Obama says he would consider Gore for cabinet position

Thursday 03rd April, 10:59 AM JST

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outhousejt at 02:38 PM JST - 3rd April

Gore telling everyone to make sacrifices while he flies around the world in private jets and living in a huge mansion. There is something wrong with this picture. His work Inconvenient Truth has already been slammed by scientists and critics as sentimental mush and propaganda. Him getting the Nobel Peace Prize was a joke. The Peace Prize is a joke.

You can read the article here.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml;jsessionid=FT2IJHLCH3ZUBQFIQMGCFF4AVCBQUIV0?xml=/earth/2007/10/11/scigore111.xml

Obama wants to increase troops in Afghanistan. And they are to so-called good candidates.
SushiSake2 at 02:59 PM JST - 3rd April

"Gore telling everyone to make sacrifices while he flies around the world in private jets and living in a huge mansion."

outhouse, this point of view has been justly proven as a sham and put to bed on this site many moons ago.

In a nutshell, the impacts of Al Gore's work, his awareness campaigns, books and movies, etc. far, far outweight the carbon his lifestyle creates.

I read through the article you referred and was pretty puzzled - just who is this judge, and why didn't he put up any information to back up his claims? What kind of knowledge base is he drawing on to support his claims that (for examaple, about polar bear deaths) "The only scientific study that either side before me can find is one which indicates that four polar bears have recently been found drowned because of a storm."

OR

"the judge said that it was "very unlikely" that the Ocean Conveyor, also known as the Meridional Overturning Circulation, would shut down in the future, though it might slow down."

Where is the judge getting his info from?

Any clarificationm you could provide would be appreciated.
outhousejt at 03:18 PM JST - 3rd April

Hi SushiSake2.

This is my take on things.

The world was hotter 1000 years ago than it is today. People were farming in places like Greenland. During the dinasour ages it is believed the earth was hotter than it is today too. From about 1200 to 1800 the world got cooler and this is known as the Little Ice Age and from about 1800s the world did start to get warmer. While it is agreed that the earth has been getting warmer the past 100 or so years. The main reason for that is the sun. People tend to forget that very crucial part.

Gore is not telling the entire truth. People just follow him like lemmings and believe in the illusion that we live in a free society. I'm starting to believe we are being dumbed down on purpose by the various governments.

Gore was the vice president of the Clinton administration. This was the criminal who saw fit to send more than a dozen Tomahawk cruise missiles screaming into a pharmacy plant in Sudan. No apology or nothing from USA.

If it's about choosing the lesser evil of the two then yeah I'd vote for Obama and Gore. Thats only because the other candidates are garbage.
Alphaape at 03:57 PM JST - 3rd April

I also want to add that 1000 years ago when the earth was warmer, there were still polar bears too. So this myth that they are loosing their habitat is not true also.

A little closer to our time, on a NG special, they showed an old WW1 trench site in the Italian mountains that had been previously covered by ice since the end of the war. The ice has ebbed revealing the trenches. But, the thing to get out of this is that temparture patterns are cyclical. It was warm enough in 1917-18 for battles and trenches to be built there, and through the temperature cycle, the weather cooled and the ice floe grew. And 80 years later it gets warmer again. I bet that in another 80 years it will get cooler again.

Obama is simply trying to shore up his "super delegate" votes by getting gore on his side. There was a lot of love lost between Al and Bill when he was running back in 2000.

I agree that we need to be better stewards of the planet, and put less gunk and goo into the oceans and air, but the climate of the earth has all ways been going up and down. Gore and his little crusade is nothing more than a scam, and if Obama is willing to put him in his cabinet, that tells you what he is about.
SushiSake2 at 04:05 PM JST - 3rd April

outhouse, I hear what you're saying, but I follow the environmental news like a hawk and what I'm reading does, in fact, point to increasing negative effects on the planet from climate change - and, for that matter, a population explosion, the two being intimately related.

Satellite pictures of the shrinking Arctic and Antarctic, massive ice shelfs that have existed for thousands of years collapsing (last one occurred only last week), warmer temperatures moving north pushing forest eating beetles into Canada where they never lived before, shrinking ice caps throughout Europe, underground water tables beneath China falling a meter a year.......something really bad is happening to our planet, and whether Al Gore has a few facts wrong or he has put forward a number of claims that have not been concretely proven are, I believe, irrelevant.

Al Gore has acted as the canary in the coal shaft - unlike the majority of our politicians who prefer to simply pretend the problem doesn't exist or simply pay lip service to it.

I myself am gravely concerned about climate change and think it is exponentially more important than other issues like terrorism.

Why? If our generation doesn't stop it, I firmly believe out kids and grandchildren are going to be fighting and warring over rapidly diminishing food and water supplies.

Let's face it, rice crops are down in China (30%), Australia, U.S., etc., the total global grain stock is at its lowest level since the 70s, prices of staples like wheat, grains and rice are going up rapidly, we now have water wars breaking out in parts of Africa, and with the global population set to hit 9 billion (from the current 6.5-7 billion now), it's only going to get worse.

