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    GJDailleult

    There is an amusing/scary poll out there with the question "Who's responsible for the economic meltdown?". About 50% of Republicans blame Obama, and another 40% or so blame Congress. About 50% of Democrats blame Bush, and independents are about 35/35/10 blaming Congress, Obama, and Bush.

    In other words most Americans have no understanding at all what has happened and is happening in their country (and no I am not going to waste my time explaining it). It would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.

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    yabits

    In other words most Americans have no understanding at all what has happened and is happening in their country (and no I am not going to waste my time explaining it). It would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.

    If there's a symbolic precedent -- or "historical," depending on your viewpoint -- it's the tower of Babel, where the Almighty purposely caused total confusion amongst the people involved.

    You are right: Americans have very little understanding of what has brought about the conditions they are experiencing. Knee-jerk conservatives look for liberals to blame. They can't accept the fact that in that past 50 years, Republicans have been in control for well over half of them.

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    RomeoRamenII

    Been watching political ads on You Tube this campaign season. Since the democrats can't run on their accomplishments in the House and Senate, they've resorted to personal smear tactics.

    For example, democrat ads have transformed Kentucky republican House candidate Andy Barr into "a convicted criminal" -- complete with images yellow police tape and fuzzy video of crime scenes. Not mentioned in the ad is his crime: As a college student 19 years ago, he was caught using a fake ID during spring break.

    Those watching this year's ads will notice a striking difference between democrat and republican attack ads: Democrats are attacking over personal issues, republicans are attacking over policy.

    The democrats are hitting their republican opponents over past legal transgressions like using fake IDs when they were college students and speeding tickets. Republicans are hammering democrats over the economy and the Barack Hussein Memorial Health Care Scam.

    The democrats closing argument: Personal attacks.

    RR

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    MisterCreosote

    The democrats closing argument: Personal attacks.

    And the closing arguments of their supporters - - attacks upon their own country.

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    skipbeat

    Obama spent his first two years as president blaming Bush and the Republicans. Obama distorted the facts when it was the Democrats who have the majority in both the House and Senate. Obama's agenda was different than the people, wanting work who were lay off from their jobs. Obama's vision of America is that of his own making. A suppose united country and not a Christian nation. Obama is the opposite of what America was founded on.

    Obama and the Democrats worked with the insurance companies to mandate the universal health insurance so they can make money. Whose interest were they working for?

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    jruaustralia

    A defiant President Barack Obama campaigned for an endangered Democratic congressman Friday as he tried to rally his party nationwide to prevent big gains by Republicans in Tuesday’s elections.

    It's already too late for most of these men that should, by all means, lose their seats next Tuesday.

    AND FOR THOSE DEMOCRATS AND WHITE LIBS that intend to regret in vain what could have been, let the Republicans and the TP renegades know that within the central left some too welcomes their call for lean and small government. Instead of crying over spilled milk, come Wednesday after the midterm, the left should complement and hold to responsibility that message of small and sensible governance in the US....

    For example, democrat ads have transformed Kentucky republican House candidate Andy Barr into "a convicted criminal" -- complete with images yellow police tape and fuzzy video of crime scenes. Not mentioned in the ad is his crime: As a college student 19 years ago, he was caught using a fake ID during spring break.

    SAD-- those responsible for the ad should lose their jobs. But it resonates what we ordinary folks know-well about politics, that it's a cynical world and if you wanted a friend you should get yourself a dog.

    Obama's agenda was different than the people, wanting work who were lay off from their jobs.

    OBAMA's priority should now center on US deficits. I think he already promised that, and if there's one message that should resonate between two warring sides of US politics, it is that US deficit is clogging up the recovery process. Focus on this and that way America can move forward for the better.

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    Sarge

    How can the Democrats need salvaging? Haven't they been leading the country in the right direction?

    yabits: "Americans have little understanding of what has brought about the conditions they are experiencing"

    Oh, but yabits does, LOL.

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    YongYang

    The O'Donnell train is no different than the wreak Palin has crashed upon, they're both ignorant politicians who got there positions based on a popularity contest. To not truly understand the very basis of "the seperation of church and state" shows O'Donnell's knowledge of the constitution, or should I say the 'lack' of knowledge. Its one of the main principals that our founding fathers believed in. Not just freedom of relegion but freedom from others relegions who would seek to dominate the minority. As much as I believe in God myself I still believe that all people have the right to choose and their government should not get involved in their rights to religion. This door swings both ways which is why the tea partiers and the religious right wings are out of touch with our constitution. They prefer to "interpret" it to their own liking , similar to Rev Larry and his "interpretation" of the Bible. Sorry but "interpretations" leave to much room for misunderstandings, I prefer black and white and I think the constitution is good at defining ambiguitys that the tea partiers twist to there own benefit.

