in that quote. If you can't find it, I'll tell you what it is. "IF" IF it needs repair? How out of touch is Willard?

    He's either terribly out of touch or a delusional liar. He can't be about repairing the safety net and touting the Ryan Plan at the same time. The Ryan Plan promotes deep cuts in social spending.

    Romney claims he doesn't care about the super-rich. His touted plans will cut taxes even further for them. Who is going to pick up the tab for those lost revenues? The same 90% he claims to care about? (Who else?)

    We should recall the campaign of 2000, when the Republican candidate told the American people that he could do the following three things: 1) give a giant tax cut heavily skewed towards upper incomes; 2) maintain the projected surpluses while shoring up Social Security; and 3) fund a trillion-dollar special account for defense contingencies. The moderate/centrist New Republic immediately put out an issue with the following words emblazoned on the cover: He's LYING!!

    That Republican's business "expertise" was held up as a great positive against his Democratic opponent, who predicted that Bush's plans would drive the U.S. back into deep deficit spending. (He was proven right.)

    Anyone promoting the Ryan Plan and claiming he's going to "fix" the safety net is not telling the truth. These Republicans continually play the most gullible Americans for suckers.

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    yabits

    Romney explained that he was confident that food stamps, housing vouchers, Medicaid and other assistance would keep the poor afloat — he pledged to fix holes in that safety net “if it needs repair.”

    He's LYING!!

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    Pruitt Igoe 72

    OMG ! What a gaffe. It is worse than his 10 thousand dollar bet gaffe ! He is a delusional liar who just wants to extend the Bush tax cuts and the Patriot Act.

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    smithinjapan

    “Of course I’m concerned about all Americans..."

    Yeah, except that you JUST said you are NOT concerned about A and C, only B. How does that mean you're concerned about everyone? If I were to say to my wife or even just an acquaintance: "I don't care about your problems" and then in the subsequent attempt to dodge bullets say, "Of COURSE I care about your problems, you just have to look at the context; I'm focussing on other people instead!" it's not going to fly very well.

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    Pruitt Igoe 72

    Hah ha ha Gingrich timing could not be worse. He lost in Fla. but experts say his moon base dream is actually possible.

    http://news.yahoo.com/experts-gingrich-moon-dreams-not-lunacy-193413663.html

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    The Truth Matters

    sailwind,

    If that is not Mitt Romney's quote, can you provide me with EXACTLY what he said? What I provided was attributed to Romney and was in quotations. In the news business, that's known as a quote.

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    cleo

    food stamps, housing vouchers, Medicaid and other assistance would keep the poor afloat

    No wonder the rich think the poor are a burden. How about providing more jobs so that people can earn a living wage?

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    sailwind

    The exact quote in the news business this is known as context.

    "I'm not concerned about the very poor," he said. "There's a safety net there, and if it needs repair I'll fix it. I'm not concerned about the very rich, they're doing just fine. I'm concerned about the heart of America, the 95% of Americans who are right now struggling."

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    Pruitt Igoe 72

    “I’m not concerned about the very rich, they’re doing just fine,” Romney, a former venture capital boss who lives off his investments, told CNN."

    Reporters have until about August to stop presenting plutocrat Romney in a positive light, if you ask me . It's too dangerous. Reporting should be more carefully edited. Romney is an extremist and should be portrayed like that cause it is who he is.

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    pamelot

    The ranks of the very poor are swelling and he thinks "maybe" it's a problem but they're probably all being taken care of. "IF it needs repair." Man, I'm still shaking my head at that one.

    A family of four, making mininum wage, has more disposible income, than a family of 4 making $60, 000.00 a year.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2010/11/outrage-head-of-household-0f-4-on-minimum-wage-has-more-disposable-income-than-family-making-60000-a-year/

    The poor are eligible for all kinds of assistance. Not so, the tax-paying middle class.

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    LH10

    AHHH! VOTE FOR RON PAUL!!!! he's been through war and he'll save the amerikans omg u ppl will vote for your own deaths -_-#

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    SimondB

    America, an empire in decline.

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    Serrano

    Romney's "gaffe" is nothing compared to what Obama said to a woman in a Q&A session the other day:

    Woman: My husband has an engineering degree with over 10 years' experience. He was laid off 3 years ago. He has yet to find a permanent job in his field. My question to you is, why does the government continue to issue and extend H-1B visas when there are tons of Americans just like my husband with no jobs?