If Obama only had one policy - to put fighting climate change at the top of his policy agenda, I would vote for him.

Fighting terrorism, as John McCain seems intent on doing, is so trivial it is laughable.

Terrorism has been spun and re-spun so many times now, we have millions of people who have convinced themselves that "the terrorists" are a "problem", but in reality, what percentage of people have been affected by terrorism??

Cold hard numbers, I'd say not even a quarter of a percent, if that.

That, my friend, is why terrorism is trivial.

Climate change on the other hand, is threatening not just out climate, but the future of our very food supply, the quality of the water we drink and the future of our kids.

This is why I applaud Al Gore and will support him despite the very real possibility he may not be 100% correct in his claims.

Bottom line is we can either:

1/ Ignore it and pretend it isn't happening, 2/ Shrug our shoulders and resign ourselves to it, or 3/ Get off our backsides and do something to combat it.

Obama is very wise to be talking to Gore in this respect.
outhousejt at 05:05 PM JST - 3rd April

SushiSake2. I can relate to your thoughts. More people die from pop corn than from terrorism. We should be waging a war on pop corn instead. And yes indeed the planet is in a very critical state. But for me I find something very wrong when Gore who wants to spread awareness which is good but he then uses private jets to fly in he also owns Occidental which I think is an oil company.
jerseyboy at 05:14 PM JST - 3rd April

SushiSake2 -- AMEN.
Zorro at 09:30 PM JST - 3rd April

Gore served as vice president to former President Bill Clinton for eight years and narrowly lost to President George W Bush in 2000.

I think it would be more accurate to say he conceeded.
Sarge at 09:36 PM JST - 3rd April

Zorro - Al Gore was the sitting vice president. The election was his to lose, and he lost it to George W. Bush.
RomeoRamenII at 10:13 AM JST - 5th April

barack considers hiring a guy who flies around the world in a fuel-guzzling private jet and rides in a SUV to be his, heh, top global warming adviser.

barack is all about making sound judgements, doncha know.

RR
Loki520 at 11:17 AM JST - 5th April
SushiSake,

Your numbers are off. You say "a quarter of a percent" affected by terrorism. I'll counter your number with a figure closer to reality... 90 - 95% of the worlds population, maybe more are AFFECTED by terrorism (your term, not mine). Anyone willing to use the semantics of "no, that is the WAR on terrorism, not terrorism itself" needs to leave now. If you can't surmise the connection between the two, you don't need to try and debate. This is not a debate about "should we", or "Why are we", or anything like that. A terrorist attack gave el schmucko the reason he wanted and he went for it. Therefore, the terrorist attack is the root cause of the war on terror. Being retarded is not a root cause.
- Every military member is affected. Training, deployment, covering for those that are deployed, etc.. EVERY one of them.
- Every family member of a deployed military member is affected.
- Every vendor/business outside of a military base is affected by the deployments. As are their families, who may have to cut back on their lifestyles due to drop in income.
- Everyone who purchases GAS, WORLDWIDE, is affected by the WOT and it's effects on worlds oil prices.
- Everyone who purchase anything made of plastic, worldwide, is affected the same way.
- Everyone who eats food that is delivered to a store, worldwide, is affected. Prices have risen because of gas prices. And those prices are shifted onto YOU.
- Four words that affect everyone: Department of Homeland Security.
- Warrentless wiretapping
- Fingerprinting at airports occuring in various airports throughout the world
So forth and so on. It is sophmoric to argue that the only people effected by terrorism are those that were directly involved/killed/harmed in the 9/11 attacks, Spain trains, British buses, WTC, and all those other specific events. EACH one of those has created a ripple effect that affects the VAST majority of people in their everyday life and will continue for a very long time into the future. The ONLY people NOT affected by this is some long-lost tribe of individuals who live deep in a jungle somewhere and still think of enemy's as "food".

This point it NOT to downplay the Global Warming argument and it's importance. I personnally think Gore is full of crap, but that does not mean his points are totally irrelevant. But the arguement that global warming affects everyone while the WOT only effects .0025 is of such absurd reasoning, that one would have to assume that people saying it are lying on purpose to push their agenda. Without ANY regard for the facts.

It is important, but to treat it as the ONLY issue of any significance worht talking about, and especially at the expense of other issues, is the reason the environmental crowd isn't bigger than it is. Rational people aren't willing to simply believe that the entire world is gonna eat rainbows and poop butterflies if we take care of global warming. Many other issues have a more IMMEDIATE effect on them and that is what they are concerned with.
Loki520 at 11:18 AM JST - 5th April

SushiSake...

Your figure on who is effected by terrorism (.0025%) is off by about 95%.
redacted at 08:29 AM JST - 8th April

Gore would definitely win for Obama the namby-pamby metrosexual vote that would otherwise go to Hillary.
GrouchyGaijin at 09:56 PM JST - 8th April

Gore's new movie here: http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/243
Sarge at 10:55 PM JST - 8th April

Grouchy - From your link - "John Bolton" said this about Gore:

Even if we did everything the Goracle said we would slow global warming by about 3 days by the end of the century. Gotta go - my SUV is idling.