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yabits
STATEMENT FROM THE ORGANIZERS OF THE RALLY TO STOP IRAN NOW
From The National Coalition to Stop Iran Now
(New York, Sept. 18, 2008) --- The purpose of “THE RALLY TO STOP IRAN NOW” on Monday, Sept. 22, 2008, is to protest the presence of Iran’s President Ahmadinejad at the United Nations, and to oppose his nuclear weapons program. We take most seriously his threat to wipe the United States and Israel “off the map” and believe the world leaders gathered at the United Nations must act with resolve to prevent a nuclear armed Iran that would be a threat to this country, Israel and the world.
For this reason, tens of thousands of people of every faith and ethnicity are expected to hear messages from prominent religious and civic leaders, including Nobel Laureate Elie Wiesel and Israeli Knesset Speaker Dalia Itzik. In order to keep the focus on Iranian threats and to ensure that this critical message not be obscured, the organizers of the rally have decided not to have any American political personalities appear.
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yabits
If Palin wants to show up to join the crowd in protest, she has every right to do that.
But the event should not become a platform in the US political campaign if that's what the organizers want to avoid.
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moderateguy2008
How dare they try to stifle freespeech with their wicked agenda. These Dems make me sick with their bias. We should suspend or maybe ban the Democratic party from politics until they know how to behave decently.
Government would run properly with a moderate congress in place.
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SezWho2
moderateguy2008,
I think we could equally ask how Palin dare make an accusation without evidence. Shouldn't Republicans be barred from politics until they know how to behave decently?
Or perhaps we should ask how dare voters believe accusations that are offered without evidence. Maybe such folks should be barred from voting until they know how to process information critically.
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BarryHObarmy
Yeah Palin is a liar, and Democrats have proved it over the last few weeks. I agree with SezWho2 and his unbiased views, we should ban the Republicans now!
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goodDonkey
moderateguy2008 said:
They did not stifle Palin's free speech. She can say whatever she wants; just not there on that day at that time. It is just like the people they kicked out of the Republican convention. You see I am not deceitful like you. I will tell you that those people should have been removed from the Republican convention. It was up to the discretion of the organizers of the Republican convention who could attend and who had a right to speak at what time. You have no credibility; even with the Republicans on this thread. You wear many masks and try to play us on the threads. You are played out.
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smithinjapan
Anyway, Palin is free to go if she chooses... as an American citizen attending a protest. She is clearly not free to go and play politics in a protest that has nothing to do with the current campaign to become Pres/VP. She's already proven that she would turn it into a political agenda of her own via her groundless accusations. Once more, a bunch of lies from the right.
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Sarge
"Clinton had also been scheduled to appear at the rally, but canceled after learning that Palin would be there too."
Now here was a good chance for Hillary to show that the Democrats are united with all Americans on this issue, but she's too scared of her!
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goodDonkey
sarge
Once again you attribute a motive to someone like Hillary. The truth is in fact that you have no idea what her motivation was and you never will.
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DXXJP
What no Palin But But But she can see Iran from her home. Yeah she needs to be there speaking about as much as I do.
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goodDonkey
Palin the panderer
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Sarge
DXXJP: "she can see Iran from her home"
No she can't, and she didn't say that.
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Sarge
goodDonkey - It's true, I'm not 100% sure Hillary canceled after learning that Palin was going to be there because she's scared of her. There could be another reason. A very good reason. Lessee, what the heck could it be...
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Alinsky4prez
She knows nothing about foreign policy, but we need to keep her away from events like this at any cost.
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Sarge
goodDonkey - Good catch! I should have just said, "She didn't say that."
Alinsky - Good one.
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SwiftBoatVet
Alinsky; She knows more than you ever will buddy. The Dems hate free speech, hate moderate media, and hate being losers, but they are gonna lose again. Hee Hee!
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Alphaape
Before others on this forum accuse me of being nothing more than just a "talking head for Fox News" I must say that I am ashamed of Hillary and the Dems on this one.
I can understand if the organizers of this rally asked them to focus their comments on the present situation with Iran, and to cut down on the politicing I think that would be fair. But for Hillary and the Dems to pull out if Palin would be there is just bad taste.