    Obama: I can tell you that there's a huge demand around the country for engineers... what industry tells me is that they don't have enough highly skilled engineers. If your husband's in that field, uh, then we should get his resume and I'll foward it to some of these companies that are telling me that they can't find enough engineers."

    Woman: Well, he's a semi-conductor engineer.

    Obama: I meant what I said, if you send me your husband's resume, I'd be interested in finding out exactly what's happening right there because the word we're getting is that somebody in that kind of high-tech field, that kind of engineer, should be able to find something right away.

    Translation: Why, our economy's coming back, we need engineers left and right, there's no reason your stupid idiotic husband can't find a job, send me his resume, let me find out what the hell's wrong with this idiot.

    Talk about out of touch.

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    Serrano

    "America, an empire in decline"

    We're not an empire, but we are indeed in decline, thanks to Obama and the Democrats.

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    viking68

    But Romney’s awkward phrasing could give fuel to critics who argue that he does not empathize with the poorest Americans.

    The empathy I see from him relates to knowing what people want to hear. He doesn't and can't relate to the poorest Americans. He's been well off his whole life and probably has been hungry at most ten minutes from late waiters or cooks.

    What was Ross Perow's gaff (can't remember how to spell the name now)? Those people or something like that.

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    Sarcasm321

    Mitt "let them eat cake" Romney Vs. Barack "Uh, where's the teleprompter?" Obama

    Wow, you yanks are spoilt for choice!

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    CapnSinbad

    Although I'm not American I have many friends who are, one of whom is a staunch Repub like his rich old man and he sincerely believes that everything that is wrong with the States is the fault of the last few Dem prezzes like Obama, Clinton, and Carter and that when anything good happened during their presidencies it was thanks to former Repub prezzes Reagan and Bushes. You can't win with them, it's always the Dems fault no matter what. Wealthy Repubs like multi-multi-millionaire Romney and his ilk thinks it's a bad idea to give poor people gov't-sponsored health care ? What on earth could possibly be wrong with this miracle of an idea ? It's madness, madness.

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    Pruitt Igoe 72

    How about providing more jobs so that people can earn a living wage?

    And not just any jobs I would say. The government must provide GREEN economy jobs that pay a good wage (minimum of $100,000 a year, that's what goverment workers are aveageing these days) and offer benefits. We need millions of green jobs. And we need free health care. Now, not in 2014. Also, you sholdn't need to pay for legal services. Lawyers need more skin the game. Plus, there is no reason why education can't be free in a country as rich as America . I am hoping President Obama will keep his promise to make mortgages affordable, and pass laws that cancel the student loan debts of people like me.

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    oberst

    the very poor ? Not a problem under Mitt's administration...................they will just deport themselves.

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    just-a-bigguy

    With Mr Romney remarks, we sees the true face of a coming 'tyranny'!

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    Pruitt Igoe 72

    Although I'm not American I have many friends who are, one of whom is a staunch Repub like his rich old man and he sincerely believes that everything that is wrong with the States is the fault of the last few Dem prezzes like Obama, Clinton, and Carter and that when anything good happened during their presidencies it was thanks to former Repub prezzes Reagan and Bushes

    .I am encouraged by that post.If non Americans accept that stereotype there is still a good chance we get normal Americans to accept it.

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    just-a-bigguy

    Four or eight years from 2013....you guys will see thousand of poor families, widow/orphan of soldiers killed in action, homeless veterans,children doing drugs and much much more..... everyone struggling their hardships across the 52 states and Mr Romney having a lesture life in his ranch just like Bush Jr is having now in Texas! Until then, the nation will be at the condition like Germany 1920!

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    oberst

    “I’m not concerned about the very rich, they’re doing just fine,” ....................................read leave us alone, don't even think about taking away the tax loopholes.

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    Pruitt Igoe 72

    With Mr Romney remarks, we sees the true face of a coming 'tyranny'!

    As their governor Romney just completely tyrannized the state of Massachusetts. Ask any American you know. Horrific stuff. "Senator" Scott Brown's pickup truck is the result, its the remaining symbol of that terrifying time, Romney's reign.

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    smithinjapan

    sailwind: All you did was quote EXACTLY what was quoted in the article. It's not a soundbite, and you can paint the pig any way you like, my friend, he STILL said, and I quote, "I'm not concerned with the very poor". And what about the whole 'fix any holes' vs. the Ryan Plan which he supports? He's either going to flip-flop on that, too, or else he's lying about fixing the loopholes.

