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  RedMeatKoolAid at 07:49 PM JST - 3rd July

  "The truth of the matter is you and most of the Republicans who oppose Obama have little else to go on when it comes to his candidacy other than whether or not he’s wearing little US Flag pins."

  Hardly. Most conservatives judge politicians by the positions they take on the issues. It's quite simple.

  Obama is to the left of the only avowed socialist in the US Senate, Bernie Sanders of Vermont. It's a matter of public record. http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/

  He wants to raise taxes.

  He wants to raise the tax on capital gains from 15 to 25 and maybe even 28 percent.

  He opposed Illinois legislation that was designed to protect the lives of infants who survive abortions.

  Obama still hasn't released his birth certificate.

  He still won't clarify his relationship with Tony Rezko. And more troubling is how his 'flexible' position on Iraq appears to have mirrored Rezko's investments - he was initially opposed to the war but when Rezko and his network land contracts in Iraq Obama says his position is not that different from Bush's.

  It was revealed yesterday that Obama, who likes to portray himself as the sharing folks' indignation about the sub prime fiasco, was himself recipient of a sweetheart deal:

  "Compared with the average terms offered at the time in Chicago, Obama's rate could have saved him more than $300 per month." - Washington Post, July 2, 2008 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/01/AR2008070103008.html?hpid=topnews

  His mentor in Hawaii, Frank Marshall Davis, was a diehard sentimental old communist. Obama concealed his identity in his book.

  Obama - who we are supposed to revere for his superior 'judgement' - sat for 20 years in the church of bitter, angry neo-segregationist nutjob, having chosen this ,uh, house of worship and congregation from among many in Chicago, making Obama either an admirer of Wright's racist Black Liberation Theology or a hopelessly naive man-child.

  Most glaring though is his complete lack of accomplishments.

  There is nothing presidential about the man.

  As senator he has broken at least 2 federal laws.

  I question his patriotism.

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  Betzee at 08:24 PM JST - 3rd July

  He wants to raise taxes. He wants to raise the tax on capital gains from 15 to 25 and maybe even 28 percent.

  We have added nearly USD five trillion to the national debt over the past eight years since GWB introduced his tax cuts, any other ideas on how to pay it off?

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  LFRAgain at 10:29 PM JST - 3rd July

  Yeah, I was gonna say. How, precisely, is the US supposed to recover from this staggering debt it's racked up as a result of a piss-poor economy coupled with the astronomical costs of a war in Iraq and Afghanistan? Who's going to pay down this debt and how? Republicans? You mention the word "tax" and they collapse in paroxysm of litanies against the evils of Socialism, ignoring all the while that taxation, yes, TAXATION, i.e., a shared investment by the entire populace in the wellbeing and future of the nation, is what makes this country go.

  You rage against taxation and send your kids to private schools. You rage against taxation and form exclusive communities that keep out the "riff-raff." You rage against taxation and do everything in your power to maintain the illusion that this little Merry-Go-round we're all on functions just fine without the "riff-raff" (see the latest anti-immigration craze that is the bread and butter of Republican dinnertime conversation), and you are completely oblivious to the eventuality that one day, much sooner than later, the poor who have been left behind to watch you tool around in your luxury cars and expensive homes paid for with regular mortgages rather than the scam that was sub-prime mortgages issued by banks with, well, let's just say it for what it is, wealthy Republicans at the helm, are going to look with envy at all the wealth that continues to come to you through a system manipulated and rigged in your favor, and they're going to come to a momentous decision:

  They're going to come and take your wealth from you.

  Not all the guns in every wealthy household in America are going to be enough to fend off their rage, because - and this is the richest irony of all - thanks to the Republican-backed NRA, the poor have, if nothing else, a whole lot of guns too.

  So, yeah. Keep on whining about taxation and how we don't need it. Keep on lessening the chance that a child in a public school will ever succeed while you retreat to school vouchers and private schooling. Go ahead and refuse to be a part of the entire community (not just the White one) and go ahead and give the poor an excuse to just take by force what you believe is yours by birthright.

  You’re gonna’ hang yourselves and everyone else in this nation on those bootstraps you keep going on about if you don’t get your heads out of you collective behinds and do something to actually help the entire country, rather than just your own bank accounts.

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  adaydream at 03:02 AM JST - 4th July

  I see the ad here that has a picture of george bush in front of the Whitehouse and ask the question, "WAR CRIMINAL?"

  I say yes. And that War Criminal backs McCain.

  Ha!! Nuff said!! < :-)

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  USARonin at 04:53 PM JST - 5th July

  "Obama vows not to question anyone's patriotism"

  No kiddin'. I wonder why.

