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Risks losing credibility? Israel has none right now. It is the problem.

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I guess it depends on how you define credibility zurcronium. If its a fair accounting on the issue of Palestine, you are correct and Israel has no cred. However, for many in the world, credibility is entirely dependent on things like GDP, salable inventions and war victory and your human rights record and state of apartheid count for nothing. So for them, Israel can oppress the Palestinians all the want because 1) might makes right and 2) the money is still rolling.

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I think the Israelis are probably laughing their heads off at this joke of a president.

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The issue is what elements that constitute Palestinian state that coexist with Israel. As usual, Obama talks big word without substance or details. There is a pattern of using deceptive words to score point of his narcissist trademark. .

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@bass4funk

I think the Israelis are probably laughing their heads off at this joke of a president.

And I think that Israelis all actually hold separate opinions and thoughts, and are not of one mind at all. In fact, his popularity has been rising in Israel.

Missing from the article is information about Obama's work to veto a U.N. plan to recognize Palestinian independence (declared in 1988) over Israel's head. Which might explain some of his popularity in Israel.

So ,where does Obama stand on the two state issue? Apparently, he stands where its politically convenient today. And isn't it amazing the way the press can paint has pro-two state one day and then anti- two state the next? What is real? Who the hell knows?

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Israel risks losing “credibility”? ... This coming from Obama?

I'll take Ironic Comments for $1,000, Alex........

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I think the Israelis are probably laughing their heads off at this joke of a president.

Only the ignorent ones, who, like Netanyahu, believe they can impose their will on the Palestians because of their military strength/nuclear capabilities, and that their bank of support/goodwill in the U.S. is endless. The ones with half a brain know that well over 100 U.N. member countries, including many in Europe, like Sweeden and France, are in support of recognizing a Palestinian state, and only a U.S. veto keeps it from happening, because Israel is seen by many people as simply a cowardly bully, who has lost its moral authority on this issue. Obama is spot on -- thank goodness.

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Netanyahu has damaged relations with quite a few countries. You reap what you sow.

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Israel risks losing “credibility”? ... This coming from Obama?

Why? He's the most credible post-war president you've had, and one of the best presidents ever. You people are living in a delusional bubble.

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Only the ignorent ones, who, like Netanyahu, believe they can impose their will on the Palestians because of their military strength/nuclear capabilities, and that their bank of support/goodwill in the U.S. is endless.

If it keeps the Israelis safe from the the terrorists, more power to them and we should supply them with whatever we can and whatever they need.

The ones with half a brain know that well over 100 U.N. member countries, including many in Europe, like Sweeden and France, are in support of recognizing a Palestinian state, and only a U.S. veto keeps it from happening, because Israel is seen by many people as simply a cowardly bully, who has lost its moral authority on this issue.

People can say whatever they won't, doesn't matter a fig! What matters is, do the Palestinians or better Hamas controlled Gaza pose a threat to Israel and the short answer is YES. Funny, why you libs don't complain about Hamas getting millions of dollars in aid to help their people and to build a better infrastructure and give food and provide proper housing for the people? Oh, that's right, they use that money to build Qussam rockets, build tunnels to smuggle more weapons into Gaza to launch more attacks against Israel. But ZERO outrage from you guys, right?

Obama is spot on -- thank goodness.

And thank Goodness we have 524 more days until the reign of the anointed one comes to an end.

Netanyahu has damaged relations with quite a few countries. You reap what you sow.

Obama, more so. From the looks of it, it will take a very long time to get out of this mess he put the country in.

Why? He's the most credible post-war president you've had, and one of the best presidents ever. You people are living in a delusional bubble.

Any person that thinks Obama was even remotely close to the best president we've ever had, loves Comedy way too much.

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"Any person that thinks Obama was even remotely close to the best president we've ever had, loves Comedy way too much."

More likely a non-voting foreign proggie -- probably posting from Kenya -- who views Obama as the world's president.......

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us will never change its policy..going soft on israel n backing its actions.last month usa vetoed a unsc resolution tabled by egypt on israel's nuclear sites.arab leaders demand that israel clarify its stance n allow the iaea inspection team to visit its secret nuclear sites.a good move indeed which fell through for us veto.israel wants a tight deal on iran regarding iran's nuclear sites while israel itself has hundreds of nuclear bombs n never allows iaea to inspect the sites.israel is not willing to abide by international laws n keeps on flouting them.coercion,intimidation never leads to peace.palestinian people's legitimate rights must be restored first for the peaceful existence of illegitimate israel.israel should know it well that every bullet they fire on palestinian people is bound to pounce back one day.