    As one poster about said, 'He's either very out of touch with reality or a bad liar'. Either way, he's not fit to be president.

    The GOP is going to suffer for years because of this primary. They need to pick up the pieces from being so badly shattered and try working on how they can better the nation instead of having "the other guy can't" as their platform.

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    SushiSake3

    This couldn't be better for the Dems.

    The longer this GOP nomination debacle plays out, the more time - and money - the GOP candidates will pour into attacking each other while simultaneously uncovering, exposing and attacking each other's weaknesses.

    That's what the Dems should be doing, but the GOP is doing it for them. That's just hilarious. :-)

    So while the Dems and us Global Libs sit back and laugh at the GOP implosion, the GOP candidates are not only screwing each other, they're also highlighting each others' weaknesses that Obama and the Dems will be able to attack.

    I'm wondering how, later this year, the surviving GOP candidates/frontrunner will be able to survive a week or two of $10 million/day Dem SuperPAC attacks....

    As I've said before - where's the GOP strategy to win?

    They are destroying each other and bringing the party down at the same time.

    That's not a strategy - that's outright lunacy.

    Honestly, they would probably give themselves a far greater chance of winning if they adopted Communist China tactics - have the party hierachy select a candidate.

    Then there'd be no hugely destructive campaigning and no millions of campaign dollars totally wasted on attacking members of THEIR OWN PARTY.

    By have the party hierachy select a candidate, the selected candidate would be flush with money and wouldn't have had to spend month getting hammered.

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    SushiSake3

    This GOP nomination process is a recipe for disaster.

    We are witnessing the destruction of the GOP in its present state.

    Whoever they pick in the end - not that it matters - will be a shadow of his former self and will be wide open to potentially up to a trillion $$ in Dem SuperPAC carpet bombing.

    Add to that, the influence of the TP: forcing the GOP further and further right, shrinking the eligible base down to the nutjob extremists and alienating their own moderates.

    On top of that, the GOP voting stats in Florida were terrible - only about 35% of registered conservatives bothered to get out and vote.

    The 2012 election cycle is not just looking grim for the GOP - we're looking at a rout of the Right.

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    SushiSake3

    Serrano - "We're not an empire, but we are indeed in decline, thanks to Obama and the Democrats."

    Sheeeeesssh......if Serrano had his way, American history would start from the day president Obama entered office.....

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    Ben_Jackinoff

    the GOP candidates will pour into attacking each other while simultaneously uncovering, exposing and attacking each other's weaknesses.

    That's true. Obama and Clinton never attack each other or uncovered, exposed and attacked each other's weaknesses. This is the first time such a thing has ever happened in the history of US politics. Perhaps Guiness will add this to their book next year.

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    RomeoR

    Romney has a point. It is the middle class that is struggling the most. The very poor qualify for food stamps, medical care, housing assistance, etc. Meanwhile, It is the middle class that makes too little to afford quality medical, education, housing, etc., earn too much to qualify for assistance who're treading water just keep their heads above the surface in Obama's economy.

    RR

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    SushiSake3

    Ben, heavy sarcasm noted.

    But nice to see this time only one party is eating itself.

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    Madverts

    " This is the first time such a thing has ever happened in the history of US politics."

    If the trend continues surely the Republican party willl self destruct under ther wieght of it's own bitterness, selfishness, anger and negativity to bring about the return of real democracy - to the country that has been lumbererd with a stale two-party system for oh-so long. That would be an exciting thing to see, a kind of mini-revolution.

    I keep telling myself this election can't be a forgone conclusion, but even the more moderate Romney seems woefully out of touch each time he opens up his mouth, even if some of the supporters would rather blame media bias over reality.

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    Ben_Jackinoff

    But nice to see this time only one party is eating itself.

    You probably have not as yet had a chance to notice, but Obama is the only one running on the Democrat side this time.

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    Ben_Jackinoff

    If the trend continues surely the Republican party willl self destruct under ther wieght of it's own bitterness

    I have not seen very much bitterness out of Romney, nor Paul, who sadly is a probably well meaning nut.

    I think too many people place way to much weight upon sound bites and live shots that are, whether positive or negative, generally taken out of or never were in context.

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    Madverts

    " It is the middle class that makes too little to afford quality medical, education, housing, etc., earn too much to qualify for assistance who're treading water just keep their heads above the surface in Obama's economy."

    Would that be the people that have been living beyond their means for the last 30 odd years ?

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    Ben_Jackinoff

    Would that be the people that have been living beyond their means for the last 30 odd years ?

