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adaydream
Hey quitter, you said what? < :-)
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smithinjapan
Why not just go asking people on the street what they think, since that's basically what this dolt is -- a person on the street. She's certainly no politician beyond a failed one who walked out on the job.
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whynothow
Sarah.....First, take a basic geography class, then world history...Nothing too heavy... lets say 8th grade level...that should keep you busy for a few years. Until then....
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WhiteHawk
As usual, the Leftists are attacking their ex-girlfriend personally, since they can't prove her wrong on the issue.
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The758
That's exactly what she is. Goodbye already!!
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Klein2
"The climate bill passed by the House last month requires power plants, factories, refineries and electricity and natural gas distributors to reduce the emissions linked to global warming. It also calls for more power production from renewable sources such as wind and solar energy, and raises energy-efficiency standards."
This is a threat to the economy? I keep waiting for the Republican party to change its tune and denounce the policies that subsidized SUVs and GM and fossil fuels... guess not. If not, I will continue to hang all of that on Republicans. America is a joke on environmental issues and the Republicans would have continued that if Obama had not been elected. Check! Glad Mrs. Palin clarified that for us.
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Altria
How about Palins idea of totally ruining the environment by drilling all over it, creating American jobs, then enacting Obama's plan to save the environment, creating even more American jobs.
It turned out OK for Japan.
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WhiteHawk
"subsidized SUVs"? Where's mine?
And yes, raising the prices of existing sources of energy soley to justify expensive and inefficient "green" sources of energy will be damaging to the economy. How does raising the cost of doing business or having a home help the economy?
Of course, we can always buy oil from the Russians, who won't use as clean or efficient technologies or equipment to extract the oil as we would have.
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whynothow
It took the Reps two terms to mess it all up. Might take at least one to fix it, don't you think? yes it will damage the "Holy Economy". But in the long run it'll pay off. And if planning for more than 4 years ahead is a crime, narrow-minded folks can always blame the Leftists...
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smithinjapan
WhiteHawk: "As usual, the Leftists are attacking their ex-girlfriend personally, since they can't prove her wrong on the issue."
If you're going to say 'as usual', my friend, you'd best use it wisely; as it is the only USUAL thing here is that you are trying to defend the indefensible, and bringing up foolish 'justifications' as to why. How do you prove an OPINION wrong, for clearly this is her opinion? What's more, she said 'god' put the resources under the US for drilling, and Obama is therefore wrong to pursue more environmentally friendly means. God. How on earth do you prove someone who would make such nonsensical statements wrong? It's based 100% on beliefs, and is pitting the very real and effective president against the belief in an all-powerful being who has bestowed his creatures with a means to destroy the planet.
Once again, palin proves herself an utter reject, and only a few days away from walking out the door on her first big gig. Of course, a lot of Republicans being the tools they are, will probably be willing in some cases to give her another shot.
But hey... let's hear more about how this dolt's comments are all the Left's fault ;)
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whynothow
yes and that God business is kinda creepy.
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sailwind
She sure did peg most J.T posters on that one also.
Cap and Trade is nothing more than tax increase on all of us, no matter how you dress it up. Liberals sure are good with OPM. Other peoples money when it comes to taxing and spending wads of it.
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smithinjapan
'"Unfortunately,” Palin wrote, “many in the national media would rather focus on the personality-driven political gossip of the day than on the gravity of these challenges.”'
Hahaha... that's rich! Given that the only reason this article is making headlines, and the only reason a very few remaining Americans will even bother giving this woman the time of day, is because of her 'personality-driven politics'. sailwind fell into that one hook, line, and sinker.
If palin really believes, and once again we're seeing the victim card, that no one should listen to personality driven politics, she should have prefaced it with 'please don't listen to me'. As usual, with palin, credibility goes out the window when she opens her yap.
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timorborder
Seems we now know why Palin quit in Alaska, she has delusions of grandeur (and an intention to run for the big chair in 2012). These comments are just the opening salvo in her run for the White House. She will probably get top-billing on the preferred GOP ticket, Palin/Limbaugh. What a combination they would make, the pit-bull soccer mom and the chicken hawk blowhard. President Obama must be quaking in his shoes. But then again maybe not.....
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Sarge
Obama's cap and trade may well be the biggest threat to the recovery of the U.S. economy.
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Sarge
"she has delusions of grandeur"
She does not. She has a vision for America that I and millions of Americans agree with.
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SushiSake3
Republicans and their conservative followers would rather sell off their kids and grandkids' futures all to save a few bucks and a job.
The naive short-term perspective of GOP politicians is shocking, to say the least.
What they don't seem to realise is that we as a species simply can't go on polluting our environment like there is no tomorrow, otherwise there won't be one.
