Obama's ex-pastor slams 'devious,' 'unfair' attacks

Friday 25th April, 06:23 AM JST

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skipthesong at 07:50 PM JST - 28th April

Yo, I ain't saying that. What I am saying is looking at these issue he speaks of from a fence - litterally, I find it annoying when I hear these things when the real issues out there are not being tended to. Rev, Wright, as I have said is a down to earth man; I know because I have met him more than once. My point was once you start yelling what he was yelling, how can one be surprised to hear any criticism? He has entered politics by supporting a candidate. No, I am not letting off other preachers either - but they have been dogged out so why can't Rev Wright? Yes, I do believe the issue of slavery in America has been taught wrongly and he is one of the reasons it has been. He points out America's faults yet warms up to some of the people who are not only responsible to the HIGHEST degree, but has basically let them off the hook.

just blame black people for slavery" Here you go again. how about this, just blame white people for slavery around the world.. This is what I like , no love about myself - being able to look at things from more than one angle because I am more than one. Rev. Wright should take a history course in Miami, learn more about slavery. He would be shocked.
Badsey at 12:29 AM JST - 29th April

true: attacks by their very nature should be devious and unfair. =it would actually be somewhat of an insult if they were not. You should appreciate the challenge of a good attack.

Does this really have anything to do with Obama's character? -not much.

Clintonian democracy at it's finest. Government sold you out long ago, a good example is 40% inflation. -if that isn't slavery then what is?
WhiteHawk at 01:55 AM JST - 29th April

SezWho2:

Your response *might *cover the "racist" part of your statement. It does not cover the "a--hole" or "hate--monger" part.

It most certainly does cover the "racist" question, as such statements cannot be described as anything other than racist. I'll concede the "a--hole" point, as that would be a matter of opinion, but the "hate-monger" description does apply to Wright.

To prove statements are racist or anything else, you must first show that what you heard is what the speaker intended to convey. For example, the whole point of the chickens-coming-home-to-roost talk was that hatred gets you nothing. In other words, it means the exact opposite of what people are accusing Wright of.

I'm not talking about that speech. I'm referring to the 'U.S.-government-created-AIDS-to-kill-black-people' speech. If that isn't hate-mongering, especially based on race, what is it?
Everton2 at 04:53 AM JST - 29th April

WhiteHawk the US Government is capable of anything. You have obviously forgotten that the US government has confessed to experimenting on black men with the syphilis virus. If that is the case then why is the AIDS virus comment from the Reverent so bad or even racist? It is simply a fair comment given the history of the US Government and its relationship with black people .
WhiteHawk at 05:55 AM JST - 29th April

Everton2, when did the U.S. do that expermient? How does that have anything to do with AIDS? What is the connection? What about the fact that Wright has absolutely no evidence or facts to back up his accusation? (Neither does anyone else.)

I suppose you don't consider Wright's claim that America is controlled by "rich white people" to be racist or hate-mongering either.

And what did you think of his speech to the National Press Club today?
Everton2 at 06:35 AM JST - 29th April

WhiteHawk The syphilis experiment is common knowledge you look it up. America being controlled by rich white people is indeed a statement fact. It has nothing to do with hate but more a reality of the status quo in America. I do think the Reverent appearance at the press club did little for his image. I thought it was more comical than anything else. He came across as a deeply arrogant person with clear signs of having a "small man" syndrome. He is being given more attention than he deserve and is loving every minute. Again what whites in general need to understand is that this guy does not speak for the black community many of who considers Wright to be well past it.
adaydream at 06:43 AM JST - 29th April

Everton2, whitehawk's just jamming ya.

he's not stupid.

but play on.
SezWho2 at 02:56 PM JST - 29th April

No, WhiteHawk,

Your argument might cover the racist point. You realize, don't you, that it was not until your last response that you even bothered to mention what kind of "stuff" you thought was racist. Now you say that it was the "U.S.-government-created-AIDS-to-kill-black-people" speech.

If that was a separate speech from the one I have mentioned, would you be so kind as to provide a link to that speech in its entirety? You know, a version of that statement appears in the speech I was talking about and I wonder if you have listened to that in its entirety. As I listen to it, I don't find it either racist or hate-mongering.