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    YongYang

    Bugger, that was meant to be in quotes. I personally do not believe in the supernatural.

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    Badsey

    If we could just get the politicians off the pot -I am sure Joe the Plumber and sidekicks Mario & Luigi could fix this septic situation. =So far it seems that Washington does not want to fix this situation. Good for the bankers/Fed/Goldman Sachs though --> making money like never before, but the foreclosure lawsuits could end that.

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    MisterCreosote

    Yangyong:"The O'Donnell train is no different than the wreak Palin has crashed upon, they're both ignorant politicians who got there positions based on a popularity contest. To not truly understand the very basis of "the seperation of church and state" shows O'Donnell's knowledge of the constitution, or should I say the 'lack' of knowledge. Its one of the main principals that our founding fathers believed in."

    Palin a train wreck? Her book outsold both of Obama's. Repub candidates clamor for her endorsement,Dems now fear Obama's. Trainwreck? That would be the HopeyChangey Express.

    ODonnell simply denied that the First Amendment requires “the separation of church and state.” And she is correct. Nowhere does it say that. In its historical context the document sought to forbid the establishment of a state religion - such as Anglicanism. (Several states had established religions: Congregationalism in parts of Connecticut and New Hampshire, Anglicanism in Virginia.)

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    yabits

    Palin a train wreck? Her book outsold both of Obama's.

    Palin's "dislike" ratings don't even edge out OJ Simpson's at the time of his trial. As for "her book," -- which she could never have written herself. -- it's unlikely that it outsold Dreams From My Father, which has been reprinted many times and translated into more than 25 languages.

    (And actually read by millions of people around the world.)

    Going Rogue is a study in mediocrity.

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    Sarge

    "Going Rogue is a study in mediocrity"

    What about Obama trying to salvage the Democrats?

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    yabits

    What about Obama trying to salvage the Democrats?

    If we start with the millions of mediocre minds like Palin and Limbaugh, and their mindless followers, injecting their poisonous divisiveness into the American body politic day after day, it is no wonder that good and decent people will require salvaging in the first place.

    The Republican/TBagP conceit is that they want to run a government that they claim not to believe in as a force for securing a better life for the American people. Wanting to return to return to power the conservative types who caused so much of the damage our nation is digging itself out of is the very definition of stupidity.

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    YongYang

    Creosote: It's as if you are willing to go to any lengths to blindly support any Republican, no matter how ignorant, stupid or wrong they are.

    Christine O'Donnell is a know-nothing airhead. I cannot believe that the GOP intellectuals are getting behind her. Are you so desperate to get back in power that you would support "nut-jobs"? When Coons supplies the "government shall make no establishment of religion" paraphrase, O'Donnell replies with a skeptical smirk as she says "That's in the First Amendment" with an "Oh, really?" tone. If she really knew that the First Amendment prohibits an establishment of religion, she certainly didn't do a good job of making that clear.

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    WilliB

    And in 2 years, after yet more Obanamonics and economic slide, they will still blame the other political party for it. Mark my words.

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    sailwind

    Just a little advice for Liberals if they actually ever want to gain power again and be the dominant choice of the people when it comes who they elect to be the Government.

    Calling people who have honest disagreements with you and the progressive philosophy,.....'racists' 'idiots'... 'ignorant'.... 'tbaggers'....etc. Really turns people off, smacks of arrogance and is a real big reason your being tossed out November 2nd throughout the entire nation and not just in the red states.

    I'd really work on that first if ever want to be relevant again in the national debate as to what the proper role of Government should be in the average American life.

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    yabits

    ODonnell simply denied that the First Amendment requires “the separation of church and state.” And she is correct. Nowhere does it say that.

    LOL!! Well, if one takes in more than 230 years of judicial rulings affirming that, in essence, the First Amendment does require a separation of church and state, one is left with the conclusion that Ms. O'Donnell is an airhead whackadoodle. Her defenders are not much better.

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    YongYang

    'Honest'? There is the rub Sail. This is an odd defense, no? It's not like she was mounting your argument; Coons was using language from like, the intro of the amendment, and she was reflexively questioning the veracity. It wasn't a moment of intellectual nuance; it was "oh, so you're telling me that GRAVITY is why we're not all floating over mountains right now, huh?"