For the GOP, it's clearly all about money and the economy.
Who gives a rat's a*se about the quality of the air that future generations breathe and the availability of clean water and healthy food?
We were granted a livable atmosphere and the least we can do is leave a livable atmosphere for future generations, but if the GOP and Sarah Palin have their way, we'll be pumping up the oil addiction even further.
Nuclear energy is also not ideal, since despite nuclear power stations having very low CO2 emissions, they require vast amounts of cooling water, and in many areas now, this water is drawn from rivers - ie: away from irrigation and farming, which reduces crop yields.
Another problem with the GOP is their pretty clear intention that they do not want America to lead in the inevitable green energy revolution.
Germany is already the world's biggest producer of solar panels, and China is fast catching up.
Where is America? Get in there! If you lead the world in this green technology, you'll have governments lining up at your doorstep to purchase the technology - much like has been the case with U.S. weaponry over the last 40-50 years.
America has made billions from selling weaponry - and it can do the same with green tech.
But Palin, it appears, would be against this.
Sarah Palin is selling out key U.S. manufacturing sectors that could potentially reap profits for decades by producing world-class green tech - wind turbines, solar panels and voltaic cells, wave power generators, water desalinization plants, high-speed and light rail...you name it.
If Obama gets his energy bill through the Senate, America could be looking at making a very profitable entry into what will be ongoing growth in the green industry sector.
On the contrary, with Sarah Palin and the GOP, it will be more economic stagnation, more following the leader and playing catchup, more enriching of petro-dictators in Iran, Russia and Saudi, and fewers jobs for Americans as foreign manufacturing bases move into the fast lane of green manufacturing.
Sarah Palin is a go-nowhere quitter, and the world knows it.
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smithinjapan
sarge: "She does not."
Ah, sarge's trademark commenting; who can argue with it?
"She has a vision for America that I and millions of Americans agree with."
Well, you and two other people, anyway. Her son doesn't even support her or her politics -- but who could blame him really, after the party palin claims to represent at the same time as she quits sent the young lad there based on lies and for nothing. I'd be wary about them as well, particularly with all the scandals coming out.
Anyway, sarge, palin is a dolt (yes, yes... I know, "She is not" is coming, but hey). I also have a news flash for you; unlike you and two or three others on here (the rest are gone), most Americans I know don't take kindly to being urinated on by the people they support and then asked for support again at a later date. palin went and spit on every single one of her constituents, and on the US as a whole, by leaving her position. Clearly people like you aren't going to remember it come election time -- hell, you've forgotten already -- but millions and millions of Americans won't forget it, and so long as palin has any aspirations of running on the GOP ticket, and those are delusions of grandeur for her, your party has zero chance of winning.
Thank you, palin; if there's one thing we can depend on you for besides the comedic interviews and general hilarity that spews out of your mouth, it's the guarantee that the Dems will win if you try to fight against them. Hang in there, palin... we all know you're a dolt, but you can keep playing the victim card and some on here will believe in you.
"Obama's cap and trade may well be the biggest threat to the recovery of the U.S. economy."
The economy sent spiralling out of control by your last president, sarge, is being rescued by Obama, and the President (a real one for a change) and his latest policies will continue that, despite these comments by that tart palin.
Palin the quitter and Limbaugh the moron for 2012! a guaranteed landslide victory for the Dems, with heaps of fodder and entertainment for the world (thanks to the aforementioned Republicans).
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smithinjapan
Excellent post, Sushi!
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Sarge
"Palin the quitter"
Or, Palin the shake-things-up-er!
"Ah, sarge's trademark commenting; who can argue with it?"
I must admit, once I've commented on something, there isn't much else to say. Tee hee!
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SushiSake3
Sarge - "She does not. She has a vision for America that I and millions of Americans agree with."
Sarah Palin has the wisdom of an 8-year-old, the verbal dexterity of a drug-hazed alcoholic and the logic capabilities of toothpaste.
Yes, GOPpers, I admit that is a little rough, but let's face facts -
1/ **Sarah Palin's addition to the GOP ticket buried John McCain's chances. **2/ She is a certified quitter and proved that last month by quitting her role as Govenor after not even showing up to class for one term. 3/ She is an international laughing stock, and if she is as good as some in hte GOP like to believe, why couldn't she save the ticket of the highly experienced John McCain against the rookie senator from Illinois?
One thing is rock certain about Sarah Palin -
You can take Sarah Palin out of back country Wasilla, but you can't take back country Wasilla out of Sarah Palin.
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Sarge
"Sarah Palin is selling out key U.S. manufacturing sectors"
Such as...?