How can the Dems say that they will be willing to work with the Rep. on bipartisan issues, if they can't even attend a rally together against a percieved threat from Iran, how the heck should I believe them when they say they will work with each party in Congress to get legislation done to solve the many issues that face the American electorate.
Just shows you that the Dems are a bunch of spoiled losers. If Hillary can't be the star, then I am not going to go. If Obama thinks that a appearance by both Hillary and Palin would make his decision to pick Biden makes him look bad, then Hillary can't go.
No matter what the polls may show, I think that the Dems are going to throw this election away on their petty bickering.
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Sarge
SwiftBoatVet - You don't know Alinsky very well yet, do you? Hee hee!
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Alphaape
What I think is the problem is that Dems use fear and smear tactics to shout out any opposition. Is Palin a liar, probably so just like every other politician. Tell me one thing that Obama said that he would do in the primaries and now has changed that how would carry out that policy. Would that be considered being a liar?
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Alphaape
Bary, if this is the case, then wouldn't the Dems want Hillary to attend. The reason being they know all of the press would be there, and when Palin was to speak, they would be able to catch her in her own words as being a "liar" and not knowing what was going on, and could have made it to the home stretch with a series of ads showing this.
Barry, didn't mean to quote your comments in my reply. So I am not a liar.
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Alinsky4prez
Look, palin can't come because she is not welcome. Its that simple. The heiress to the Grand Hyatt in New York (where our revolutionary ally Mahmoud Ahmadinejhad will stay) is Penny Pritzker. She is one of Barack's top campaign financiers. She gets to decide who comes.
She's tough. I think palin is no match.
Barack's hometown paper wrote this about her:
Top 10
"The Pritzker holdings constitute one of the top 10 private wealth buckets in the U.S.,'' says Byron Trott, vice chairman of Goldman, Sachs and Co. and lead investment banker for the Pritzkers and Buffett. "They've compounded wonderfully in value over the last 15 years, and Penny is one of two key operating executives.''
"The other is her cousin Thomas, 58, chief executive officer of Global Hyatt. The company operates 136,000 rooms worldwide. Marriott International Inc., the world's largest hotel chain, operates 545,000.
Pritzker has spent a good bit of her career fending off criticism about her family and her role in its businesses. U.S. government officials sued the Pritzkers to collect taxes from her grandfather Abram's estate after he died in 1986.
Hard Fighters
"The case centered on hundreds of trust funds Abram had set up in the Caribbean to avoid taxes. In 2001, an Illinois savings and loan that was once headed by Penny collapsed. Some 1,400 depositors are still out about $10 million, says Clinton Krislov, an attorney suing Penny and bank officers on their behalf. That same year, part of her family turned on her when seven brothers and cousins alleged in court documents that she'd enriched herself at their expense."
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/08/thepowerofpennypritzker_bl.html
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goodDonkey
Alphaape
non sequitur
What you are claiming is there is some kind of relationship between how they handle this event and how they conduct matters on the hill and how the hill has relationships with the White House. There is absolutely no connection. When someone screams like you and others all I can say is organize a rally and invite who you want; it's a free country.
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smithinjapan
sarge: If Hilary is 'scared' of Palin because she won't show up and speak, then by that logic Palin is just plain scared of everything and everyone; after all, the chicken herself has to have controlled interviews with pre-screened questions, can't show up anywhere for fear of being asked something she might have to actually come up with an original and logical viewpoint to answer (and can only smile and run-away if someone accidentally gets a question in there), ad nauseum. In fact, I'm willing to bet she's thanking her lucky stars she was snubbed... she might actually have to SPEAK TO THE PUBLIC in an environment outside a convention (the horror!).
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Alphaape
smith/barry; I am not speaking from the radical right. Just answer my question please. If it is a free country and I agree that it is, you can invite whomever you want to your rally. That is fair. So if it is a free country, does that not give a person the right to make their own decision as to why another person, in this case the group that had initially invited her to decline the invitation.
I find it hard to believe, that the person who organized this as was profiled (Penny Pritzker) is not smart and well connected enough to know that if a person that is the VP nominee (no matter what party, because that person would bring more media to the rally just to see what they would say and get exposture to your cause) would not know the ramification of her actions.
goodDonkey, yes this is not an officaly sanctioned event by any government agency. But my point is, the next time, either Rep or Dem gets on the TV and calls for bipartisan ship, I will just blow it off. They can't even share the stage at an event withoug petty bickering. If this is something that they can't do for the betterment of peace in a region, then I doubt very seriously that they could do it in their offical "work." I am not saying that they need to make brunch dates with each other, but if they are so adamant on the theme of "change" and no more politics as usual, they are pretty much doing the same old thing.
