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Badsey
Nothing new here. People on welfare try to get more money from the system by having more kids. This is California so she believes she is "entitled" to it -part of the 2009 Pelosi State bailout program.
She will probably get over $1000-2000 a month now.
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yabits
She'll make a bundle selling her story to Hollywood. I can think of a few good titles....
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Tatanka
What story? She's a whack job with an Angelina Jolie complex.
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SushiSake3
I read justa few days ago she is receiving child welfare, but she claims she deserves it or something, despite having said the week before she is not using government money.
There's something odd going on here.
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SushiSake3
Tatanka, Angelina Jolie complex? I think not. Angelina Jolie adopts most of her kids, which in my view is far better for the planet and for parents who simply do not have the resources to raise said kids.
This American women is breeding like a rabbit, quite different from Jolie.
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Tatanka
SushiSake3 I saw it on Fox News that she trying to look like Angelina Jolie -- they even said she has a striking resemblance to her -- no other connection about child rearing...
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Betzee
Every time I go onto the LA Times www site there is another update about this woman! First it was her claims she was not receiving public assistance. When confronted with evidence her family receives food stamps, she then said it was not something she wanted to do and it was "temporary." That was when she had six children, now she has 14! But she is confident she can support them once she gets a graduate degree, an endeavor that has caused her to take out 50,000 in loans.
Moreover, three of her older children are disabled; enabling them to receive close to 1,000 each from Social Security since they are legally fatherless. It's likely the younger eight will also suffer disabilities as well. Kaiser, her HMO, has already applied for MediCal, California's state health care program for the indigent, to cover the costs of their care which has run up a tab so far of 160,0000. They will remain hospitalized for twelve weeks.
Now Ms. Shulman has created a www site asking for donations. Someone responded, "I wouldn't give her a dime but where can I send money to Protective Child Services to remove them from her care?" According to her own mother, who claims ignorance of her worker's comp disability award, Nadya never contributed to the essentials for the older six, occasionally buying a toy was apparently the extent of her financial contribution.
I doubt she will be able to keep the children since she obviously cannot care for them. However, I doubt she would consent to their adoption either, leaving them in foster care limbo, a cruel fate. To have her parental rights terminated would be a lengthy legal battle and one she would no doubt enjoy since it would prolong her 15 minutes of fame and all the comparisons to Angelina Jolie.
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Betzee
That's a monthly payment of course. The comparisons to Angelina Jolie are based not just on brood size but also looks. It appears Ms. Shulman invested her worker's disability payout in plastic surgery.
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Tatanka
According to Fox News, they did a background investigation on the women and could find no evidence that she had any plastic surgery.
What she needs now is a good psychiatist and a hysterectomy to permanently prevent her from conceiving any more children or being a surrogate mother...
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bebert
All likely to be paid for by the taxpayers. The only thing funny about this human tragedy is that those taxpayers will be Californians. The state should sue the fertility clinic for malpractice to cover the costs of these kids and their needs, especially if some of them turn out handicapped.
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Hotbox08
What a nutcase this woman is. She looks nothing like Angelina Jolie and has none of her wealth. I feel for the average California taxpayer, now that they will have to foot the bill for the welfare of her children. And to think that she still has thousands of dollars of student loans to pay off as well. Sheesh!
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Betzee
How did they conduct their investigation? A simple look at the photos that have been released of her as a young woman make it apparent she had a nose job and either lip implants or injections to pump up her plucker (no doubt for the cameras).
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Betzee
As someone wrote last week:
Ms. Suleman, who still hasn’t appeared publicly (although you can bet your bottom dollar she will, once the price is right) has a degree in child and adolescent counseling from California State University, Fullerton, and was even enrolled in a graduate program until last spring. (This proves, once and for all, the vapidity of the idea that “education is the key.”)
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Betzee
You may not find it too funny when you learn that you, too, are going to be payin.' MediCal is a state program, but food stamps and social security, both of which she's already drawn on for the first six, are federal programs.
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adaydream
How did she pay for 6 prior invitro fertilizations procedures? How did the clinic think they would get paid this time? I thought these treatments were quite expensive. < :-)
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Betzee
I think it costs about 10 grand per try. That's why some patients want to maximize the odds of one taking through multiple implantations at once. Since Ms. Suleman had already had twins, it increased the likelihood of that happening. Indeed, of the six implanted embryos, two split hence eight babies.
She got a 165,000 workers comp settlement back in 2001 for injury on the job, so that was enough to pay for in vitro treatments. If she concealed her savings when applying for public assistance they may be able to get her on that. But she may have used it for educational-related expenses.
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saborichan
"I saw it on FOX News" I stopped reading here
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Sarge
"I saw it on FOX News" I stopped reading here"
The truth hurts.
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nandakandamanda
Surely her kids will be able to contribute to something in the future.
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skipthesong
If this lady had all the money necessary for this amount of kids, I don't think there would be an issue. But, here she is asking for donations, and she is taking welfare, which I don't hve a problem with a young mother taking as long as it is necessary and only up until she is able to get out and get a job.
There is a family I heard that had their 22nd kid somewhere, but the family was very self sufficient.
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Tatanka
saboichan -- I bet you watch "The View" with Barbara WaWa. They praise single motherhood as long as the kids aren't theirs. I'm guessing 90% of the press about this whack-job women is negative. Fox News showed photos of the inside of the is women's house -- it was a pig sty and thats with just the six kids there. The truth hurts...
