Obama's missile shield approach aimed at squeezing Iran, reassuring Israel

Saturday 19th September, 06:43 AM JST

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RomeoRamenII at 03:20 PM JST - 19th September

They were silly to follow George Bush's lies into Iraq. blah, blah, blah

ADD, you're too young to remember that they also were part of the Gulf War effort, too. But hey, keep looking at all those anti-establishment posters taped to the wall as you safely peck away on your mommy's computer in the cool comfort of your parent's basement .
lostrune2 at 03:30 PM JST - 19th September

The Polish and Czech peoples don't even want these stations on their backyards (N.I.M.B.Y.). Their governments only agreed to it in return for more NATO funding. So it's doubtful the Polish and Czech peoples even feel being stabbed in the back (that may be just wishful thinking on the Americans' part) - if anything, they'd just feel relieved. The US government can't force foreign populations, even if they're allies.
RomeoRamenII at 03:36 PM JST - 19th September

Putin met with Obama, realized America now has a reader and not leader in the White House and is taking full advantage of our weakened situation.

Obama will dethrone Jimmy Carter as being the worst U.S. President of the 20th and 21st centuries
lostrune2 at 04:05 PM JST - 19th September

Do Americans want Obama to force it on foreign ally populations who don't want it on their lands?
jhk at 04:56 PM JST - 19th September

So Obama is no different from Bush, and the West (Including Israel) is still interested in "squeezing" Iran, even though Iran has never been an aggressor country throughout its Islamic history.
jhk at 04:58 PM JST - 19th September

Shame on the West.
SuperLib at 06:09 PM JST - 19th September

proxy: What do you mean, nothing in return? Russia almost immediately announced they would cancel their plans to deploy short-range missiles in Kaliningrad.

I don't think the US was really worried about Russians firing missiles into Europe. The Russians were worried that the shield left them without the ability to threaten to use force, even tho I can't really imagine any scenario where Russia would use force on Europe. But they still wanted the option of making the threat, and the shield took that away from them. The location of short range missles is mostly meaningless.

kinniku: I know how much you enjoy criticizing Israel. However, try as I might, I can't seem to find 'republicans' jumping or otherwises anywhere in this article about President Obama's approach on the missle shield. Perhaps you need to read the article again and realize this is President Obama's approach. It is his plan. Now, do you dislike the plan or not?

Give daydream a break. He only has 3 points to make at any given time: 1) Iraq/wmds/lies, 2) hatred for Israel, and 3) hatred for Republicans. If you take that away from him he won't be able to participate in any duscussions anymore.

lostrune2: The Polish and Czech peoples don't even want these stations on their backyards (N.I.M.B.Y.).

I think that was the original opinion, but after watching Russia go into Georgia the opinion polls quickly changed to support the shield. I haven't seen any recent data, tho, maybe they changed their minds again.
Midnightpromise at 06:30 PM JST - 19th September

Obama is brilliant! Let's wait until a real long range nuclear missle threat exists before deploying a deterent against it.
Sarge at 06:35 PM JST - 19th September

The world is much better off with the Russians able to destroy European cities with nuclear weapons, lol.
sdf_crew_member at 07:11 PM JST - 19th September

even tho I can't really imagine any scenario where Russia would use force on Europe. But they still wanted the option of making the threat, and the shield took that away from them. The location of short range missles is mostly meaningless

Funny. There's national sports in Russia - making threats out of blue. Why? Don't ask "it's a well-known fact". The facts of the same level as ubiquitous drunk bears strumming on the balalaykas.

The world is much better off with the Russians able to destroy European cities with nuclear weapons, lol.

It's a U.S. trick - destroy cities with nukes.
lostrune2 at 07:26 PM JST - 19th September

The question still remains:

Do Americans want Obama to force it down the throats on foreign ally populations who don't want it on their lands?

Because that's what it's gonna have to be under the ex-plan (not to say that there won't be other plans). If so, just say it explicitly the end justifies the means.

But is it really more for the protection of Europe or the protection of the USA? (Who knew Americans cared so much about Europe. I thought it was just last week that European socialism was the new communism. And Freedom Fries.) Obviously it's for both protections, but which one is more really? Ask Americans and Europeans; you'd most likely get different answers.

And it's the Poles and Czechs being asked to host the burden, but they don't want it. Europe is willing to take the risks; why not let them be destroyed if it's their fault? The US obviously do not want to take the same risks, but what can they do? Can they force foreign allies for the protection of the USA?

Sarge, you mention Russian missiles. Isn't it supposed to be Iranian missiles? Are you suggesting the US is lying to the Polish and Czech people while at the same time asking them? That would not be very ally-like. (If you lie to your allies, how can they differentiate you from their enemies?)
RomeoRamenII at 09:42 PM JST - 19th September

Give daydream a break. He only has 3 points to make at any given time: 1) Iraq/wmds/lies, 2) hatred for Israel, and 3) hatred for Republicans. If you take that away from him he won't be able to participate in any duscussions anymore.

Come on, now, SuperLib. alan has assured us that it's all hype and that the peaceful people of Iran are totally misunderstood...

Right ADD, .... ADD?

Well anyway, ADD knows, just ask him.
RomeoRamenII at 09:59 PM JST - 19th September

More of Obama's foreign policy of chronic capitulation, appeasement and apology.
RomeoRamenII at 05:20 AM JST - 20th September

The plan has upset some loyal allies with its appeal to Russia

This should not be a surprise coming from someone who was mentored and bankrolled his entire life by communists and comminust sympathizers.
4thEstateDotCom at 10:32 AM JST - 25th September

Russia plays Obama like a cheap ukelele.