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Helter_Skelter
She's simply stating the obvious. That's the whole purpose of the global warming hysteria - to destroy the U.S. economy. Leftists hate capitalism and what better way to destroy the "evil corporations" than to limit their energy use. The issue has less to do with the environment and more to do with the socialist agenda. I wish some of the leftists here would have the cajones to just admit it. But, of course, they won't. They'll just bring up the polar bears again.
Are you being serious? China, Russia, Eastern Europe are far worse offenders when it come to environmental issues. But naturally this is irrelevant to the leftitsts since it's America's economy they want to destroy. And Obama's going to do everything possible to make it happen.
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sailwind
McCain ran? I could have swore it was Bush.
By the way, there is your answer as to why the rookie Senator won. The Democrats ran agaisn't Bush not McCain and it was a good tactic. The Bush label stuck and McCain never had a chance once it did.
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SushiSake3
The great thing is that while misguided, backward-thinking GOP 'politicians' like Sarah Palin are yapping, the green energy sector in the U.S. isn't listening.
In fact, they tuned out years ago.
The bush administration at first completely denied the existance of climate change for 7 long years, and then when they finally did acknowledge it only a year ago (un-freaking-believable!), they did everything they possibly could to block states like California from introducing emissions caps and green policies - partly out of fear that States' patchwork of policies would overwhelm the federal government's official (reality-denying) position on the issue.
During that time, States like California had to waste ridiculous amounts of time and money battling the EPA to be granted the right to - get this - clean up California's air and reduce pollution.
The bush administration clearly thought that cleaning up California's air and reducing pollution in the state was a problem that they had to block at all costs.
The bush administration fought tooth and nail to deny Californians' right to clean air.........
That is mind-boggling in its own right, and I won't go into more about this as it's not strictly related to the topic of this thread.
Now, while airheads like Palin are wasting time calling Obama's energy plan a "threat to economy," the U.S. renewable energy sector tuned out to the GOP's anti-environment rhetoric years ago.
There are now wind farms springing up all over the states, water desalinaization plants being built, solar panel factories opening up, the state of California is recycling sewage water into drinking water.
And probably the greatest thing of all, is now America has a president who acknowledges, understands and wants to combat climate change for the benefit of not only Americans, but the world.
Bring. It. On.
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skipthesong
If America ever started drilling their own oil, and bypassed all alternative energy measures, I'd have to find a new job. And that's wrong. Down with Palin!
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SushiSake3
Sarge - "Such as...?"
Renewable energy sector.
Transportation sector.
Research sector.
IT sector.
Bio & nanotech.
All the above sectors and more could benefit from a push to develop renewable energy.
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Madverts
Heh, is it me or are the only reports about this woman on Japan Today?
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SushiSake3
Helter skelter - "She's simply stating the obvious. That's the whole purpose of the global warming hysteria - to destroy the U.S. economy. Leftists hate capitalism and what better way to destroy the "evil corporations" than to limit their energy use."
I don't even know where to start to point out how ridiculous that statement is.
Hate, destroy, limit, hate - it's textbook GOP rhetoric.
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SushiSake3
Sailwind - "By the way, there is your answer as to why the rookie Senator won. The Democrats ran agaisn't Bush not McCain and it was a good tactic. The Bush label stuck and McCain never had a chance once it did."
Actually, you are partly right.
Every person who voted for bush - including you - was a nail in the GOP coffin,
I'd like to thank you for voting for bush and the GOP.
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SushiSake3
The really sad thing is GOP members like Sarah Palin can't see beyond the short-term future of their nation through the money or "the economy," let alone the medium- and long-term future that other generations will have to embrace or endure depending on policies and laws that are passed by our generation.
For them, those two factors are effectively what it's all about.
For them, economic growth is all important, and to hell with the increasing levels of pollution that goes hand in hand with growth, pollution that can be mitigated and minimized with sensible, environmentally-friendly policies.
The GOP, through misguided mouthpieces such as Sarah Palin, has proved once again why they do not deserve to be let anywhere near the reins of power for the foreseeable future.
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Madverts
"By the way, there is your answer as to why the rookie Senator won. The Democrats ran agaisn't Bush not McCain and it was a good tactic"
Buddy, I know for you personally getting over Nov 4th has been nigh on impossible, but the reason "the rookie" won IMO, was the disasterous choice of running mate, and the topic of this thread - Sarah Palin.
As long as this woman remains at the fore-front of the GOP, the further the party sinks intoit's Bush induced obscurity.
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skipthesong
As long as this woman remains at the fore-front of the GOP" what happens if she decided to change parties? With the way politics has garnered cheerleaders, I bet she's be accepted and supported. That's my advice for her.