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'Why? He's the most credible post-war president you've had, and one of the best presidents ever. You people are living in a delusional bubble.'

A bit of an exaggeration. He's done nothing to arrest the mind-blowing inequality instigated by the senile 'saint' Reagan and the parasitic elites created and spends too much time arseing around in the Middle East believing western intervention can make things better. He was an improvement on the cross-eyed, deceitful, semi-literate, warmongering idiot who preceded him but that isn't a very high bar. Mediocre at best.

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Continued.........>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>...

When ISIL is wiped out ,,, you can discuss the removal of Assad at the expense of high oil prices ( I doubt he will agree but try ......... you think he sold out saddam at 3billion no some country was backstabbing you KSA , Qatar ) perhaps both of you should set with putin to settle it out without any other country intervention ,,,,,,

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after all putin will never buy assad cheap , like the arab countries sold out saddam

Just stating facts out

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Few people are more qualified on how to discuss a lack of credibility than Obama. I forgot he was still President.

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More likely a non-voting foreign proggie -- probably posting from Kenya -- who views Obama as the world's president.......

Obama won in landslide elections twice. But since he is black some think he is from Kenya, still.

Few people are more qualified on how to discuss a lack of credibility than Obama. I forgot he was still President.

Is Faux News reporting that Obama is not President now. If they are I am sure many like you believe it.

Fact is if Obama were not President now the republicans would have started a war with Iran for Israel. That alone is reason to thank God for Obama.

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@ Strangerland- He's the most credible post-war president you've had, and one of the best presidents ever. You people are living in a delusional bubble.

And this is derived how? I can't count on one hand the credible evidence and "best presidents ever"! I certainly must be in a bubble. To be honest I prefer to remain in a bubble if I am. It your reality I'll steer clear.

Israel has made mistakes, Israel does need to recognize and compromise instead of inviting the worlds Jewish population into a region pushing aside the region millennia long residents all in the belief of the bible.

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Obama won in landslide elections twice. But since he is black some think he is from Kenya, still.

Even if that were true, who cares? Let people think what they want. That's the least of Obama's problems!

Is Faux News reporting that Obama is not President now. If they are I am sure many like you believe it.

What?

Fact is if Obama were not President now the republicans would have started a war with Iran for Israel. That alone is reason to thank God for Obama.

I seriously don't know if I should laugh or SMH! The real fact is, if Obama were NOT president, we wouldn't be this far down in the dumps domestically, our foreign policy in shreds! Funny thing I heard today from "David Axlrod" that Obama thinks he's the closet thing to a Jew and that he's been such a staunch friend and supporter of Israel. What????? Honestly, does this guy believe half the stuff he says? That guy is something else! Can't wait to get this embarrassment out of the WH!

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Netanyahu can't survive without support from the US and Europe, and he's soured relations with just about all of them. I have reservations about whether his way is correct or not, but when you burn bridges and destroy the effectiveness of your message then it really doesn't matter if you're right nor not.

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Netanyahu can't survive without support from the US and Europe, and he's soured relations with just about all of them.

So what's your point? The US will never leave Israel and remember, in 2 years Obama will be gone and the next president will continue the relationship, regardless of who occupies the WH.

But if anyone is souring and destroying relationships is Obama. In the latest CNN poll, Bush beat Obama in the favorable category.

Among living presidents, George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton are viewed the most favorably, with 64 percent responding favorably to both. Just 30 percent see the elder Bush negatively, and 33 percent see Clinton in an unfavorable light.

When the same question was asked in 2014, the 43rd president polled at 46 percent favorability, continuing his steady increase in the public’s esteem since leaving office, when just 33 percent responded that way in February 2009.

The poll was conducted May 29-31 by telephone, surveying 1,025 Americans, with an overall margin of error of plus-or-minus 3 percentage points.

I have reservations about whether his way is correct or not, but when you burn bridges and destroy the effectiveness of your message then it really doesn't matter if you're right nor not.

Netanyahu will be fine. I respect the man because he loves his country, a real patriot and understands the ramifications of what radical terrorism is, unlike the guy we have now occupying the WH now.