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smithinjapan
Alphaape: "So if it is a free country, does that not give a person the right to make their own decision as to why another person, in this case the group that had initially invited her to decline the invitation."
Sure, she has every right to draw her own conclusion as to why she was un-invited, to answer your question, same as I have a right to conclude, if I so desire, that it gets dark at night because someone throws a blanket over half of the world. Such a claim, if I'm indeed claiming it to be fact like Palin is saying it's 'the Dems' faul!', would clearly only point out how uninformed I am of the world and how it works, not to mention nature, the stars, and just about everything else. What's more, to use such ignorance for political means would only prove how inept I would be as a leader.
Thanks for proving my point, Alphaape. Your question has been more than answered. Now here's one for you: why is it you guys by into her lies? I mean, clearly McCain and Palin have been lying about numerous things in regard to Obama and his camp, so why do you guys actually believe them?
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SuperLib
Why shouldn't she blame the Democrats? Most people who will blast her for it are most likely hypocrites given their own involvement in partisan politics.
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SezWho2
Palin's views on Iran are well-known, even if not very profound. The only thing that she could have offered to the affair was the partisan perspective of the McCain campaign and a hatchet job on the Obama campaign. After Hillary withdrew, the organizers did a right thing in rescinding Palin's nomination. Another right thing would have been to invite Biden to speak.
If you ask me, the invitation to Palin to speak was ill-considered in the first place. It was probably motivated more by her ability to draw a crowd than it was to say anything meaningful. I cannot believe that Palin's understanding of the situation in the Middle East is much beyond the understanding that is demonstrated by the general public on most days.
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SezWho2
SuperLib,
She shouldn't blame the Democrats because she offers no proof of her claim.
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Alinsky4prez
Well said, comrade.
The last thing our beloved New York needs an influx of repub stepford wives.
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smithinjapan
SuperLib: She shouldn't blame the Dems because it has nothing to do with them; it would be like me just randomly blaming the death of my Japaense neighbour on Palin herself (it was actually just old age, but she COULD have had a part in it, you know!); in other words, there are about as many facts to back it up as Palin has that the Democrats have somehow sabotaged her speaking privelages. The people who would blast her for it would most likely be Dems indeed, but that's neither here nor there, since it's after the fact.
Oh! An ambulance just went by my work site! Damn that Palin! (to use your and Alpha's logic in assigning blame).
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NetteMarie
You know how sometimes when you were younger, your Mom would tell you to invite the loud bully from down the street to your birthday party. Well, I think that was similar to Palin's invitation to this event. Hillary however, was the cool kid you wanted to be friends with who decided not to join the party because the bully would be there. There's no politics in this just a birthday party social issue.
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skipthesong
you all can laugh, but this is a circus. I though all these candidates were saying there needs to be bipartisianship??????? Once the election is over, she'll still a Governor and McCain will still be a senator.
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skipthesong
If Obama's camp, and Hillary are saying Iran shouldn't have the bomb and the McCain's are saying they shouldn't have the bomb, what is the major problem?
Again,you all can laugh, but in the end, we are paying for this "silly" campaign as quoted by Obama.
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SezWho2
skipthesong,
I don't think many people are saying that Iran should have the bomb. Not even the Iranians are saying that. So, the major problem seems to be how they are saying that Iran should not have the bomb.
The Republicans, and Palin among them, seem to be making a living on suggesting that Obama is an appeaser, that he is too weak-willed to prevent Iran from getting something that it says it doesn't want and that he will--gasp!--stoop so low as to actually talk to the Iranians. The Democrats simply have no effective ammunition against such nonsense except to point out that 7 years of recent stridency has not decreased Iran's nuclear technology and that, while Iran should be prevented from developing a nuclear weapon, starting another war is something that we don't seem to be able to afford at the moment. The airing of these highly political and competing views would undermine the focus on the prevention of a nuclear-armed Iran and divert it to a circus instead of a protest.
