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sincity
Does anybody think the states will ever emulate its more advanced neighbours and have genuinely democratic elections, or are we stuck with these Plutocrats Only Best in Show farces?
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super delegate
"Does anybody think the states will ever emulate its more advanced neighbours..."
Who exactly should we emulate?
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DXXJP
ROCK Paper scissors
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VOR
Have we finally reached the point where the fat lady (in a pantsuit) starts singing?
More than likely not. Democrats have already proven they'd tear the country apart to reobtain power. Clinton is clearly showing the same disregard for her party and the fight will continue on to the bitter end.
Bwah ha ha!
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skipthesong
With only 217 delegates at stake in the final six contests, Clinton has almost no chance of winning enough elected delegates to overtake Obama."
Why is she still bothering?
Additionally, one thing I would like to see is a d: none of the above on ballots. This would force parties to not get complacent.
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RomeoRamenII
Nah, though neither of them are electable, the democrat Punch and Judy show will continue.
RR
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super delegate
"Why is she still bothering?"
Because her husband had 8 years to get his kind of people in place and to make friends. And the Clintonistas are still there, some at the CIA and at the State Dept ,some presiding over courtrooms and obviously not a few in the media.
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usaexpat
Obama is not electable, look at most of the national polls Obama vs. McCain vs. Clinton. Looks like I'm eating my words from a few months ago and reversing position. If the democrats want the white house they have to nominate Hillary. For the record what exactly does Obama stand for again? Oh yeah that's right absolutely nothing.
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Everton2
Obama will win the presidency
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RomeoRamenII
Time to wonder how many SuperDs actually believe that barack can win in the General Election against Mr. McCain.
barack's supporters tend to be predominantly black, young, southern and urban voters. Large urban cities went for barack while the white, rural, and a mix of young and old, voted for hillary. No doubt, the black, urban, young (who feel they are going against the "main stream"), and southern voters are not going to pass up this opportunity for a half black president to win the nomination. This is why they have voted in masses. Thus, creating a real racial split in the democrat party.
What they don't realize is in the General Election Mr. McCain will win against the candidate-whose-middle-name-cannot-be-mentioned. Why? The average white, younger or older, rural voter, plus the average white young or older, urban voter will not vote for barack. He doesn't represent them, just as hillary does not represent the urban, young, black vote. barack cannot win with only predominately large, urban, black populations voting for him. He would have to have the support of the rural, white, older/younger voters as well. Real-time exit polls among those democrats who voted proved he did not fair well in those demographics.
With this in consideration, Mr. McCain will garner the majority of votes as hillary's voters will defect to his side or will cast protest votes for Ralph Nader.
hillary is the best candidate to go up against Mr. McCain. She has proven that she can garner the votes from all spectrum's of the population. With barack you have a rookie senator who has not demonstrated an ability to work with the other side of the aisle. Besides, how can a person who has such a devisive background such as 20 years as a member of a church that preaches hate unite America?
If the jackass party chooses the empty suit as its nominee, the McCain campaign will have an easy road to the White House.
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Everton2
If Hillery is the best candidate why is she not winning the popular vote?
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OssanULTRA
"For the record what exactly does Obama stand for again? Oh yeah that's right absolutely nothing."
He doesn't have to. He's not Hillary. If I were a democrat I would vote for Obama on that basis alone, as stupid as that sounds. Apart from everything I could say about Hillary, I'm not going to let the man who disgraced the office of the US Presidency back into the White House ever again.
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DXXJP
Sorry to inform but this is what were doing now. Dubya will not be back in office but you might look forward to one day seeing Jeb.
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WhiteHawk
Everton2:
You're kidding, right?
Back to the article...
Clinton has sworn to carry on, even if the only thing she will accomplish is highlighting what an idiotic primary system the Democrats have created for themselves. (I'm still waiting for a leftist pundit to figure out how to blame Bush, Cheney or Rove for it.) And while some think that this quagmire is good for the Republicans, I'm not so sure. McCain has been to Iraq, he's had high-level meetings, and he's still campaigning, but does anybody but the political junkies (like me) know it? Yeah, he gets a bit of news coverage here and there, but Clinton and Obama get a great deal more.
Now I know why that is, but I'm just stating the fact that McCain cannot get his message out until the DNC nomination is truly obvious, and that won't happen until the Super Delegates have cast their own votes. That's probably why Clinton is still in. She doesn't care about the "voice of the people", a democracy, a representative republic, damaging her own party, or anything else. And why should she? Her husband got elected to two terms without ever getting a majority vote, so she would have no problem with being nominated by a select group of elite Democrats over-riding the popular vote.
If that were to happen, of course, the backlash within the party would be astounding. I bet Obama's most faithful would stay home or even vote for McCain. But even if Obama gets the nom, there are still a significant percentage of Hillary believers who would do the same. So neither nomination is a guaranteed ticket in the general.