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wuzzademcrat
If she were Mexican and in California illegally you'd see "liberals" fighting with each other over who gets to "defend" this woman.
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Madverts
Heh, trying to deny her plastic surgery is a hoot.
She should have pulled this one off in Europe to properly screw us tax-payers.
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Taka313
Nothing to worry about here. She's one Oprah appearance away from a free house, car and lifetime supply of baby stuff.
Taka
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adaydream
wuzzadedemcrat
There's a vast difference between liberals and fanatics.
There are fanatics, republican and democrat who would protect this woman and her rigfht to have these children.
She could have destroyed the embryos, but the right to life would be up in arms. They'd be screaming that this is life and can't be destroyed.
I don't know a single democrat who supports this woman's actions.
So get real wuzzademcrat. It would be the republicans supporting this woman over some democrats. < :-)
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Hawkeye
She has just started a web site to accept donations to hekp her feed the 14 mouths she has spawned. Just watch, one day your going to read that she flipped out and drowned her kids in the tub.
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Betzee
Wuzzademocrat,
By lashing out at Democrats via an alternative hypothetical example you avoid acknowledging your earlier defense of this woman and her all too real situation. For most of us, however, this about sums it up:
The treatments Suleman underwent to bear her children aren't cheap; they typically run from $8,000 to $15,000. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that her doctor gave her the lower rate (as a volume discount), which would put her expenses, simply for conception, at $48,000. Suleman told a television interviewer that she covered those costs out of a $165,000 disability settlement she obtained after suffering a back injury working at a state mental hospital.
She also said she is not "on welfare," which is a bit of a semantic dodge, because it turns out she's receiving both food stamps and Social Security payments for two of her children who suffer from unspecified disabilities. She also told the interviewer she plans to "support" her family with federally guaranteed student loans while she pursues a master's in counseling. (One tries to imagine receiving therapy from this woman, but the mind refuses to form the requisite image.)
In the meantime, the Kaiser Permanente hospital where the eight newborns remain under care reportedly has applied to the state for assistance with its expenses under the Medi-Cal program. We don't know yet whether any of the octuplets will be disabled in ways requiring public assistance. It appears that, in the case of the Suleman family, raising 14 children takes not simply a village but the combined resources of the county, state and federal governments.
There was some concern that all the attention Ms. Suleman has been receiving might inspire copy-cat behavior. Yet few would have the financial resources she did to pursue fertility treatment while unemployed. It's clear, given the societal implications of this type of reproduction, the fertility industry cannot remain an unregulated cash-and-carry business.
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rurika
This just shows how unethical the fertility industry is. This woman needed psychiatric treatment, not fertility treatment. She has been treated for severe depression and suicidal tendencies in the past. She could not (and still can't) provide the emotional and financial stability needed to raise a family.
I wonder how many of the 14 kids will grow up to despise her. Her oldest child is only 7. ALL her children are at an age where they need a lot of supervision. She can't possibly give each of these 14 children the love and attention they need to become well-adjusted adults. She can't afford a home, food, clothes, medicine and toys for all all of them. She's either mentally ill or extremely selfish and irresponsible.
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usaexpat
A utter to the core and the doctor who did the IVF should be forced to pay for these 8 kids. This woman has no job, apparently only some disability payments, and also has 2 kids from the first set of 6 that are disabled and recieve SSI payments. Drawing a line between SSI (social security disability payments) foodstamps and wellfare is absolutely rediculous. She is at the end of the day on the dole and her kids are as well. Who in the hell paid for the IVF which runs anywhere from $10-30,000 dollars? Even her mother has come out saying the doctor should never have performed the procedure.
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usaexpat
above should read "a nutter to the core"
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Badsey
-with that many kids having utters would help.
This lady is very similiar to Bill "I did not have sex with that Woman" Clinton. =She has a different definition for "welfare" than what is standard. -Nice try Liberals.
But of course she expects everyone to give her a bailout or stimulus. Please do not stimulate this woman any more. Enough is enough.
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Betzee
This just shows how unethical the fertility industry is.
At least one doctor in it. According to the LA Times:
The Beverly Hills doctor who helped Nadya Suleman conceive octuplets also provided fertility treatment to a 49-year-old woman who is pregnant with quadruplets and is hospitalized at County-USC Medical Center.
SoCal, no all of California for that matter, is an expensive place to live. The prospect of raising four children would be challenging to most women young enough to conceive through natural means. This 49-year old, if she is married, has a partner who is likely older than she. In today's world, nobody should count on working beyond 60, unless you have a secure job. Yet she will be 67 will they reach age 18 and become legally adults. Moreover, no matter how much effort you put into diet and exercise, your energy level goes down with age. To be in your 50s with four toddlers....
These cases underscore the ethical issues reproductive technology has created over what restrictions on it should exist. Yet several posters are unable to focus on this case outside of the culture war prism:
Nice try Liberals
If she were Mexican and in California illegally you'd see "liberals" fighting with each other over who gets to "defend" this woman.
I bet you watch "The View" with Barbara WaWa. They praise single motherhood as long as the kids aren't theirs.
I can understand why you are forced to round up the usual suspects. After all, welfare deadbeats are the lowest of the low according to conservatives. Yet every mother collecting welfare, or Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), also chose life, a choice that is to be celebrated whatever her circumstances according to the same group. If someone could address this public-policy contradiction rather than resorting to liberal bashing it might result in an interesting debate.
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