    No, it would not.

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    Madverts

    I meant the party in general. Pithy obstructionism and screaming personal attacks are not going to help America on the road to recovery. Some of the hardcore partisans on this thread were claiming Mr Obama the worst president ever before his actual inauguration. Do these people actually deserve a vote?

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    Laguna

    As usual, whatever Mitt says is of no consequence. A Romney presidency would be trickle down redux. All expressions of compassion and support for the struggling middle class would be boiled down and encapsulated in their bromide of "job creation." The Bush tax cuts would be made permanent, making savage cuts to social programs that do benefit the middle class the only way to avoid bankrupting the US.

    Poor guy, he can't even commit a revealing gaffe without exposing his vacuousness.

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    Madverts

    "No, it would not."

    Can't agree with you there. People living beyond their means and bankers allowing the folly is the whole reason we're globally in this mess.

  • 1

    KingBasil

    If you read any posts here it should be those by Yabits.

    While so many, including the press, are so happy to reduce this to one sentence, out of context soundbite (which is never fair), Yabits is looking at the big picture.

    The statement that the is "not very concerned about the very poor" is in itself perfectly reasonable. He even clarified that its the 90 to 95 percent of other Americans, damn near all of us, where his focus is. You can't please everyone anyway.

    This atmosphere where a politician has to balance every damned word on the head of a pin is stupid. Its backward. Its detrimental to the state of politics. Don't be a sound bite munching moron. He is a liar and/or a fool for the reasons Yabits clearly laid out, not a string of words into which people are reading entirely too much into while going completely against the rest of what he clearly said.

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    sailwind

    Have to admit Mitt is a little behind on getting the word out that he's more concerned right now about America's Middle Class and that is his priority..

    For 2012, White House casts President Obama as warrior for the middle class By Amie Parnes - 12/29/11 06:00 AM ET

    President Obama’s latest makeover casts him as a middle-class warrior — a campaign theme his team thinks will resonate with voters in 2012.

    After struggling to find a winning message, the president has amped up his role as defender of the middle class and been rewarded with his highest bounce in the polls in months.

    Obama' beat him to it in his latest "makeover".

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/201595-white-house-casts-obama-as-warrior-for-the-middle-class

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    SushiSake3

    Madverts - 'Can't agree with you there. People living beyond their means and bankers allowing the folly is the whole reason we're globally in this mess.'

    Have to agree with Madverts and disagree with Ben Jackinoff on this one.

    The middle class in the States - as in most developed countries - have been living way beyond their means for decades, one of the reasons we've got a problem with climate and dwindling resources.

    Govt. policies and bankers pushing cheap loans are largely behind this economic mess. 

    You only have to look to Asia to see how people can live if you downsize your life and expectations a bit.

  • -2

    SushiSake3

    The GOP is toast this election cycle and they've only got the anti-American policies of themselves and the hardliners in the TP to thank for it.

    All good. :-)

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    Ben_Jackinoff

    Madverts,

    Can't agree with you there. People living beyond their means and bankers allowing the folly is the whole reason we're globally in this mess.

    The global mess is definitely due in part to the very phenomenon you describe. However, to deny there is a suffering middle class that struggles to pay for home mortgage, food, and tuition for their family and because they have a home, that they are diligently repaying their loans for, they do not qualify for food assistance, low interest tuition loans etc without first selling their houses. They have existed for a very long time. Sure there are those, too many, living beyond their means. However, I am sure you could find quite a few of those on social welfare that are also living beyond their means as well.

    SushiSake,

    You only have to look to Asia to see how people can live if you downsize your life and expectations a bit.

    Which Asian economic success are you referring to?

    Govt. policies and bankers pushing cheap loans are largely behind this economic mess.

    Oh come on, don't be so hard on Obama's Making Home Affordable (MHA) program. He has his heart in the right place. I am sure he doesn't think those people are living beyond their means. Maybe you better get with his program if you plan to continue to trumpet his continued presidency, huh?

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    Ben_Jackinoff

    All good. :-)

    Funny how you continue to basically ignore discussing the GOP front-runner in favor of blanket statements.

  • -2

    YongYang

    President Obama is home and dry. Good work GOP. :-)

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    Serrano

    In what way would Barack Obama be a better president than any of the Republican candidates?
    Specifics, please, no "Every way comes to mind" cop-outs.