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Sarge
skipthesong - "Once the election is over, she'll still be a governor and McCain will still be a senator"
Only until Jan 20, 2009.
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goodDonkey
sarge
Remember 2006? Get ready for Thumping Part II coming to America November 4, 2008. May be inappropriate for Republican viewing due to undeniable results of Democratic Party success. Resulting trauma may result in Neocons on JT disappearing for weeks on end. Trauma generally does not last more than 30 days and most Republicans return to lying as usual on JT in less than 30 days. The effects of denial could not be measured in 2006 because existing levels were already the highest levels ever seen in human beings.
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CavemanLawyer
I think that Mrs. Clinton is avoiding Palin because if those two women appear together then people will form a mental link. Many people wanted Clinton to be the first female president and would have voted for her just for that. Clinton does not want to transfer that feeling onto Palin to be the first female VP any more than people already have it in their minds. Just being in the same place a the same time might do that.
As for the decision on the rally, I can understand not wanting it trampled by the political circus elephants (pigs in lipstick?). The stance of the rally is shakey enough as it is. There is no evidence that Iran is seeking nuclear weapons. The rally is a great big strawman shoot of hate, fear and getting people opposed to eachother so as to exploit them.
--Cirroc
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sailwind
And they got three sets of sanctions passed from the U.N to prove it.
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SezWho2
The sanctions prove suspicion on the part of the sanctioners. They do not prove that Iran is seeking nuclear weapons.
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sailwind
Iran hasn't removed any suspicion by the sactioners by word or deed.
Nuff said on this.
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Helter_Skelter
Palin is absolutely correct on this. And from what I've read, it's the Obama camp (Clinton, Pritzker, etc.) that has turned it into a partisan issue.
Caveman: Saddam didn't have a dozen nuclear facilities, 3000 plus centrifuges, and enough uranium hexafluoride gas to make 100 nuclear bombs. So enough with the stupid comparison.
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Taka313
It's "stupid," 'cuz it's true. GOP 101.
Taka
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buddha4brains
The world economy is on the brink (lead by America) and all the Palin can do is whine about a withdrawn invitation to some event that is already a political sideshow. Who cares about her invitation?
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Alinsky4prez
Again, very well argued, comrade.
Its great how in this instance Europe, to whom us american progressives instinctively bow, is once again quietly ignored.
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Helter_Skelter
When you've got no counter argument, just make a silly remark. Lib 101
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goodDonkey
Helter_Skelter said:
Cough up the proof! If you have indeed read it let's hear it. Whip out that Sean Hannity. Spell it out in the name of Rush Limbaugh, Bill O Reilly, Ann Coulter or maybe CBN News - Christian News 24/7; yeah Pat Robertson is going to scoop the liberal medea on The 700 club.
Please enlighten us on what you've read.
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Alinsky4prez
Barack is already using his growing clout.
Organizers of the Iran rally were threatened with loss of tax-exempt status if they invited Palin.
Brilliant move!
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Helter_Skelter
goodDonkey,
I read it in the above article. Perhaps you should consider reading the articles before posting.
Sarah Palin told supporters Friday that “Democrat partisans” had pressured organizers of an anti-Iran rally in New York next week to withdraw an invitation for her to appear.
The former first lady, a Democrat who suspended her own presidential bid in June, has sought to avoid any appearance with Palin
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Taka313
helter,
When you've got no counter argument, just make a silly remark. Lib 101
And why should I have a counter argument when I can just use the NIE's? You know the ones: > We judge with high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program > We assess with moderate confidence Tehran had not restarted its nuclear weapons program as of mid-2007, but we do not know whether it currently intends to develop nuclear weapons.
http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache:BB6zyIhLEWIJ:www.dni.gov/pressreleases/20071203release.pdf+NIE+iran+nuclear+weapon&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a
Taka
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Taka313
O.K. I am using a windows machine as my mac just got mailed back to the states, so, let's try that URL refuting helter's nonsense again:
http://www.dni.gov/pressreleases/20071203release.pdf
Ah. Much better.
