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Serrano
"jobs-boosting construction projects"
This sounds suspiciously like government jobs.
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Wolfpack
The announcement that President Obama is finally releasing an economic plan nearly three years into his administration, and shortly on the heals of his Darth Vader bus tour through battleground states in the Midwest, is not anything to get excited about. I don't believe for a minute that any plan he comes up with will be anything other than a rehash of the same old "shovel ready", porkulus, enviro-subsidies, and tax hikes that has led to his current 26% economic approval rating.
Obama has no new ideas. He is only seeking to regain the political initiative from Republicans while he prays the economy will somehow improve over the next 15 months. I still don't think he is capable of putting anything into legislation (in-writing) especially since he is so single-mindedly focused on his reelection above all else.
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paulinusa
"This sounds suspiciously like government jobs."
No, they're private construction company jobs subsidized BY the government.
" I don't believe for a minute that any plan he comes up with will be anything other than a rehash of the same old "shovel ready", porkulus, enviro-subsidies, and tax hikes that has led to his current 26% economic approval rating."
Except for extended unemployment payments, there will be new proposals such as tax incentives to hire the unemployed . Something wrong with that?
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BreitbartVictorious
He can jawbone all he wants, no one seems to believe him anymore.
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TumbleDry
Obama is toast. More QE coming with little impact. He was proven inefficient. Time to change.
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Oracle
BreitbartVictoriousAug. 18, 2011 - 10:07AM JST
A postition I am sure you are very familiar with. But rather than go after his character, just what he says is already rather pointless. The government can certainly kill the economy, but it can't make it recover. All it can do is step back and pray.
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samwatters
"President Barack Obama will propose new ideas to create jobs and help the struggling poor and middle class in a major speech designed to jolt the U.S. economy in early September."
This statement reminds me that there is a fantastic article about the failure of the Obama presidency by Ted Rall. Like Rall, I am a Socialist and was looking forward to shovel-ready jobs, etc. But what happened? Rall theorizes that the US public was so mesmerized by Obama's smooth speeches and calm exterior that we failed to notice that Obama has never really accomplished anything. Obama has never run a company or a city/state, he never published anything (save for his autobiography) during his unremarkable term as a law professor and that he more-often-than-not voted "present" instead of "yea" or "nea" ----suggesting a tendency to duck tough calls----during an equally unimpressive career as a senator.
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BreitbartVictorious
Not all of us, just the gullible.
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Alphaape
@paulinusa: Nothing wrong with the incentives to hire the unemployed, but what will he actually propose? Take a look at an article that has been posted on the web about the last batch of "Green Jobs" that were supposed to occur in Seattle in weatherproofing homes from grants from the first stimulus. To date, $21million has been spent, to hire 14 people (mostly administrators to oversee the project) and only an handful of homes have had the actual work.
I think the best thing Obama could do is say, that Obamacare will not be enacted until we show growth in the economy for at least 2 years, thereby businesses will not be hesitant to hire and not worrying about how they are going to be hit with higher taxes to pay for healthcare.
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yanee
Didn't the USA just spend a few trillion dollars on 'Shovel Ready' jobs to recover the economy? THAT really helped...I guess a few more trillion are needed again to 'get things moving'...hire more people into the Givernment (no...NOT a typo)
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Oracle
BreitbartVictoriousAug. 18, 2011 - 02:18PM JST
The truly gullible expect accomplishments and feats when its better to just sit down, shut up and let things go. I am much happier with the nothing that Obama has accomplished than the mess that Bush accomplished. I hope Obama gets re-elected and accomplishes even less, or better yet forces the government, whether by his own action or inaction, to accomplish nothing.
About the only things I want to see are taxes going up on the wealthy, government down-sized both to save money and curb its number of "accomplishments", and the extra money between the two of them used to make real headway for paying our debts.
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tkoind2
There is so much polar hatred between these parties that nothing is likely to happen. Certainly nothing to help the people. There will be too much stone walling and resistance by congress.
As for Obama being "toast", wishful thinking on the part of the right who have no viable candidate to make that happen. More likely 2012 will just be more of the same intransigence and stagnation.
What America needs is a new FDR. A president willing to put the people first, spend money creating jobs and put people to work. No GOP or DEM candidate out there today has that kind of courage.
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tkoind2
"Obama has never really accomplished anything."
So your answer to that was McCain? Give me a break, we would be having the same conversations swapping out his name for Obama's if this had gone the other way. As no president would have been able to turn this thing around that quickly with a congress in the pockets of interests contrary to the people.
