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sailwind
Actually the full qoute he said was, "Since the race is over, no one pays attention to me at all. So maybe you will walk outside with me or something later and say hello to me."
It sure puts it in a whole different context and to why the laughter. But what the hey the Media Bias by A.P is to be expected.
Old habits are hard to break I guess.
Glad to see this meeting with President Elect Obama though. Bodes well for the new Administration that they are building partnerships where the rubber really meets the road.
I'm impressed.
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Sarge
"President-elect Barack Obama"
I'd be nervous too.
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Sarge
Biden: Since the race is over, no one pays attention to me at all. So maybe you will walk outside with me later and say hello to me."
Har! Yeah, ol' Biden certainly seemed to enjoy his debate with Sarah.
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skipthesong
well, I think we can rest assured now that he has just pulled in Richardson for secretary of commerce. About time a Hispanic was chosen by team Obama, now things can happen.
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Betzee
I saw a cartoon featurinf two martians landing from outer space. Upon encountering GWB they say, "Take us to your president-elect."
About sums up the situation; never before has a sitting president faded so quickly into obscurity if not irrelevance to the policy-making process.
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Sarge
skipthesong - You don't think things can happen with a non-Hispanice secretary of commerce? And don't you think Richardson is better suited for Hillary's new job?
Betzee - Aren't you even a bit nervous about having a man whose only financial experience is voting to spend other people's money becoming the President of the United States shortly?
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Betzee
No, I'm not Sarge. I would be much more worried if John McCain had won given that he vowed to cut government spending down to the "bare essentials" (predictably left undefined). That's exactly the wrong response when the economy is contracting.
Obama appreciates "the great economy" of the GWB era was driven by folks extracting cash from their dramatically appreciating home equity valuations to pay for a vacation, an SUV, whatever. When the real estate market crashed, too many had far more debt than equity. Only Uncle Sam going on a spending spree can turn the situation around. That's no doubt what the Governors wanted to hear as well.
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skipthesong
You don't think things can happen with a non-Hispanice secretary of commerce? And don't you think Richardson is better suited for Hillary's new job?"
I didn't say that, but while several posters believe Obama's greatness is that he is black, why can't I do that same and not get flack for it? I personally think Obama owes us a lot and I haven't seen anything yet, even potentially.
Yes, I thought Richardson was much better suited than Hillary however, I do believe her new job will put her in the background. I have been to quite a many places and I have yet to run into a good conversation about her... Her husband on the other hand gets praise.
Anyway, I just hope Obama calls about taxes were more campaign words than reality.
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VOR
betzee, there's a pretty good chance that the majority of people who have lost their homes or in deep financial trouble because they borrowed more than they could pay back and generally don't know how to manage their finances are the very people that vote for the party that wants to tax the crap out of the rest of us hard working Americans in order to redistribute the wealth. If you want to blame anybody blame the Democratic party for setting these people up for failure and increasing their dependancy on the US taxpayer.
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smithinjapan
Obama will make things right. It's just a shame that he has to take an economy destroyed single-handedly by bush, and that it'll take time to overturn all bush's bad decisions to make things better.
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VOR
smithinjapan, for a canadian you are pretty ignorant on how the American government works or the intricacies of the US economy. Your BDS is getting in the way of fact and reason.
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sailwind
Piling even MORE debt on future generations. Great plan, just going to make the next recession after this one is over look like a cakewalk.
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Sarge
"Obama will make things right"
What, the man whose party was the main instigator behind the subprime loan debacle, the man whose only financial experience is voting on spending other people's money?
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smithinjapan
Ah, it sure is fun to watch you guys squirm! But as I said, not to worry lads... Obama will make things right for you, and you can breath easy that the days of the bush government and his reckless deregulation which led to the current catastrophe are over.
VOR: Nah, the REALLY sad part is that so many people from other nationalities can come on here and teach you so much about your own.
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Loki520
Bush's reckless deregulation? HA HA HA HA HA
I'm not a bush lover or an obama hater, but how can anyone NOT wearing blinders say such a thing?
IN THIS PARTICULAR SNAFU SITUATION, Bush attempted to TIGHTEN regulations and oversight of the program. Several times throughout his administration. It was the liberal left who fought off attempts at REGULATING this industry.
It was Barney Franks who said there was no problems. It was Maxine Waters who insisted that attempts to REGULATE this PARTICULAR industry was a 'waste of time'. It was Dodd and several others, to include the O-man, who accepted literally hundreds of thousands of dollars from FM/FM lobbyists. What did FM/FM get in return for that money? Status quo? Well, there's your answer.