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"On Sunday, Netanyahu said he was committed to the establishment of a Palestinian state" - article

Sounds like King Bebe agrees with President Obama.

Israel's glass house won't stand close examination. President Obama's kid glove "credibility" chastisement couldn't be more gentle. For a nuclear power like Israel, King Bebe's constant cry-baby repetition is exhausting.

Before the GOP-Tea parrots get too whiny baby, let the good reader reference how stainless our brothers in Israel are in their stewardship of god's mandate at the citation below.

www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/16/rafah.death/index.html

"Mar 25, 2003 · An Israeli bulldozer killed an American woman Sunday who had been protesting its use to destroy Palestinian houses in Rafah."

Looks like the GOP-Tea zombies here are too ready to forget Rachel Corrie. Shame that and sadly unsurprising.

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On Sunday, Netanyahu said he was committed to the establishment of a Palestinian state" - article Sounds like King Bebe agrees with President Obama.

More like the other way round. Before Obama got into office, and will be there long after he leaves. Netanyahu was always for the Palestinians to have their own statehood, as long as they engage in radical terrorism, then all bets are off.

Israel's glass house won't stand close examination. President Obama's kid glove "credibility" chastisement couldn't be more gentle. For a nuclear power like Israel, King Bebe's constant cry-baby repetition is exhausting

if you lived in Israel under the constant threat of terrorism' and knowing that you are surrounded by country that wants to aquire nukes you'd be whining as well.

"Mar 25, 2003 · An Israeli bulldozer killed an American woman Sunday who had been protesting its use to destroy Palestinian houses in Rafah."

Sad as it is, that was her fault.

Looks like the GOP-Tea zombies here are too ready to forget Rachel Corrie. Shame that and sadly unsurprising Reaching again?

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"Mar 25, 2003 · An Israeli bulldozer killed an American woman Sunday who had been protesting its use to destroy Palestinian houses in Rafah."

Sad as it is, that was her fault.'

The logic of the right encapsulated. Not a word about the bulldozers. The same thing usually happens when someone mentions land stealing condemned as illegal by international law. If another country was doing this, one the right don't like, they'd be screaming blue murder and calling on the president to rain hell from the skies.

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The logic of the right encapsulated. Not a word about the bulldozers.

The same argument can be made on the flip! You libs love talking about Iraq and The Palestinians and the atrocities committed against them, but you guys never talk about the Iraq sectarian conflict or Hamas digging tunnels wasting money trying (in vain) to destroy Israel, the constant threat and barrage of Qussam rockets killing people and terrorizing the entire nation. Hypocrisy, yup!

The same thing usually happens when someone mentions land stealing condemned as illegal by international law. If another country was doing this, one the right don't like, they'd be screaming blue murder and calling on the president to rain hell from the skies.

No, they are just asking The U.S. To not negotiate a deal with Iran until they come to the table unconditionally with the promise of not enriching their Uranium and Plutonium cells.

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'The same argument can be made on the flip! You libs love talking about Iraq and The Palestinians and the atrocities committed against them, but you guys never talk about the Iraq sectarian conflict or Hamas digging tunnels wasting money trying (in vain) to destroy Israel, the constant threat and barrage of Qussam rockets killing people and terrorizing the entire nation. Hypocrisy, yup!'

Who's 'you guys?' I don't regard myself as a 'lib'. Not everyone sees the world thorough the partisan views you have. I don't support Hamas and neither do I support the theft of other people's land. Your comment 'that was her fault' is astonishing and reflective of a view which refuses to condemn things like land stealing for what they are - illegal and immoral. The vast majority of the planet condemns land stealing by Israel but I suppose a diet of Fox News doesn't cover this too much.

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Who's 'you guys?' I don't regard myself as a 'lib'. Not everyone sees the world thorough the partisan views you have.

Sorry, not a partisan. I don't have love so much for either parties, HOWEVER, the hypocrisy on the left is so deafening and asinine and this over obsessive love of Obama, a man that can NEVER do anything wrong just chaps my a**!

I don't support Hamas and neither do I support the theft of other people's land. Your comment 'that was her fault' is astonishing and reflective of a view which refuses to condemn things like land stealing for what they are - illegal and immoral.

You can't steal something that was never yours to begin with.