    Sure, the separation of church and state is more Jeffersonian concept than Constitutional principle, but that's not what she was saying.

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    yabits

    And in 2 years, after yet more Obanamonics and economic slide...

    The economy is no longer sliding. By the same measurements Republicans would use if one of their own was in the White House, the economy has been growing very slowly over the past 9 months.

    We have to go back to 2000 to see the real slide. The incoming president was given a federal budget in balance, with projected surpluses that could have been used to pay down the national debt. Instead, the Republicans spent more on discretionary programs than any administration since LBJ's.

    The prior administration promoted a "strong dollar policy" and an "ownership society" where everyone should own a home. (How did that all work out?) A mere seven years later, the US was on the verge of collapse.

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    Wanting to return to return to power the conservative types who caused so much of the damage our nation is digging itself out of is the very definition of stupidity.

    Lol! Yes, and that is like half the country! Haha, you get the government you deserve, I guess.

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    yabits

    Just a little advice for Liberals if they actually ever want to gain power again and be the dominant choice of the people when it comes who they elect to be the Government.

    Wrong. Liberals will become the dominant choice after the people get the same taste of Republican/conservative/TBagP "medicine" that was foisted on us over the last decade.

    The first Republican president used to say that you could "fool some of the people ALL of the time." Those people can rightfully be termed "idiots" and thank goodness we're seeing them support the return of the party that took the US from a balanced budget and surpluses in 2000 to the brink of collapse seven years later.

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    yabits

    I'd really work on that first if ever want to be relevant again in the national debate as to what the proper role of Government should be in the average American life.

    The proper role of the federal government has been established with ample precedent over the past 150 years. When a few states wanted to dissolve their relationship with it, the first Republican president used extreme force in the bloodiest conflict in this hemisphere to bring those states back in.

    When the great Depression brought massive unemployment -- again after decades of rule by conservative business interests -- We the People turned to a president who used the power of the federal government to intervene to restore faith (and heavy regulations) in the banking and credit systems, as well as launch a whole host of other programs to improve the lives of the American people.

    When the economy looked like it was going to collapse again in 2007, the Republican leadership couldn't abandon their beliefs fast enough to get a Keynesian rescue package into place to salvage the financial industry and what was left of their political legacy. Even Greenspan admitted that his long-held beliefs about the benefits of reduced government regulation were terribly wrong.

    Unintelligent people want to act as if these things never happened.

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    They prefer to "interpret" it to their own liking , similar to Rev Larry and his "interpretation" of the Bible. Sorry but "interpretations" leave to much room for misunderstandings, I prefer black and white

    Lol! So you are a biblical literalist?

    The constitution and other laws of the land are open to interpretation, which is why America has a supreme court to interpret the law.

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    yabits

    Really turns people off, smacks of arrogance and is a real big reason your being tossed out November 2nd throughout the entire nation and not just in the red states.

    What some conservatives term as "arrogance" is the ability of those liberals who criticized their insane tax cuts and push for deregulation (ie: less government) to be proven right, and thus say: "We told you so." Ample arrogance lies among the conservatives who can never bring themselves to admit they are wrong about anything.

    Admittedly, they prefer returning to power people whose policies have proven disastrous over being told that such a course of action is the stuff of idiots.

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    sailwind

    Admittedly, they prefer returning to power people whose policies have proven disastrous over being told that such a course of action is the stuff of idiots.

    No offense there yabits, but if liberals are so smart how come they've managed to turn off the electorate, lose independents and are about to actually throw themselves out of power?

    I'd take another hard look at how you've managed to pull off that stunning political and intellectual brilliance before I would deride those who are sending you out the door this November 2nd as 'idiots'.

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    yabits

    but if liberals are so smart how come they've managed to turn off the electorate, lose independents and are about to actually throw themselves out of power?

    A large percentage of the electorate believed that the Democrats should have put job creation as the highest priority. The failure to meet the unemployment target they set is the prime cause for disenchantment among independents, in my opinion. Put another way, if somehow the economy had created jobs much faster than projected, would this group be as "turned off" as you claim? I don't think so.

    Unlike many of my opponents, I don't see this election as providing much in the way of vindication of either side. Republicans are just as much disliked and distrusted by the electorate as are Democrats. The mere fact of incumbency makes many of these people targets, especially those first-term Democrats who won seats by thin margins in historically conservative districts.

    But it still comes down to a choice. If voters really want to send people of the caliber of a Christine O'Donnell, Carl Paladino, or Sharron Angle to represent them, they are using the same kind of flawed thinking used to put George W. Bush in the White House twice. Toughlove compels me to label it exactly as I see it: Idiotic.

