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Palestinian rockets fly deep into Israel

World Nov. 15, 2008 - 06:35AM JST ( 28 )

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Helter_SkelterNov. 15, 2008 - 07:51AM JST

Now that the election news is settling down, it appears JT is back to its obsession with posting daily articles on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Maybe if we don't comment, they'll go away.
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SuperLibNov. 15, 2008 - 10:21AM JST

Sounds good. We'll let the terrorists supporters have this thread all to themselves.
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SargeNov. 15, 2008 - 10:38AM JST

"a five-month-old cease-fire"

Wow, that was a long one.
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adaydreamNov. 15, 2008 - 12:04PM JST

This is stupid of Hamas. This does nothing to defend their side.

Damn dumbasses. < :-)
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skipthesongNov. 15, 2008 - 12:36PM JST

4 posts and its already mid day. If it were the other around there would probably be about 40 posts.
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MikeBarrymoreNov. 15, 2008 - 12:52PM JST

They should fire rockets. The israelis are beastly and kill lots of women and children.

Jeremy Paxman said they ignore the UN and steal land from palestinians illegally.

I agree with him.
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ptolemyNov. 15, 2008 - 03:19PM JST

Historically anyone going against the status quo and the elite have been called terrorist, crazy, or traitor. Just as the Palestinians are in this struggle. Small minds use single words to describe what threatens their small ideas and thoughts. Being a true freedom fighter takes courage. Good sheep never question, theeeey just waaaalk the official liiiine. Remember my fellow Americans, George III labeled us "terrorists" as well during our revolution.
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BeelzebubNov. 15, 2008 - 03:42PM JST

I'm trying to figure out what Hamas hopes to accomplish by this. Military conquest of Israel? Good luck, fellas!
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Nippon5Nov. 15, 2008 - 04:21PM JST

PTOlemy

And considering our use of non traditional tactics in our fight for freedom, he might not be wrong.(but I think gorilla warfare is more acurate). If the States was under a differnet goverment rule and used civilian attacks to gain its position then terrorist would be a good term, but the Militia didnt target innocents just redcoats.. But as with any war its in the way you want to label the sides...

But I understand your point all too well.....
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Helter_SkelterNov. 15, 2008 - 04:37PM JST

George III labeled us "terrorists" as well during our revolution.

Wow. Drawing some sort of moral equivalency between the American Revolution in its quest for freedom and liberty, and Islamic Jihad in its quest for ethnic cleansing of Infidels and Sharia law. "Palestinian" groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, PFLP, Al Aqsa, etc. are the definition of terrorism.
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powderfingerNov. 15, 2008 - 06:19PM JST

"There is just so much abuse the Palestinians can endure. "

I'm impressed by what they endure. But I'm amazed at how much they seem to enjoy it.
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USNinJapan2Nov. 15, 2008 - 06:54PM JST

JackBerstein

The Palestinians can't walk themselves down the road to peace even with that jackass Arafat off their backs. They deserve little to no sympathy.
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presto345Nov. 15, 2008 - 07:07PM JST

The Palestinians, or a segment of their society, do not want peace. They want to be martyrs for ever.
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kinnikuNov. 15, 2008 - 09:31PM JST

Eventually, they can do nothing else but fire rockets, even if they so rarely hit anyone with them.

Really? How many rockets have been fired from the West Bank recently. What Hamas could do is agree to negotiate for a true peace with Israel and get to the real business of running their own country. Israel's recent moves are not very productive either.
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SargeNov. 15, 2008 - 11:38PM JST

"Gaza's Hamas rulers"

Mis-rulers.
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bebertNov. 15, 2008 - 11:47PM JST

The irony is that the President-elect of the United States has chosen as his chief of staff, a man who's father was a member of the murderous, terrorist Irgun. I can't imagine a U.S. President selecting a man for the same position who's father had been a Nazi. How this ties to Palestine is clear. The Palestinians can expect no help from Obama, World messiah, so they have no choice but to continue struggling -like Jews trapped in the Warsaw ghetto- until real help arrives. That help will certainly never come from the United States - not without a military coup anyway. So the rockets will continue to fire out of Gaza for the foreseeable future.
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kinnikuNov. 16, 2008 - 12:03AM JST

bebert,

Your views (bias) about Israel, and about Jews in fact, have been clear for about as long as you have been posting. Rahm Emanuel was not a member of the Irgun and as such has nothing to do with the Irgun. There are many organizations and even individuals that were once thought of as being "terrorists" but once their country's were create were not longer thought of that way. Take a trip to Ueno Park to see an example in the form of Saigo Takamori if you do not believe me. Perhaps one day, Hamas will be seen by the world in the same light once the Palestinians actually smarten up and work for and get their own nation.