Bush MAY BE to blame for a whole lot of things, and certainly IS for some, but "reckless deregulation which led to the current catastrophe" is NOT one of them.
The left can rewrite history all it wants, and it certainly will just as it always has. But it would be nice if you guys just had the nuts once in a while to stand up and take responsibility for the problems that you HAVE caused.
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Loki520
That's because they had far more beans than brains.
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VOR
smith, you are right, I've learned that America preserves your right to speak freely regardless how ridiculous your viewpoints. You can thank me and all Americans by continuing to share your ignorance on things great and small on the very technology developed, built and advanced by Americans.
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TooFarGone
' I saw a cartoon featurinf two martians landing from outer space. Upon encountering GWB they say, "Take us to your president-elect." '
That's about right.
Conservatives are from planet earth.
Who knows where libs are from.
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smithinjapan
VOR: Wrong-o, my friend! Yet another young buck who actually thinks the system of Democracy was built by the REPUBLIC of the USA! The modern system of democracy was started in Greece, with the longest running Democracy prize going to the Isle of Man. There are other countries around the world far more 'democratic' than the USA, with one just a little north allowing far more freedom of speech than the south.... or wait, did bush not approve domestic spying, checking of email, etc?
So, actually, you're welcome to thank ME for educating YOU on the history of democracy and how badly the bush government has changed its meaning.
Again, though, not to worry... Obama is going to make your country actually WORTH learning from again, and set it on the path to being an example that Americans can be proud of. I'm not dissing the USA at all; on the contrary; your country has the power to be a global leader instead of the global joke it's been for the last eight years. And even then I'm not dissing the USA, just dissing the current government and those who believe that it was good for the past eight years despite knowing it was not. You can thank Obama for already improving the reputation of the US abroad, and for what he will bring in the coming years.
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smithinjapan
skipthesong: "I didn't say that, but while several posters believe Obama's greatness is that he is black, why can't I do that same and not get flack for it? I personally think Obama owes us a lot and I haven't seen anything yet, even potentially."
I find it interesting that you claim a lot of people think Obama's greatness is that he is black, while you think he is lacking because he didn't choose more Hispanics, and if he HAD chosen more you would think he's great. True, there probably ARE a number of people that are proud a (half) African-American is soon to be President, but I think more think it's great to have an African-American man as president for a change, and not necessarily that Obama is great because he's black.
What's more, while McCain and Palin could do nothing but cough up the same, tired old Republican hate-mongering during the election, Obama actually talked about changing the USA and improving it's image; he gave people hope instead of instilling them with fear (a tactic that won bush a second term).
Anyway, skip, I DO agree with you that it'll be excellent to one day see a Hispanic person as President, or even more Hispanic people in the White House, but as you preach that it's not right to like Obama solely because he's black, you shouldn't also want people in office solely because they are Hispanic; you should want them because, like Obama, they are going to lead the country in a positive manner, with excellent results.
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skipthesong
smitty, come on, give me a break. I was joking, but yes, a great many and on this board have stated such. Which is why I brought it up.
If he doesn't find a Hispanic, and I mean the right one, I actually won't be offended. I would prefer he doesn't just simply put one in just to please me, but instead find the actual ones who can do the job and care enough about the country to make something work.
Believe me, there are a lot of Hispanic politicians who I just cringe when I hear them speak. Richardson on the other hand, I would prefer he be in a better position, but not because he is Hispanic (half actually) but because he was one of the few who reached across aisles to get things done. BTW, I didn't even know he was Hispanic decent until a short time ago.
One thing though, you put a Hispanic in the White House, you will have a much better band for the president. Even hve dance classes in gyms across the entire country.
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TooFarGone
It is fascinating - and commendable- to see how non-Americans come here to learn about the United States of America. Some even go to the trouble to learn about governors from minor states like New Mexico, in order to find ways to help minorities and women in places like Canada overcome the racism and sexism still so prevalent there.
Good work.
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skipthesong
toofargone:
I think your post is due to the fact that basically the low end, middle class white guy is out.
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Betzee
Could be. But the GWB administration hardly provided a good example of fiscal responsibility when it it blew through five trillion, refusing to raise taxes on the grounds it would undermine "our great economy."
Home ownership itself is a source of wealth redistribution; Uncle Sam allows owners to deduct the interest paid on their mortgages from their taxable income. If you're a renter, well it's coming out of your pocket.