So give it a rest.
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Lieberman2012
Obama's numbers are heading into Bush territory. He needs a challenger from within the party.
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Serrano
"They're private construction company jobs subsidized by the government"
Like I said, government jobs. Government-subsidized jobs are not private sector jobs.
Obama wouldn't know a private-sector job if it came up and hit him on the head.
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samwatters
@tkoind. "So your answer to that was McCain?" I'm a Socialist. Why would McCain be my answer? If my suggestion that Obama has not accomplished anything is not correct, please list the accomplishments and I will acknowledge my error.
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BreitbartVictorious
oracle
Your all too predictable habits of trying to redefine the terms, moving the goal posts and insulting those who best you here.
The 900 billion 'stimulus' , a payoff to the unions and Dem constituencies, was definitely a historical accomplishment, of sorts. Good for the country? No.
The historic government takeover of GM was also quite an accomplishment. Good for the country? No.
Likewise ObamaCare , tho now challenged by a majority of the states in the union, was a "big f----- deal", as VP Joe Biden told us.Good for the country? No.
In Libya Obama has flouted the War Powers Act. Oracle calls this doing 'nothing.'
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BreitbartVictorious
tkoind, imagining a past that never existed
Governments do not create prosperity.
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yabits
Really? Dick Cheney might be in a position to argue with that. After all, when he took over Halliburton in 1995, less than 20% of Halliburton's revenues came from government contracts. Within a year or two of taking over, the company moved up from 78th position to 19th on the list of companies receiving the most government money. (And government contracts provided over half of Halliburton's income.)
So your message above is a simpleton's message for other simpletons.
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sailwind
Obama to lay out new jobs plan in Sept speech
Gosh, can't wait for that barnburner of a speech meself.
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Madverts
Obama could find a cure for the economy , AIDS, andcancer and you radical, right-wing activist types would still be throwing tea-bags into a head wind, sailwind.
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Laguna
Meanwhile, it's been fun to watch Perry being sniped at by the Wall Street Journal for calling Bernanke a traitor. It seems that the business core of the Republican party is growing nervous with what has been unleashed. I'd say we'll see a growing movement both amongst Wall Street and Main Street to maintain the status quo through 2016.
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sailwind
Obama could find a cure for the economy , AIDS, andcancer and you radical, right-wing activist types would still be throwing tea-bags into a head wind, sailwind.
Madverts,
9.1 percent unemployment is his cure so far.
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sailwind
Madverts,
Also I have been posting on J.T for almost 6 years now, and now I am a radical right-wing activist?
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yabits
Head-wind indeed. A recent survey* found the average American's approval of the Tea Party now less than that for atheists and Muslims.
A sergeant in the Army -- a darling of the birther faction of the Tea Party -- has just been discharged for making virulent comments against President Obama that his fellow soldiers found disturbing.
*The survey, by Campbell and Putnam of the University of Notre Dame (a fairly conservative school), found that Tea Party members are far more likely than average Americans to hold minorities and immigrants in very low regard. The intent of the survey was not the Tea Party, but a reflection of the attitudes of a random sampling of the American public. (I am hoping that JT might cover this timely and controversial story.)
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Madverts
sailwind,
" been posting on J.T for almost 6 years now, and now I am a radical right-wing activist?"
Not now, it's been developing since the decline of the un-popular Bush, something you radicals like ignore by whining about Obama's performance. I've watched you become more radcialized year in year out. Don't kknow what happened to you mate.
Obama inherited the worst mess the US has ever known. The job situation, or the economy isn't something that was ever goping to be fixed rapidly. Or painlessly. Discussing anything with you partisan nuts is, as you can imagine, like peeing into a head wind.
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Madverts
yabits,
Since Obama's election all the radicals here (well those that didn't change their handles) have been openly hoping for Obama to fail. Their own president.
The gentleman above recently called for America to default on it's debt, claims not to be a member of the loon fringe of the right wing. It beggars belief.
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Oracle
yabitsAug. 18, 2011 - 10:12PM JST
As much as I love your posts yabits, the statement was essentially correct. What the government did was give the prosperity to Halliburton, not create it. Of course the terms "prosperity" and "create" are rather imprecise and the whole statement could be thrown into the garbage for those terms alone, but we can guess what they mean.
Of course though, strictly speaking the government can boost the economy and create jobs, but we all know that in practice, that is not what happens in aggregrate. Mostly the government is just a drag on everything.