As far as the rockets continuing to fly out of Gaza is concerned. That will only put more distance between Gazans and their dreams for statehood. If Hamas wants open borders, maybe it is time for them to act in a manner that would allow them.
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MeanRingoNov. 16, 2008 - 04:06AM JST

This is an incurable mess!
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Helter_SkelterNov. 16, 2008 - 04:36AM JST

That will only put more distance between Gazans and their dreams for statehood.

Gazans don't dream of statehood. They dream of the destruction of the Jewish "Infidel" state, just like all Muslim Arabs.

There is just so much abuse the Palestinians can endure. Other countries refuse to help them.

Especially the Muslim Arab countries. Ever asked yourself why, with all the land and oil wealth the Arab countries possess, none are coming to the aid of their "Palestinian" brothers? They've had over half a century now to help out. Apparently keeping the "Palestinians" in misery simply too good a propaganda tool against Israel to give up.
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goodDonkeyNov. 16, 2008 - 06:33AM JST

I want the Middle East violence to end. I am very pleased that the overwhelming majority of people now recognize that linking Muslims to terrorism is bigotry, racism or religious intolerance. This goes for Arabs and Palestinians (if you don't recognize them as Arabs). I love it when they quote idiots that claim the Qur'an advocates violence. I have read the entire bible and several parts many times. The Christians and the Jews use a bible that advocates the Jewish destruction of their neighbors. Prominent Jewish secular leaders and religious leaders in the bible beg god to kill their neighbors. According to the Hebrew text god commands them to kill their neighbors, blesses their actions and answers their prayers to kill their neighbors. Do I hold any of this against the Jews for these texts of hatred. No I understand the significance of historical context. The Right Wingers on here obviously can't do the same with the Muslim religion. But make no mistake it is bigotry that drives their refusal to accept the fact that all Muslims do not believe in violence. Anyone who knows a handful of Muslims knows that the Islamic religion is not one that advocates violence today just like the modern Jewish religion does not advocate violence. The vast majority of Jews are great people with a great heritage. The vast majority of Muslims are great people with a great heritage. I should also say that both are good people. The fringe is a different story. Try as they might these bigots will never make my Muslim friends into people who are violent in any way. They do not want America overthrown or any other nonsense like that.

I believe in peace in the Middle East. Those who are saying every Muslim is in favor of violence are standing in the way. We can end rockets flying into Israel and Israeli troops marching into Palestine. The concessions needed for an agreement are hardly the problem. Both sides already know what the agreement will look like. Getting to a complete cessation in violence is ridiculously hard to accomplish. One important thing to note is that after the reach an agreement no violence must occur. Israeli right wingers will go nuts and stir up the entire nation if violence occurs after a formal agreement is signed. That is the reason negotiators and mediators usually want to stretch out an agreement. Radical forces on one side and reactionary forces on the other side do not want peace; they want war in the name of their religion. How to contain these elements is well beyond my reasoning. But that is the key to peace.
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Nippon5Nov. 16, 2008 - 10:20AM JST

It only takes a hand full of extremist to start or continue a conflict...

The Middle east has buckets full of them, they will not allow the peasce as it would end their belief that they have to cleanse the area..

Sorry its a never ending battle..
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kinnikuNov. 16, 2008 - 12:28PM JST

goodDonkey,

Your post was excellent. If only the elegance of what you wrote was to fall on the appropriate ears.
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powderfingerNov. 16, 2008 - 08:23PM JST

I just the two sides by how they treat their own.

Let Palestinians first create some semblance of a civil society.

Then they can talk peace.