McCain still has to prove himself as well. He certainly wasn't the top choice among conservatives, but he can redeem himself with many of them with his VP pick. A friend of mine joked that he could pick Hillary. Now that's cruel!
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Sarge
"Obama will win the presidency"
How come he couldn't win Indiana?
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SezWho2
Sarge,
Indiana has voted Democratic for president 7 times since 1860. The last time was when it voted for Lyndon Johnson in '64. Prior to that, Hoosiers vote for FDR, but in '32 and '36. They did not vote for him in '40 and they also rejected him in the war year, '44.
Indiana is a likely Republican electoral vote in 2008. But anyone who can figure out what is going on in Indiana should probably be investing in the commodities market. Why did McCain win less than 80% of the Republican vote?
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SezWho2
RomeoRamenII,
I think at the current time polls that project McCain as beating either Hillary or Obama are quite misleading. A large number of Hillary supporters and Obama supporters have expressed an intention to vote for McCain if their candidate fails to win the nomination and I think that is what is driving McCains marginally strong showing at present. From what I have seen and heard, Hillary supporters seem to be more likely to vote for McCain than Obama supporters.
Until the North Carolina primary, if a pollster had given me a straight-up choice between Hillary and McCain I would have chosen McCain. However, I think Obama gave a rather brilliant election night speech and the entry point of that speech was his personal pledge to work for party unity. I think Hillary also spoke about unity but my personal sense of her remarks was that they were strictly pro forma.
I continue to think that Hillary is less electable than Obama because the vote is going to come down to how many young voters turn out and what the independents think. I think we saw a big part of Hillary's problem standing on stage with her Tuesday night--and it wasn't Chelsea, although I think America will get fairly tired of Chelsea fairly quickly. It was the hue-and-expression-modulating face of husband Bill.
In any event, the super delegates probably have a slightly different take on electability than either you or I do for that matter. And they may also be wrestling with a problem that transcends electability--and that is one of who the best representative of their voters is. Electability is only 1 of the criteria. Another, for example, is who the general electorate says it wants. Tuesday night it voted largely for Obama.
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Everton2
Sarge- Indiana is just one state out of many others and part of the process is that you win some and you loose some. The Senator from Illinois has got the nomination locked up. We will be having this discussion in a few months when you will be effectively silenced by Obama's victory. The fact is I have more confidence in the American people than others here and I don't accept that race is going to be the main story. Moreover, I reject the notion that Hillery's supporters will not vote for Obama if he is nominated. That is just a Republican platform of disinformation, there is no evidence to suggest that regardless of the rhetoric of the Sean Hanidy of this world. It hurts some to think that the sacrifices of black Americans are now standing on the precipice of a historic due reward. That one from their community can aspire to the highest office in the land.
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skipthesong
The Senator from Illinois has got the nomination locked up" Yes, it seems that he does.
I have more confidence in the American people" What do you mean by that? If Obama wins you mean and if he doesn't you won't?
I don't accept that race is going to be the main story" No, it is especially if he wins. If it were, why would 99% of black Americans vote for him? Even him getting elected as a senator is questionable. But, that is off topic I guess.
I reject the notion that Hillery's supporters will not vote for Obama if he is nominated" YOu are right, the polarization party politics in the US is gross.. Democrats will vote dem and Repubs will vote Repub, regardless of the candidate's qualifications.
That is just a Republican platform of disinformation, there is no evidence to suggest that regardless of the rhetoric of the Sean Hanidy of this world" YOu are going back to the discussion we had yesterday.. why can't Hanity not like Obama? You statement has racial overtones, and that, if anything is what is hurting Obama for lower income/rural and middle class/middle aged whites.
It hurts some to think that the sacrifices of black Americans are now standing on the precipice of a historic due reward" What is due? saying that takes away the idea of elections.
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Sarge
Everton - "The Senator from Illinois has got the nomination locked up"
Have you talked to the Super Delegates about this?
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Madverts
And the democrat hysteria and the republican Panic continues....
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skipthesong
And the democrat hysteria and the republican Panic continues...." Yeah, but what happens when its congress' turn again? Will Americans vote in another Dem run congress of repub?
I hope Obama can work with either one. I am getting tired of nothing ever getting done because we have a dem prez and a repub dongress or vice versa.
I would like to enact a law that stipulates once elected to a seat, said person must strip himself of their party.
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Everton2
Chelsea Clinton has endorsed Obama. haaa haaaaa
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super delegate
"Chelsea Clinton has endorsed Obama. haaa haaaaa"
How did Rove get to her?
We can only wonder, then marvel, then cower in terror at his reach.
The RNC wants Obama. Looks like it is all going to plan.
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skipthesong
everton: I think you made a mistake. I believe you are referring to Rudy Giuliani's daughter
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Everton2
skipthesong- its a joke man, don't you get it.
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