Obama says bin Laden must not be a martyr

Thursday 19th June, 06:45 AM JST

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skipthesong at 06:17 PM JST - 19th June

But he said the Nuremberg trials for the prosecution of Nazi leaders are an inspiration because the victors acted to advance universal principles and set a tone for the creation of an international order." Actually, I am surprised he said this statement.. I thought the new revisionist history was that America did nothing.
leitmotiv at 06:21 PM JST - 19th June

Barack Obama opposed it.

Of course he did. Along with so many american voters and vets and unfortunate enlisted who were forced via stop-gap to participate. He also opposed the whole "plan" cough cough to invade and occupy (illegally mind you) back in 2002. Its just one more of the many ways that he is far more qualified candidate than McSame - who has consistently carried water for the war liars. Even after they slandered his war hero status in 2004.

I mean....wtf ? These GOP guys would eat their own young if no one was looking.
RomeoRamenII at 07:27 PM JST - 19th June

the Nuremberg trials for the prosecution of Nazi leaders are an inspiration

So, to recap:

obama approves of the SCOTUS decision about granting rights to detainees. He also said on Monday that he wanted to see them have "their day in court" and cited the Nuremburg trials as the good example.

But he doesn't like the military tribunals that have been set up for the detainees however the Nuremburg trials were military tribunals.

Obviously, barack is an admirer of Ralph Waldo Emerson who wrote: "Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."

RR
Madverts at 07:39 PM JST - 19th June

ramen,

I hope all your baseless slander regarding future US president Barack Obama will cease when he becomes CoC in Jan 2009....
Madverts at 07:43 PM JST - 19th June

Of course bin-Laden shouldn't become a martyr. Clearly some people think that martyring him to all the fundies in the Islamic world would be amusing, but I note that they are the very same people who think the so-called war on terror is a success.

'Nuff said.

Bin-Laden, if still alive, should be tried for his crimes - and let's face it, there's been plenty of them - and left to rot in international prison centre in total isolation 'till he snuffs it. No contact to the outside world, no telly, no visits and no books.

For a meglomaniac of this magnitude, that is far worse than a snuffing.
leitmotiv at 07:47 PM JST - 19th June

But he doesn't like the military tribunals that have been set up for the detainees however the Nuremburg trials were military tribunals.

The Nuremberg trials became the basis of several important law bodies including the Geneva Convention and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The current kangaroo-court "trials" regarding US WoT detainees are a embarrassment to patriotic americans, an affront to the US Constitution, and a source of deep disgust in other democracies. And the SCOTUS has now agreed with this view (albeit slowly).

Both of the above trials may liguistically fall under the definition of "military tribunal" but that is basically all they have in common. There is no comparison to be made. Your point is ..... um .... moot.

Here - Ill spell it out further for the logic-challenged. Carrots and potatos are both "vegetables". But they are not the same.

Inconsistent?
leitmotiv at 07:54 PM JST - 19th June

Bin-Laden, if still alive, should be tried for his crimes - and let's face it, there's been plenty of them

Agreed. The sad thing is that a golden opportunity to do so was turned down. I dont mean the bungled Tora Bora incident. Afghanistan offered to give him up soon after 9/11 and the WH idiots refused.
Madverts at 07:57 PM JST - 19th June

"Afghanistan offered to give him up soon after 9/11 and the WH idiots refused"

Really? I thought it was Bill the Thrill that missed the oppertunity...
RedMeatKoolAid at 08:03 PM JST - 19th June

to the Moderator - what happened to my post about Obama's bizarre reference to the Nuremberg trials? They are referred to in the article above:

But he said the Nuremberg trials for the prosecution of Nazi leaders are an inspiration because the victors acted to advance universal principles and set a tone for the creation of an international order.
RedMeatKoolAid at 08:53 PM JST - 19th June

"The Nuremberg trials became the basis of several important law bodies including the Geneva Convention and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights."

Our turn for LOL. You have about the same legal acumen Barack Obama possesses.

In what universe is a declaration ("Universal Declaration of Human Rights") an "important law [ legal ] body"?

You are aware that not one single Muslim nation recognizes the UDHR ?

Your foot, that smoldering bullet hole. How do you still type?
leitmotiv at 10:02 PM JST - 19th June

Our turn for LOL. You have about the same legal acumen Barack Obama possesses.

In what universe is a declaration ("Universal Declaration of Human Rights") an "important law [ legal ] body"?

OK I'll repost it with minor correction for the over-sensitive sematicists out there. I dont think the substance of my post - which you ignore - changes at all. But enjoy your LOL.

But he doesn't like the military tribunals that have been set up for the detainees however the Nuremburg trials were military tribunals.

The Nuremberg trials became the basis of several important law CODES including the Geneva Convention and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The current kangaroo-court "trials" regarding US WoT detainees are a embarrassment to patriotic americans, an affront to the US Constitution, and a source of deep disgust in other democracies. And the SCOTUS has now agreed with this view (albeit slowly).

Both of the above trials may liguistically fall under the definition of "military tribunal" but that is basically all they have in common. There is no comparison to be made. Your point is ..... um .... moot.

Here - Ill spell it out further for the logic-challenged. Carrots and potatos are both "vegetables". But they are not the same.

Inconsistent?
RomeoRamenII at 10:37 PM JST - 19th June

So, obama says he'll get Osama.

And once he gets him will he protect him under the U.S. Constitution? And if his lawyers find a loop hole in due process, will he be released?

RR
WhiteHawk at 01:34 AM JST - 20th June

USAFdude:

How refreshing to hear intelligent discussion about taking down Osama bin Laden. How wonderful to know that President of the United States Barack Obama will be our CinC in less than a year!

That's odd. Just 24 hours ago, you were railing against Bush for not having hanged bin Laden by now (which would make him a martyr), and today you're praising Obama for saying he wouldn't hang bin Laden.

Oh wait, you were just practicing liberal doublespeak, and there's nothing odd about that.
yabits at 01:36 AM JST - 20th June

In what universe is a declaration ("Universal Declaration of Human Rights") an "important law [ legal ] body"?

The UDHR became the basis for two important international human rights treaties. The United States has ratified both of them. According to Article 6 of the US Constitution, ratified treaties are binding as the "law of the land."

You are aware that not one single Muslim nation recognizes the UDHR ?

False.
leitmotiv at 12:09 PM JST - 20th June

RedMeatKoolAid

Your foot, that smoldering bullet hole. How do you still type?

That seems to have been directed at me. I have no idea what it might mean. Can you explain?