The vast majority of the planet condemns land stealing by Israel but I suppose a diet of Fox News doesn't cover this too much.

For your information they cover all of the news regarding the Israeli, Palestinian issue, but whether you see it as a land grab or someone else doesn't, they leave that for you to decide, hence the slogan, "fair and balanced" You see it as land grab and I don't, leave it at that, but one thing is for sure, the way the Palestinians are going about trying to bomb and force Israel to give up anything is only spinning their wheels.

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'Who's 'you guys?' I don't regard myself as a 'lib'. Not everyone sees the world thorough the partisan views you have.

Sorry, not a partisan. I don't have love so much for either parties, HOWEVER, the hypocrisy on the left is so deafening and asinine and this over obsessive love of Obama, a man that can NEVER do anything wrong just chaps my a**!'

Not me. He kisses the backside of parasitic elites far too much for my liking. I expect that from the Republicans, not the Democrats. I regard him as mediocre at best. Your hatred of the man is as obsessive as anything I've read in his favour or against. You have a countdown of how many days left. A little disturbing.

'You can't steal something that was never yours to begin with.'

A pretty disgraceful and morally bankrupt argument pulled out to attempt to defend the indefensible. These are human beings we are talking about. International law means something to many people on the planet. I'd be fascinated to hear how you'd describe Israel's 'land grab'. What do you see it as? A legitimate attempt to bring about the conditions for the second coming? I know many on the US right share this crackpot nonsense but surely not you?

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Not me. He kisses the backside of parasitic elites far too much for my liking. I expect that from the Republicans, not the Democrats.

Then you are being hoodwinked if you think that.

I regard him as mediocre at best. Your hatred of the man is as obsessive as anything I've read in his favour or against. You have a countdown of how many days left. A little disturbing.

For me, it's a joyous occasion

A pretty disgraceful and morally bankrupt argument pulled out to attempt to defend the indefensible.

Then we just think differently.

These are human beings we are talking about. International law means something to many people on the planet.

Not when it involves another country or individuals trying to eradicate another groups of people because you think they are inhuman, and think they are a race of rats, then the individuals of the targeted aggression have the absolute right to self-preservation.

I'd be fascinated to hear how you'd describe Israel's 'land grab'.

We already went through that, please scroll up.

What do you see it as? A legitimate attempt to bring about the conditions for the second coming?

Has nothing to do with that at least for me.

I know many on the US right share this crackpot nonsense but surely not you?

I also know a lot on the left that feel that way as well.

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Clearly, some here cheer the death of American Rachel Corrie; as they point out the Israeli military bulldozers weren't to blame, but a 23 year old American woman in an Orange hi-visibility vest was. (sick)

The operator of the Israeli bulldozer had no responsibility, of course.

More GOP-Tea Patriots worshiping King Bibi and ignoring the verifiable failures of Israel's occupation. “Already, the international community does not believe that Israel is serious about a two-state solution.” - article

And some note those here who damn Rachel Corrie as culpable are neither moral or of humane conscience even as they bellow their righteous certainty. Sad, and these are the patriots who clamour their certainty for another war? (sick)

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Clearly, some here cheer the death of American Rachel Corrie; as they point out the Israeli military bulldozers weren't to blame, but a 23 year old American woman in an Orange hi-visibility vest was. (sick)

Really, can you prove that people were cheering for Corrie's death? What evidence do you have of this.

More GOP-Tea Patriots worshiping King Bibi and ignoring the verifiable failures of Israel's occupation. “Already, the international community does not believe that Israel is serious about a two-state solution.” - article

It doesn't matter what the international community thinks, what's important and foremost is that Israel can keep its citizens safe and whether you like Netanyahu or not, he's a strong leader that will do everything in his power to keep his country safe as any true leader should.

And some note those here who damn Rachel Corrie as culpable are neither moral or of humane conscience even as they bellow their righteous certainty. Sad, and these are the patriots who clamour their certainty for another war? (sick)

Examples please. One important factor, common sense tells me I should never stand in the way of a tank, NO MATTER WHAT! In doing so, you are taking a chance. the woman knew the consequences, that is her fault, no one told her to stand in front of a tank. Sad as it it, she is to blame for her actions.

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SuperLib: Netanyahu can't survive without support from the US and Europe, and he's soured relations with just about all of them.

bass4funk: So what's your point?