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    YongYang

    The GOP ain't gonna do what it thinks it is gonna do as effectively as it thinks. Come Wednesday you're gonna see the reality of the majority moving away from 'folksy--reactionary-fear-mongering-witchcraft', you'll wake up from the Palin train-wreak BUT hopefully still let her keep the keys. Stand back and take a look at what you are supporting, 'It's the stupidity, stupid'.

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    jruaustralia

    The failure to meet the unemployment target they set is the prime cause for disenchantment among independents, in my opinion. Put another way, if somehow the economy had created jobs much faster than projected, would this group be as "turned off" as you claim? I don't think so.

    Unlikely-- commentators have been saying for quite some time now that even with a turnaround there would be no 'salvaging' for the Democrats, that's a damning indictment of OBAMA's leadership question. It's tempting to postulate right now-- but it's already too late for the House Dems and some in the upper chamber :(

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    jruaustralia

    The GOP ain't gonna do what it thinks it is gonna do as effectively as it thinks. Come Wednesday you're gonna see the reality of the majority moving away from 'folksy--reactionary-fear-mongering-witchcraft', you'll wake up from the Palin train-wreak BUT hopefully still let her keep the keys. Stand back and take a look at what you are supporting, 'It's the stupidity, stupid'.

    Palin isn't bad. I had to replay some of the youtube 2008 vids and I can see that she really wanted break from the establishment (Republican that is). They were her problem from the start anyway... and obviously she's now getting her sweet revenge. But OBAMA is a cautionary tale isn't it-- to those seeking change. AND I'M GUESSING THAT IN A FEW MONTHS TIME THE T.P. RENEGADES (Like the Prez who persuaded everyone about change) will just be another Republican caucus :(

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    MisterCreosote

    AP is reporting a whopping 47 percent of registered Democrats want Obama to face a primary opponent in 2012.

    Obama cannot lead his own party, let alone the United States of America.

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    michaelqtodd

    Just watched the Elvira spoof of Christine O`Donnell on You Tube. "I am you" ( but with bigger tits) Pretty funny. Nearly 15 million Americans out of work? Wait for a years time after the Republicans stop Obama borowing more to keep propping up failing companies and industries.There could be double that out of work

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    RomeoRamenII

    “Political season is going to be over soon,” the president said. “And when it does, all of us are going to have a responsibility, Democrats and Republicans, to work together wherever we can to promote jobs and growth.”

    Heh, this is the guy who campaigned in 2008 by referring not to a "Red America" or a "Blue America" but a United States of America but then urged Hispanics to vote by saying: "We're gonna punish our enemies and we're gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us."

    This is the same guy who suggested that if republicans gain control of the House and/or Senate as forecast, instead of reconciliation and unity he expects "hand-to-hand combat" on Capitol Hill?

    Just words. Just speeches.

    RR

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    MisterCreosote

    If voters really want to send people of the caliber of a Christine O'Donnell, Carl Paladino, or Sharron Angle to represent them, they are using the same kind of flawed thinking used to put George W. Bush in the White House twice. Toughlove compels me to label it exactly as I see it: Idiotic.

    That general reaction of lashing out at others for your failures is almost the essence of "Liberalism" - although Obama has divided his own party it is somehow the fault of "the other side", now held in such childish contempt by an immensely frustrated Obama that he won't even address them by their party's name.

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    Sarge

    I can't wait until Obama is voted out.

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    jruaustralia

    AP is reporting a whopping 47 percent of registered Democrats want Obama to face a primary opponent in 2012. Obama cannot lead his own party, let alone the United States of America.

    All I can say is -- remember 1992 when conservative icon PJB challenged G.H.W Bush and pulled an emphatic 38% in NH and a total 3 mil primary votes at the end of the campaign period.

    Obviously anything can happen, and let's not discount anyone just yet.

    That general reaction of lashing out at others for your failures is almost the essence of "Liberalism" - although Obama has divided his own party it is somehow the fault of "the other side", now held in such childish contempt by an immensely frustrated Obama that he won't even address them by their party's name.

    Are they the Republicans or the T.P renegade? But the question's immaterial in the end, I suppose, because OBAMA should have projected an image of freshness and credibility during the mid-term, yet dogged by the issue of incumbency and trust. It's an odd world, and we can postulate all we like.

    Latest poll acc. to CBS/ NYT points to a comfortable win for the Reps. Nevada's Harry REID will lose out to new face Sharron ANGLE but the Dems will likely retain the Senate leadership.

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