  Obama can start by not questionin' his wife's.

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  JoeBigs at 12:17 PM JST - 6th July

  As an Independent Voter I support Obama and I find those that claim to be Patriots nothing more than empty suits. At least he is not going to go after someone Patriotism.........

  Ok anyone here wears their Patriotism on their jacket? In my book, the folks that wear those little happy happy pins would not defend the Constitution for no reason.

  Gut check baby, what would you defend......The Constitution or the Flag?

  My book I did not join and serve to defend the Flag, I did it to defend the Constitution.

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  WilliB at 12:05 PM JST - 7th July

  What Obama is saying that that topic is uncomfortable for him, so anyone who brings it up will be smeared as a racist or some such. Simple and effective.

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  zurcronium at 08:34 PM JST - 7th July

  someone should question the war record of McCain. According to many POWs during vietnam he was nicknamed the songbird by the VC due his singing before they could ask him any questions. But at least he served in the war while bush cowered in some bar in texas afraid to go on the line for his country.

  No matter, no one as old as mccain can win the presidency, songbird or no.

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  USARonin at 08:44 PM JST - 7th July

  zurchromium, you've confused McCain with someone else.

  The enemy offered McCain early parole because of the propaganda value it would bring for releasing the son and grandson of two US naval admirals.

  McCain followed the Military Code of Conduct and refused early parole.

  McCain was also one of the most brutally treated prisoners in captivity from Day One, and the last I heard, he still can't raise his arms above his head.

  zurchromium, you may be hearin' songbirds, but no one else is.

  And I see you're still upset with Dubya for winnin' the presidency... twice.

  I feels your pain.

  USAR

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  zurcronium at 10:27 PM JST - 7th July

  Ronin,

  according to what I heard mccain sang and taped many propaganda films for the VC without being tortured at all. He cant raise up his arm cause he broke them when ejected from his shot down plane, He forgot to raise his arms, he admits this himself.

  so you are just singing the same old song, like mccain did apparently in selling out his fellow POWs who didnt have a Dad who was running the Navy.

  And yes, rove did win those elections for bush. He is running mccains campaign now too insuring that mccain will be just the third term of the bush/rove/cheney axis of incompetence and corruption if elected.

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  USARonin at 10:43 PM JST - 7th July

  zurchromium, what you're sayin' about McCain is just complete silliness.

  The NVA - not VC - didn't treat him for the longest time, and even tortured him on his injuries sustained in his crash.

  Even one of McCain's NVA jailers recently said he respected McCain so much he'd vote for him if he were an American.

  zurchromium, ya gotta sink real low to do what you know you're doin' to a real American hero.

  Real low.

  Bush. President. Twice.

  USAR

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  RedMeatKoolAid at 10:47 PM JST - 7th July

  "According to many POWs during vietnam he was nicknamed the songbird by the VC due his singing before they could ask him any questions."

  Can't post the links/proof, you are no better than the man you imagine Karl Rove to be...

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  USARonin at 11:26 PM JST - 7th July

  JayBee, McCain?

  I think you're confusin' the issue with Hillary and Obama. So many-odd months ago everything was all Hillary, and then as Obama gained momentum, leftists viciously turned on her. It was interestin' to watch the left's short-term conundrum... Hell's bells... Now you're forced to choose between a white woman and a black man. Eventually, leftist white guilt won out and Obama became your candidate.

  A newspaper had a site where a visitor answered about twenty or so questions and their system came up with the guy who best met one's political ideals be it Dem, Repub, Lib or Looneytoons Kucinish. I was told my guy was Mitt Romney.

  Since Romney didn't make it that suggestion is moot.

  I'm still votin' for the most conservative guy on the ticket. If it's McCain, I hope he takes Romney with him.

  USAR

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  zurcronium at 11:43 PM JST - 7th July

  mccain made 20 plus tapes for the enemy while a POW. He says he did this under torture threat but his captors say he was never tortured, although now they would vote for him if they could.

  He has sealed his records of being a POW. If he had nothing to hide he could make them open.

  Songbird and McCain, just google it. Attacks come mostly from the far right, the normal sources for the winger brigade here on JT that is still looking for WMD in Iraq.

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  RedMeatKoolAid at 11:18 AM JST - 8th July

  "Songbird and McCain, just google it. Attacks come mostly from the far right, the normal sources for the winger brigade here on JT that is still looking for WMD in Iraq."

  WMDs are gone. The last batch of Saddam's "non-existent" yellowcake uranium has been secured and shipped out of Iraq. Done in secret.Imagine that, just like they do things in wartime. It arrived last week at a port in Canada.

  Glad that you lot got to help in your own way.

  Moderator: All readers back on topic please.

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