Well, my point is that Netanyahu can't survive without support from the US and Europe, and he's soured relations with just about all of them.

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Well, my point is that Netanyahu can't survive without support from the US and Europe, and he's soured relations with just about all of them.

Believe me when I tell you this, maybe Europe has reservations, but the US will NEVER abandon Israel even when Obama is out of office, regardless of who occupies the White House.

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A commenter wrote: Really, can you prove that people were cheering for Corrie's death? What evidence do you have of this." (?, punctuation)

The proof is in their own comments: "that was her fault."

What sick mind blames an American who gave her life for principle defending innocent people from military bulldozers? And this is the integrity they openly present as wisdom? And this sick mind cheers King Bibi's acts of terrorism?

"Physician, heal thyself" definition:

A biblical proverb meaning that people should take care of their own defects and not just correct the faults of others.

Some here could learn much from Jesus's words. But clearly, they can't.

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'Believe me when I tell you this, maybe Europe has reservations, but the US will NEVER abandon Israel even when Obama is out of office, regardless of who occupies the White House.'

Any thinking and moral person without the kind of blind partisanship you continually show must have reservations about Netanyahu. Many Israelis do. US support for Israel must be conditional on Israeli conduct if the US sees itself as a decent country. Your block capitals NEVER shows how boneheaded your thinking really is here.

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The proof is in their own comments: "that was her fault."

Really? And how does that equate to gleefully cheering for someone's death? Again, where is your proof? This is just utter BS, the woman made the conscious choice to put herself in front of a bulldozer, which means, she is taking a chance. NO ONE told her to do this, she decided on her own, her choice, her responsibility, her fault.

What sick mind blames an American who gave her life for principle defending innocent people from military bulldozers?

A person that deals with the honest reality and doesn't hide behind fictitious liberal make believe BS.

And this is the integrity they openly present as wisdom? And this sick mind cheers King Bibi's acts of terrorism?

If defending Israel's right to exist and weed out and capture and kill the radicals that want to destroy them, constitutes as terrorism, then I support it.

"Physician, heal thyself" definition:

A biblical proverb meaning that people should take care of their own defects and not just correct the faults of others.

I hope the Palestinians can take heed to your words.

Some here could learn much from Jesus's words. But clearly, they can't.

I agree, but well said.

Any thinking and moral person without the kind of blind partisanship you continually show must have reservations about Netanyahu.

Since I am not a partisan, I'll gloss over that nonsense and baseless accusations. I never said, Netanyahu is a Saint, what politician is? But I admire the man because he doesn't back down, doesn't care what anyone thinks or says, cares deeply about his country, would defend it to the end. His enemies fear him, he is NOT afraid to use military might when it is necessary. He is what you call a true leader, something we don't have in America. Obama is the exact antithesis of what a true leader should be.

Many Israelis do. US support for Israel must be conditional on Israeli conduct if the US sees itself as a decent country.

Again, who gives a fig what the world thinks.

Your block capitals NEVER shows how boneheaded your thinking really is here.

And once again, when hit with the facts, we have to resort to ad hominem attacks. ROFL

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"NO ONE told her to do this, she decided on her own, her choice, her responsibility, her fault." - a commenter's response to the Israeli Military cutting an American woman in half with a bulldozer.

Perhaps this attitude, 'Israel, right or wrong', is at the core of why "the international community does not believe that Israel is serious about a two-state solution.” - article

Imagine a mindset so perverse that the killing of an innocent person is dismissed with a 'she asked for it' distain. On par with the same attitude about rape victims, 'they were asking for it', this perspective may be the key to Israel's credibility issue and an individual's moral decay.

'My country right or wrong' is just the articulation of fascism under the guise of patriotism.

'I was just following orders' has long since been the illustration of the irresponsible use of force as a scapegoat.

In the case of Rachel Corrie's murder some here are glad to reinforce this as their basis of judgment. Maybe this is Israel's problem too, and maybe it's time for Americans to rethink gifting Israel three billion annually.

Since the concept that "the U.S. gives Israel all of its economic aid directly in cash, with no accounting of how the funds are used" runs counter to transparency, it also represents a blind eye and gross disinterest in how US Taxpayer funds are used and for what.