As the Republican Party finds its fortunes ebbing, just a few years after Karl Rove confidently predicted "a permanent Republican majority," some revisionist scholars have come up with some startling conclusions. Specifically, modern-day conservatism should not be traced back to Barry Goldwater but Joseph McCarthy, who invented "the fear card."
While Goldwater wanted to shrink the federal government, McCarthy had no vision of government in that regard. Neither did Nixon or GWB, both were perfectly willing to expand the reach of Uncle Sam's largesse to garner votes while at the same time playing "the fear card." This time around many voters were savvy enough to realize many popular government entitlements such as Medicare and farm subsidies, expanded by Republican administrations, could easily be labeled socialism so the scary vision of Obama as a fella bent on radical restructuring fell kinda flat.
As a historian observed, "Republicans continue to push the idea that this is a center-right country and that Americans have swooned for GOP anti-government posturing all these years, but the real electoral bait has been anger, recrimination and scapegoating. That's why John McCain kept describing Barack Obama as some sort of alien and why Palin, taking a page right out of the McCarthy playbook, kept pushing Obama's relationship with onetime radical William Ayers.
And that is also why the Republican Party, despite the recent failure of McCarthyism, is likely to keep moving rightward, appeasing its more extreme elements and stoking their grievances for some time to come. There may be assorted intellectuals and ideologues in the party, maybe even a few centrists, but there is no longer an intellectual or even ideological wing. The party belongs to McCarthy and his heirs -- Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly and Palin. It's in the genes."
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sailwind
Betzee
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-gabler30-2008nov30,0,1009632.story
Oped Piece.......Nothing more or less
LA Times
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Betzee
Yeah, opinion pieces, here revisionist scholarship, always are; care to take on the argument? Guess you would have done so if you could have....
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sailwind
McCarthy?.....This is 2008 not the fifties.
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smithinjapan
skip: "One thing though, you put a Hispanic in the White House, you will have a much better band for the president. Even hve dance classes in gyms across the entire country."
Now THAT, I can definitely agree with!
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smithinjapan
TooFarGone: "It is fascinating - and commendable- to see how non-Americans come here to learn about the United States of America."
Actually, we come here to teach you about it. Clearly it's needed, since you still think your former president was a better choice than the President-Elect, and think things like the attacks in Mumbai were based on the timing of the US presidential election. On this thread we have the pleasure of teaching you how much better Obama will be for the nation than GWB ever was, but cautioning you that it will take some time to correct the mistakes bush made that sent your country down the toilet.
Come back anytime, to any thread on things American, and we'll be happy to teach you more. Don't be offended that that's the case, by the way; being an American, it's sometimes hard for people like yourself to step back and see how things really are, being so close to it all and such.
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Sarge
Obama: "Programs for the needy are at risk."
How many billions have been spent on welfare with no tangible results?
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namuo
Yes. We learn from AMERICA. one of most political abuser of the world. Yes. We learn from AMERICA that when recession comes war comes out. Yes. We learn from AMERICA, only has 200 years of history. Yes. We learn from AMERICA, one of most economical abuser. Do you know how subprime starts. Because of Mr.Bush said such things. "we should provide home to low income people, because having home is AMERICAN dream." then when sub-prime Mortgage actually starts and success, he said "we provide more homes to people in our history." ........... We should not believe President Obama yet. Since he choose team Clinton. Also, during the campaign, he did not say much about what actually he will do. He said, Hope, believe, change. Like religious leader will say such things, but actually hard to know what actually mean. I think people individually connect past experience. I really want to ask each people what do you think what actually he talked about hope, believe, change, then I think each answer will be different. And in Politics, there is big big big question. And one more questions is, if President Obama fail, will it be race issue comes again??? I think there still many negative side. Even I know President Obama is smart, yet Politics is really complicated. and Media control also important. I don't want to believe President Obama become like previous Russian President did in media and that is negative side also.
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usaexpat
Smith: I think in the beautiful wellfare society that is America's inner cities that's already the mentality.
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usaexpat
Obama will have his hands full but I'm happy with the people he has surrounded himself with. Time will tell but with the mess he's inheriting from Bush he certainly can only make things better.
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TooFarGone
pure silliness from smithinjapan:
".. it's needed, since you still think your former president was a better choice than the President-Elect,"
Have I ever said this?
No.
Why?
They never ran against one another.
One has had two terms as POTUS.
The other is still President-elect.
There is just no logic in your arguments.
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