  • -3

    SushiSake3

    Ben - "Which Asian economic success are you referring to? "

    'Success."? Interesting to see how you make it seem posters used words they didn't, but I'll take the bait :-)

    Singapore would be a good example.

    Ben - "Funny how you continue to basically ignore discussing the GOP front-runner in favor of blanket statements."

    Funny how you see to have already forgotton the long discussion we had about the the GOP front-runner yesterday.

    It was only 24 hours ago.

    I've done enough research on the guy. Personally, I think you may have done too much and found yourself missing the forest for the trees.

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    Madverts

    " However, to deny there is a suffering middle class that struggles to pay for home mortgage, food, and tuition for their family and because they have a home, that they are diligently repaying their loans for, they do not qualify for food assistance, low interest tuition loans etc without first selling their houses."

    I'm supposed to empathise with people that are in up to their necks because they lived beyond their means?

    No thanks.

    The victim card is such an easy one to play.

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    Serrano

    "Obama is the only one running on the Democrat side"

    Incredible!

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    SushiSake3

    Ben - ""Obama is the only one running on the Democrat side""

    Genius like that doesn't come along often enough....:-)

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    RomeoR

    I’m concerned about the very heart of America, the 90-95% of Americans who right now are struggling

    On this point, Romney's correct. Those living at the bottom level of our society are taken care of by the government; given all kinds of perks and advantages. The rich not only have their money, but also get perks and advantages from the government. It's those of us in the middle who don't make enough to qualify for all those perks but must struggle with shrinking paychecks, rising prices and a system set up to favor the top and bottom levels.

    RR

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    SushiSake3

    There's also the plight of all of those outside America who are suffering the effects of economic downturns thanks to the fallout from largely conservative-sponsored GOP policies in the States.

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    RomeoR

    Obama is home and dry

    Considering this is the longest sustained period (36 months and running) of unemployment above 8% and we have the most people on food stamps today then at any time in the history of the program, I doubt the poor is going to be a winning issue for Obama.

    RR

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    SushiSake3

    But under which president from what party did the latest recession start?

    Obam - no, hang on, my memory is longer than that of 95% of hardline conservatives whose history of America - very strangely - seems to begin in Jamuary 2009.

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    Serrano

    But under which president from which party did the debt balloon to record highs, and unemployment rise to 10% and remain higher than at any time during George W. Bush's presidency?

  • -3

    The Truth Matters

    I absolutely cannot believe that there are middle class people here at JT who think THEY have it worse than the poor. How self-deluded and self-entitled can one individual get?

    My house is nicer, my kids go to a better school and have much better chances at a better future, I have health insurance, and I ate 3 meals today.

    Those lucky bastards and their sub-standard housing, sub-standard education, and sub-standard standard of living, they get all the breaks.

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    Fadamor

    @pamelot

    A family of four, making mininum wage, has more disposible income, than a family of 4 making $60, 000.00 a year.

    The poor are eligible for all kinds of assistance. Not so, the tax-paying middle class

    The referenced article actually talks about a "single-parent family of three" (i.e. three people) but that is irrelevant for my point. Someone making minimum wage (currently $7.25/hour) and working as much as thay could (40 hours/week, 52 weeks) would bring in $15,080 before taxes. The referenced article claims that this family would end up with $37,777 in disposable income. EPIC FAIL and here's why:

    The source's chart has some intriguing flaws... The source of the chart lists "Medicaid and CHIP" as an income at $16,500. This is insurance, not income, that only gets used if family members have to go see the doctor. And most importantly, the insurance money DOESN'T GO TO THE FAMILY, BUT TO THE PHYSICIAN/HOSPITAL. FAIL number one. Similarly, the School Lunch subsidies do not count as income because the money for the lunches goes directly to the schools. The family never sees a penny of it. FAIL number two. Section 8 Housing Assistant provides a voucher, not cash, that landlords will use to get reimbursed by the government. There is no way for the family to take that voucher and buy a soda at the local 7/11. FAIL number three.

    I imagine you get the idea, now. It is a physical impossibility to "have more disposable income" than the total amount of income you receive. No matter how many times someone tries to prove otherwise, you can't receive more than you're given. You can SPEND more than you're given, but that's called "credit", not "disposable income".

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    Ben_Jackinoff

    Singapore would be a good example.

    How so? Because it cost the equivilent of one million yen to get a driver's license? When you live in a country the size of a postage stamp and a subway to everwhere there is little need for a car. The US is slightly bigger. Try comparing apples instead of apples and elephants.