Wright certainly does not pretend that America people are uni-color or that there are not serious causes for anger. But racism and hate-mongering? I think not.
redacted at 06:36 PM JST - 29th April

Let Reverend Wright defend himself.

He went before the Nat'l Press Club the other day.

Ya almost feel sorry for Obama. He was supposedly clever enough to know that Iraq had no WMDs, but he sat in Rev Wright's church for 20 years oblivious to how hate-filled and radical his preacher was? He brought his daughters to hear this guy shriek at the gov't and "white people" week in and week out?

"Speaking [ Apr 27 ] before an audience that included Marion Barry, Cornel West, Malik Zulu Shabazz of the New Black Panther Party and Nation of Islam official Jamil Muhammad, Wright praised Louis Farrakhan, defended the view that Zionism is racism, accused the United States of terrorism, repeated his view that the government created the AIDS virus to cause the genocide of racial minorities, stood by other past remarks ("God damn America") and held himself out as a spokesman for the black church in America.

In front of 30 television cameras, Wright's audience cheered him on as the minister mocked the media and, at one point, did a little victory dance on the podium. It seemed as if Wright, jokingly offering himself as Obama's vice president, was actually trying to doom Obama; a member of the head table, American Urban Radio's April Ryan, confirmed that Wright's security was provided by bodyguards from Farrakhan's Nation of Islam."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/roughsketch/2008/04/obamaspastorreignitesracec.html
WhiteHawk at 11:35 PM JST - 29th April

Everton2:

WhiteHawk The syphilis experiment is common knowledge you look it up.

So you don't remember it either. It's okay, I'm told that's one of the first things that happens when we get older. I don't remember what the other ones were...

America being controlled by rich white people is indeed a statement fact.

So you're saying that there are no councilmen, congressmen, senators, secretaries-of-state, ambassadors, city administrators, school board officials, mayors, police, judges, military officers, governors, lobbyists, corporate executives, attorneys, district attorneys, business owners, property owners, and voters who are not white? Fascinating.

SezWho2:

Your argument might cover the racist point. You realize, don't you, that it was not until your last response that you even bothered to mention what kind of "stuff" you thought was racist. Now you say that it was the "U.S.-government-created-AIDS-to-kill-black-people" speech.

I was thinking of his U.S./AIDS statement when I posted that, not whatever speech or part of a speech you were referring to. My apologies for not clarifying that up front. If Wright is not a racist, bigot, and hate-monger, what is he then? A unifier? A peacemaker? A diplomat?
Badsey at 04:11 AM JST - 30th April

politician or pastor: whatever puts money in plate I guess. Hopefully his actions speak louder than his hateful rants. Really just a sad story.

A Preacher should unify, not divide and conquer. I wonder how much the Clintons stuffed into his pockets for this crap?
DanManjt at 01:50 AM JST - 1st May
Sez Who

I have read through your posts. Two things:
1. Wright's comments are indefensible. Its a mistake to defend them.
2. Wright, as a man, need not be defended against the Republican slime machine's attacks. The Right is not interested in a good faith exchange. They will, no matter what, run against Wright because it is, they believe, their only hope in staving off tremendous defeat this Fall.
When you play defensively against the Right, you loose. America looses.

Now is not the time and the media/blogesphere is not the place to delve into the complexities of race and race politics in America.
DanManjt at 01:57 AM JST - 1st May

Betzee

Well done. Unlike the Chiken Hawks Rummy, Bush, and Cheyney, (and I;m sure a few here at JT) Wright fought to defend the Liberty they cynically abuse and foolishly squander. But the Right will never, can never, understand that.

Because they are partisans before patriots.

BTW

I responded a little late to your post from last month. Here is the link in asnwer to your question.

http://www.japantoday.com/category/world/view/sadr-orders-militia-to-reject-pms-call-to-surrender-arms#comment_5811
jwills79 at 04:15 PM JST - 1st May

It was called "The Tuskegee Experiment!!!"
sabiwabi at 08:05 PM JST - 1st May

I wonder why the American media has chosen to cover the Pastor Wright issue in such a manner. Its as if "they" have chosen to back Hillary, who happens to be doing quite well recently, ever since she spoke of obliterating Iran. Seems like "they" were very pleased to hear her words.