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Oracle
BreitbartVictoriousAug. 18, 2011 - 06:06PM JST
But only after you agreed he accomplished nothing. A little late to complain now. You seem to be quite the opportunist with no solid positions to speak of, apparently afraid they will prevent you from making the max number of annoyances possible from one man. You remind me of Newt Gringrich that way.
I also don't agree with the stimulus or the abuse of power concerning Libya. No lover of the health package but something had to be done. Don't know what you are on about with GM.
But you could just replace "nothing" with "very little". I might not be happy with Obama, but at least I don't entertain ideas of second amendment options like I did with Bush 2.
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Taka313
I'm glad the president is finally talking about jobs. The republicans promised us jobs in 2010 but boehner and the boys haven't introduced a single job creating bill. If the House isn't going to do the job, the President is going to have to step up and do it for them.
Taka
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yabits
I guess I was looking at it both from Halliburton's point of view -- and from the perspective of those who owned shares in the company through its dramatic rise from receiving plum government contracts from former Defense Secretary Cheney.
Another example I had in mind was the government-funded National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis, which spearheaded the search for a vaccine for polio -- and who employed Jonas Salk. (Health and prosperity are closely related.) If any source of capital can be said to potentially create prosperity, then I don't see why a pool of capital collected from "we the people" is any different than a pool of funds from investors. I understand why a certain class of right-wing loony would want to tell us they are different.
Opportunist is putting it mildly. A better description can be had by looking under Donald Segretti and the colorful term he coined to describe what he did to Democrats.
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TigermothII
As an observer of sorts I find it amusing that the virulent Obama supporters are a lot more quiet these days, or at least less demonstrative of the belief that he can affect change. The only arguments being drug out are the same old lame crap about the tea party and Halliburton. What does that have to do with creating jobs and the President's lack of success so far in this regard?
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Serrano
"Obama inherited the worst mess the US has ever known"
Hey, he wanted the job. And he got it. But while we're on the topic of inheriting stuff, Obama inherited an unemployment rate under 6% and a triple-A credit rating. Didn't he?
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BreitbartVictorious
Is this like a game or something? Who can get the most creatively delusional in their defense of Obama's failed presidency? It's Bush's fault! It's Bush's fault that Obama broke all the promises he made?
Obama broke his campaign promise that congressional health care negotiations would be held live on C-SPAN. One sixth of the economy was sabotaged in secret by Democrat committees.
It's Bush' fault!
Obama declared lobbyists would have no place in his White House. He lied, but
It's Bush' fault!
Obama fans actually believed him when he said all bills could be reviewed by the public on the WH web site for a period of five days. But that too was just a lie.
It's Bush' fault!
In January of this year, addressing the nation in his SOTU speech, Obama takes credit for having turned things around - "Two years after the worst recession most of us have ever known, the stock market has come roaring back." By August our economy had been downgraded by ratings agency for the first time in history.
It's Bush' fault!
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HumanTarget
Obama is creating jobs, where under Bush jobs were being lost. Republicans: "It's Obama's fault he isn't fixing the economy as well as Bush screwed it up!"
Right, Breitbart?
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Serrano
"Obama is creating jobs"
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Anything to back that one up?
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yabits
Kind of like the way Bush inherited a budget surplus and an intact World Trade Center.
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Serrano
yabits: "Kind of like the way Bush inherited a budget surplus and an intact World Trade Center"
This is a new low for yabits. As if Bush was responsible for the 9/11 attacks, and was supposed to do nothing about them, lest threaten the budget surplus, lol.
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yabits
He inherited an intact WTC, and the FBI had caught one of the hijackers fully a month prior to the attacks, but the Bush Administration refused the FBI permission to search the man's computer -- effectively tying the hands of the FBI. A Gore administration certainly wouldn't have refused permission -- anyone remember Janet Reno? -- and the FBI would soon have been hot on the trail of the others.
Because so many stupid Americans believe Republicans can do no wrong, America will have to continue to suffer from their gross incompetence and dishonesty.
Bush did not increase revenues to pay for the two wars he started -- one of them totally unnecessary. He put them completely on the credit card. For the first time in history, the United States actually cut taxes in a time of war.
Because so many stupid Americans believe Republicans can do no wrong, America will have to continue to suffer from their gross incompetence and dishonesty.
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BreitbartVictorious
" Folks, uh, I will give a great speech, in September. "
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