    Funny how you see to have already forgotton the long discussion we had about the the GOP front-runner yesterday.

    I guess I must have blinded by the lack of content in your half of the "discussion". Refresh my memory, please. You seem to just talk about phantom conservatives and such and instead.

    I've done enough research on the guy.

    Prove it. Tell us something you have learned, please.

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    Ben_Jackinoff

    I'm supposed to empathise with people that are in up to their necks because they lived beyond their means?

    Who said anything about living beyond their means? Please re-read what I wrote and comment again. In case you missed it, people need a place to live. They will pay it in monthly rent or loan installments. Some chose loans in order to buy, which supports the construction industry to name one. Those that choose this path are locked out of the aid I referred to. Those that choose the rent option, even if the monthly payment were to be the same amount, would not be locked out. Are we clear now? The US has new classes of people now, the working poor and the barely getting by "middle class".

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    The Truth Matters

    It's those of us in the middle who don't make enough to qualify for all those perks but must struggle with shrinking paychecks, rising prices and a system set up to favor the top and bottom levels.

    Perhaps you would like to switch places with the poor so that you too could receive all these perks they receive.

    A more disgraceful display playing of the victim card, you'll not find on the internet. Poor Ramen (Instant Ramen, that is, not that fancy store bought stuff)

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    Ben_Jackinoff

    Perhaps you would like to switch places with the poor so that you too could receive all these perks they receive.

    Anyone that says they wish they were poor would be lying, IMHO. However, US poor that do receive aid are not in danger of starvation or being homeless, etc. They do get free medical care, school lunches, plastic cards similar to credit cards with which they can buy any foods, except tabacco and alcohol they would like. Unless you have actually met people on US aid programs, you should be careful of commenting about them. The ones that suffer are the working poor who don't make enough or make barely enough to make a living and do not qualify for aid. Then, there are the increasing number of struggling 'middle class' who are becoming more and more like the working poor every year.

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    pamelot

    You can SPEND more than you're given, but that's called "credit", not "disposable income".

    No, it's called "Owe-bama", and wealth redistribution...

    All the things the poor get for "free" someone else is paying for, where ever the money goes, it is not staying in the pockets of those who earned it.

    What is the goal, for everyone to be poor?

    Middle class work hard just to stay afloat. Poor collect benefits.

    That is what Mitt Romney is referring to. The poor have safety nets, the middle class have the threat of losing everything they've worked for, as inspiration, or, more like threat- Not to get ahead, God forbid someone should have accumulated wealth, because they didn't sacrifice, and pay to get their chances, they STOLE them, right? Enjoying the fruits of your labors, is being made into a crime, a taxable one!

    And the farmer pulls another cart away...

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    pamelot

    I doubt the poor is going to be a winning issue for Obama.

    Cronies and recipients will vote for Obama.

    To receive feels a helluva lot better than to be robbed from.

    Entitlement mentality is rampant. Obama is dope. And no one likes to go to rehab, until the supply dries up.

    Let's hope the feed-up are in the majority.

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    The Truth Matters

    Pamelot,

    Middle class work hard just to stay afloat. Poor collect benefits.

    Where does this weird sense of envy come from? Why are you so jealous of people that have so little that they need to collect benefits? Is your life THAT bad? Would you like to trade places with one of the poor? I think you could work something out. Eddie Murphy and Dan Akroyd gave it go and look how that worked out!

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    yabits

    A family of four, making mininum wage, has more disposible income, than a family of 4 making $60, 000.00 a year.

    That has to rank as one of the most ridiculous statements made on this or any other forum. I pity the poor fool who actually believes it.

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    Ben_Jackinoff

    Genius like that doesn't come along often enough....:-)

    Well, he did managed to get the Nobel Peace Prize for basically doing nothing. That is a sort of genius.

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    YongYang

    @Romeo: US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January. Wot's that ya sayin'?

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    Wolfpack

    US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January. Wot's that ya sayin'?

    The recession ended two and a half years ago and now with $5 trillion in deficit spending, record amounts of money printing, and years of rock bottom interest rates with no appreciable impact on the housing industry we are supposed to believe the good times are here? The overall labor pool is millions less than it was when Obama took office despite the fact that there are 30 million more people living in the country. Hey, just stop counting the unemployed because they are discouraged about finding a job and the unemployment rate will be 0% by election day!

    More people on food stamps than ever, sky-high poverty rates, and under employment around 17%. I'm sayin' President Obama is the worst president in American history. Yeah, that's what I'm sayin'.

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