Taka
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goodDonkey
Helter_Skelter
I can't believe you are using her statement as any level of proof at all. If she had proof of her claim she would have presented it. It was purely conjecture on her part as evidenced by McCain's statement that follows:
Palin said the Democrat partisans had pressured organizers not her. No Democrats pressured her first of all. Second of all she obviously was not there to witness the organizers being pressured. Third of all the organizers are saying no such thing. And your comment about the former first lady might have some validity if she were attending the rally. She is not therefore her interest in avoiding Palin is a moot point. McCain would not be suggesting if he had proof; he does not; it is pure conjecture on the Republican side.
I thought you meant you read about evidence that it was partisan; you were just quoting Palin. I said cough up the proof. At least tell me who she heard it from and when. You offer no proof. Instead your attempt to make it seem like I didn't read the article appears that you have more interest in smearing me that in offering anything more than mere conjecture that you have repeated.
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Sarge
Taka313 - Your link doesn't work.
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Alinsky4prez
Barack has mastered what they taught him in Chicago. He wasn't kidding old man mccain when he said he (mccain) has no idea what he is going up against.
Why do I post such stuff? Because I can. Barack has won over the national mainstream media and tactics like this just stay local. If it does go viral its only on repub sites. Hahahahahahaha. Too funny!
http://wcbstv.com/local/clinton.palin.event.2.821565.html
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Sarge
Alinsky - Your link works. I like this quote from a disgruntled Democrat:
"I'm absolutely appalled at the behavior of the Democrats. I'm a Democrat and for the first time in my life I'm going to vote Republican. I can't take it anymore."
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goodDonkey
The Republicans are the only ones who could call it partisan to depoliticize a rally against Iran.
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Taka313
sarge,
The second one does. If not, Google: NIE Iran nuclear weapons
Taka
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goodDonkey
Well her claim does not seem to be resonating with nationwide voters. Obama is up by 6% which would be another point gain from the day before. Please Palin keep on talking.
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SezWho2
sailwind,
If you think that is "nuff said" about the sanctions, then you probably shouldn't have brought them up in the first place. No, Iran hasn't removed the suspicions by word or deed. And those who harbor suspicions still haven't agreed that the NPT gives Iran a right to nuclear technology development and use if it were to try to remove suspicions.
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SezWho2
Alinsky4prez,
You, as a progressive, can ignore Europe all you want. I've been including them in my criticisms.
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Sarge
taka313 - Here's a couple of Key Judgements quotes from your NIE link:
"We assess with high confidence that until fall 2003, Iranian military entities were working under government direction to develop nuclear weapons."
I'll bet if there weren't 140,000 U.S. troops next door in Iraq, Iranian military entities would have continued to work under government direction to develop nuclear weapons.
"We also assess with moderate to high confidence that Tehran at a minimum is keeping open the option of developing nuclear weapons."
I'll bet that as soon as U.S. troops start leaving Iraq enmasse, Tehran is going to exercise that option.
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Taka313
sarge,
You make a good argument there. Aside from omitting the part about the NIE assessment that the program probably was halted primarily in response to international pressure, suggesting that Iran may be more vulnerable to influence on the issue than we judged previously, I would probably concede the point. I would say it is still a pretty big grey area.
However, you skipped that point all together.
That said, I still believe that was one of the most lucid posts you have ever made. Well done.
Taka
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Taka313
sarge,
I pressed the submit button a bit early.
As for your second point, you may very well be right, however, if we keep our troops in Iraq, what are we going to do if Iran does start work on a nuclear bomb?
Invade a third country? With what, an already overstretched military? Sooner or later, something is going to give.
Taka
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Alinsky4prez
We will Bork* this woman the same way we do every repub candidate for the SCOTUS and like we did Hillary Clinton.
*** name capitalized only because it helps make clear the reference.
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Alinsky4prez
Seems the anti-Iran rally turned into an anti-Obama rally. And all the crazies were calling for "sarah."
http://wcbstv.com/campaign08/united.nations.general.2.823131.html
haters! they make me sick!
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zurcronium
Palin who?
She is so August and now we are in September and the bush economy is falling apart.
McCain must be very sorry now he didnt pick Lieberman. But he cant see Russia from his home in CN so that is not a plus.
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rondh69
My God, the GOP has Palin! The Democrats are finished now even if they could somehow persuade Cleese or even Gervais to run...
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xrc
Equality...We can have Nuclear power but you can't! Same ole American arrogance. Palin Whaling Jailing all the same!
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