(see above quoted reference at: http://www.wrmea.org/2001-january-february/a-conservative-total-for-u.s.-aid-to-israel-$91-billion-and-counting.html)

In conclusion, Rachel Corrie was a person of deep conviction and conscience. Her death cannot be dismissed or forgotten. Some here are all too glad to disparage this American, 'she got what she deserved', and it is good that they are so bold to openly show their distain for her sacrifice. This illustrates not only an individual failing but a national one Americans and Israelis mustn't ignore.

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Imagine a mindset so perverse that the killing of an innocent person is dismissed with a 'she asked for it' distain. On par with the same attitude about rape victims, 'they were asking for it', this perspective may be the key to Israel's credibility issue and an individual's moral decay.

But unlike a rape victim that never gives consent to the individual to physically touch them, this woman was woman did not have a gun pointed towards her head, she willingly chose to put her life in danger by stepping in front of a 3 ton tank, at that point anything is possible.

'My country right or wrong' is just the articulation of fascism under the guise of patriotism.

That is your opinion.

'I was just following orders' has long since been the illustration of the irresponsible use of force as a scapegoat.

Poppycock nonesense.

In the case of Rachel Corrie's murder some here are glad to reinforce this as their basis of judgment. Maybe this is Israel's problem too, and maybe it's time for Americans to rethink gifting Israel three billion annually.

I think most people are smart enough to understand that this woman had freewill. The same as the Journalists that wound up in the hands of ISIS and were decapitated chose willingly to go to Syria, no one forced them to go, as tragic as it all was, they made a conscious choice like Rachel did.

Since the concept that "the U.S. gives Israel all of its economic aid directly in cash, with no accounting of how the funds are used" runs counter to transparency, it also represents a blind eye and gross disinterest in how US Taxpayer funds are used and for what.

When you talk about transparency, then the person we need to really talk about his Hilary Clinton.

In conclusion, Rachel Corrie was a person of deep conviction and conscience. Her death cannot be dismissed or forgotten.

Nor should it be, it should also be a reminder that, when people are in a tank and tell you to get out of the way or move, you need to think, the tank will always win...always!

Some here are all too glad to disparage this American, 'she got what she deserved', and it is good that they are so bold to openly show their distain for her sacrifice. This illustrates not only an individual failing but a national one Americans and Israelis mustn't ignore.

Who is glad and who is disparaging her? Who is joyfully happy that this woman is dead. Proof please.

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bass: Believe me when I tell you this, maybe Europe has reservations

Don't you need Europe to be part of a sanctions team? Or do you envision the US and Israel going at it alone?

kcjapan: In conclusion, Rachel Corrie was a person of deep conviction and conscience. Her death cannot be dismissed or forgotten. Some here are all too glad to disparage this American, 'she got what she deserved', and it is good that they are so bold to openly show their distain for her sacrifice. This illustrates not only an individual failing but a national one Americans and Israelis mustn't ignore.

Well, she got what she deserved. That's what the answer really is. What these people do is go into a war zone and pretend that their minds can be read and that they pose no harm when they advance towards troops or block access. It's beyond dumb, it's suicidal. I respect her for giving herself totally for a cause, but her plan of action got herself killed, and I'm not going to buy into that.

She might even be OK in just about any other conflict, but this is where we see the effects of Palestinian warfare. Rockets on schools, human shields, child suicide bombers, transporting troops/weapons in ambulances, bombs on animals, etc. That literally turns everything into a threat, and Israel must face interactions in war zones as a threat because of it.

It's a sad state of affairs, but it's how things are in that area. Had she been successful in stopping the bulldozer, it's all but guaranteed that the militants would have taken notice and tried to use aspects of her approach to launch an attack.

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JT has provided the opportunity for both comment and examination of Israel's dilemma.

As a sad footnote, the opportunity also for some to parade their ignorance and hatred for a young American who gave her life defending innocent Palestinians in their own land and their own homes as Israeli Military bulldozers razed private homes to expand their illegal settlements on Palestinian land.

While the personal failures of the most arrogant are uninteresting they still provide the reader with an ugly portrait of the psychology behind blind allegiance to any nations' criminal practices.

A reader who cannot be bothered to learn the facts of Rachel Corrie's murder isn't credible in their continued condemnation of this extraordinary person. But that is also an opportunity to better understand how limited mental faculties are practiced and exercised to ignore the truth of Rachel's death. Israel sins are only a larger expression of these individual failures.

When killing a woman with a bulldozer is greeted with a shameless "she got what she deserved" the reader can only guess such insensitivity is the result of deep psychological imbalance. Perhaps that is Israel's illness as well.

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Don't you need Europe to be part of a sanctions team? Or do you envision the US and Israel going at it alone?

Doesn't make a difference. Europe was already Gung ho on relinquishing the sanctions quickly even before the talks were even completed So even as the US keeps the sanctions in place, it really doesn't work if everyone else doesn't adhere to them, so Iran gets what it wants, the US gets suckered with this guy and Israel and the Sunnis now have to ponder when the day comes to arm themselves, do a preemptive strike or nuke the country, which is the worst case scenario, but the over religious Mullahs WILL try and fulfill the prophecy and use the nukes, Obama didn't care, the man just how history is going to look at him, let the next president worry about it. What do you think is going to happen once the Sunnis get their nukes which are already completed and ready for pick up in Pakistan. You will see a mideast arms race and that is a very frightening prospect.

Well, she got what she deserved. That's what the answer really is.

NO, that's your answer and spin on it. She didn't deserve to die, but SHE made the choice NOT to move. Take the emotion out of the argument.

What these people do is go into a war zone and pretend that their minds can be read and that they pose no harm when they advance towards troops or block access. It's beyond dumb, it's suicidal.

If they know that, don't do it.

I respect her for giving herself totally for a cause, but her plan of action got herself killed, and I'm not going to buy into that.

I do.

She might even be OK in just about any other conflict, but this is where we see the effects of Palestinian warfare. Rockets on schools, human shields, child suicide bombers, transporting troops/weapons in ambulances, bombs on animals, etc. That literally turns everything into a threat, and Israel must face interactions in war zones as a threat because of it.

Tell Hamas and the radical wing of the Palestinian factions to stop threatening and firing rockets into Israel, then the Palestinians don't have anything to worry about. The balls is there court.

As a sad footnote, the opportunity also for some to parade their ignorance and hatred for a young American who gave her life defending innocent Palestinians in their own land and their own homes as Israeli Military bulldozers razed private homes to expand their illegal settlements on Palestinian land.

Who said, they hate this woman, any evidence?

While the personal failures of the most arrogant are uninteresting they still provide the reader with an ugly portrait of the psychology behind blind allegiance to any nations' criminal practices.

Then these people shouldn't support the radical militant wing if Hamas

A reader who cannot be bothered to learn the facts of Rachel Corrie's murder isn't credible in their continued condemnation of this extraordinary person. But that is also an opportunity to better understand how limited mental faculties are practiced and exercised to ignore the truth of Rachel's death.

Who is then qualified? People that tow the progressive liberal agenda? The truth is, the woman made a clear choice and now she is dead because of that choice. Nothing you can do about it.

Israel sins are only a larger expression of these individual failures.

To a small point and an even larger failure on the Jihadists part.

When killing a woman with a bulldozer is greeted with a shameless "she got what she deserved" the reader can only guess such insensitivity is the result of deep psychological imbalance. Perhaps that is Israel's illness as well.

You want to talk about REAL illness, how can a democratically elected government like Hamas get millions of dollars and NOT build better infrastructures, better food and living conditions, better schools, but they use it to make better weapons, tunnels, now that is real psychological imbalance.

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Shown Here: A fair illustration of 'my country right or wrong'; Israel's fascist GOP-Tea connection is disgusting.

Gods protect the children who live in the world of such indiscriminate carelessness paid for with American Taxpayer funds.

If each child's tears could be measured against the weightless certainty of religious fallacy the world would soon give up on 'man in the sky' justification of slaughter.

Shame. Shame on the ignorant and shame on those who should know better and horror for the children who suffer under a 'man in the sky' justification for wickedness.

Sick and proud. Shown here. For gods sake, stop killing the children for their father's ignorance and hate. Now, wait for it, another sick justification to kill the children. Let the deranged post their hate here . . .

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Obama says Israel risks losing credibility over Palestinian state stance

America's foreign policy is a wreck - particularly in the Middle East. Israel and all of the other putative allies of America in the region are openly contemptuous of Obama. Since Obama came to power, he has done more to empower Hamas, Iran, and ISIS than any others in the region. Frankly, the leadership in Israel, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc. could care less what Obama thinks. They are just waiting for Obama to leave office.

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