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Madverts
Skip,
Whilst I find agreement with your fundemental point that politicians are self-serving swine, I doubt any other political party would actually have palin.
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smithinjapan
skipthesong: There is no way the Dems would accept palin on their ticket. No way. A smaller party clamouring for a little more name and recognition in politics might. Sadly, it would be their LAST recognition as they'd be done for and palin the quitter would quit on them as well. The only party that MIGHT accept them is the Christian party (whatever they are called), but then they'd have a conflict of interests because women are 'supposed to stay home'. This woman is pure poison and turns everything she touches to dirt.
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skipthesong
skipthesong: There is no way the Dems would accept palin on their ticket." Oh, I am sure they would, but Palin probably wouldn't hire me anyway, so the point is moot!
I notice you've mention the "Christian right" a lot lately. Why is that? There is a growing Muslim population, especially in Virginia. Would they be the Muslim right or Muslim left?
Is Palin a Christian?
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SushiSake3
"Palin calls Obama energy plan a threat to economy"
No, no, no, the biggest threat to the economy is Sarah Palin and the GOP.
Look at the legacy they left us - a GLOBAL ECONOMIC RECESSION, which, despite the GOP wanting to continue burying their heads in the sand and pretending it isn't true, began under the watch of GOP president George W. Bush in December of 2007.
There's no point blaming Clinton, Al Gore of Jimmy Carter for this one - the bush and the GOP are largely responsible for the biggest economic meltdown and threat to the economy in 80 years.
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SushiSake3
Let's face it, despite what old energy politicians like Sarah Palin says, the way forward is renewable energy.
With a solid renewable energy infrastructure, America can stop funding its petro-dictator enemies - which it does through purchasing their gas - and take advantage of sounrces of energy - sunshine, wind and waves - that are in themselves environmentally friendly, free, and in endless supply.
Why does Sarah Palin want to keep shooting the dead horse of the oil industry?
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smithinjapan
skip: "I notice you've mention the "Christian right" a lot lately. Why is that? There is a growing Muslim population, especially in Virginia. Would they be the Muslim right or Muslim left?"
When I have mentioned it besides on this thread? I have in the past, to be sure, but not for quite some time (I think in the abortion doctor killing I touched on it, but also said in Christianity's defense, at first, it wasn't so much religion as a lone nut job). Anyway, OF COURSE palin is a Christian. Look at her comments about god on this issue alone. Christianity is fine and dandy, but using it as a means as to why Obama is 'bad' or what not is ludicrous.
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smithinjapan
Skip: "There is a growing Muslim population, especially in Virginia. Would they be the Muslim right or Muslim left?"
Sorry... just took another look at your comment and realised how not only off-topic it is, but just plain silly. You can go ask the Muslim population there and then tell us. Not sure why you brought it up, really, except that it was some odd reaction to my saying that no party besides the Christian Right (I can't remember the party name, skip, "Christian Values Party" or what?), but they are on the 'Right' side of politics and are extremely conservative. But again, for them to accept palin would mean putting their values aside in doing so (some of them, anyway).
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SushiSake3
smithinjapan - "Anyway, OF COURSE palin is a Christian"
Sorry, not so. There are many, many types of Christians, all of whom follow their faith in varying degrees.
Sunday Christians, who go to church on Sundays and then do whatever they like the rest of the time, are probably the majority in most countries.
bush attends church, prays, professes to follow the faith and then invades countries.
I think any realistic Christian will have a big problem with that, which I think is why the Christian Right in America have become so disillusioned.
Ditto for Sarah Palin. I'm not sure where ignorant, under-educated, gun-toting 'Christians' like her fit in U.S. society, probably pretty well with rednecks in the south.
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Sarge
"ignorant, under-educated, gun-toting 'Christians' like her"
Ignorant comment.
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SushiSake3
No Sarge, it's an accurate comment.
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Sarge
No, Sushi, it's an ignorant comment. Palin ignorant? Of what? You calling her ignorant? Palin under-educated? Compared to who? Gun-toting... OK, she shoots guns from time to time. So? "'Christians'" implies she's not really a Christian. You have some proof that she's not a Christian? Not that the office of president requires one to be a Christian.
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smithinjapan
Sushi: "Sorry, not so. There are many, many types of Christians"
Does that make them non-Christians? I'm well aware of different sects of Christianity, having been baptized a Christian. I didn't feel like narrowing it down to any particular meta-group or denomination or what have you, and hence the blanket term for someone who follows/believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ. Anyway, split hairs as you deem fit, she's still a Christian.
I agree with the rest of your statements, though. People like bush and palin believe in their religion to their own convenience; saying moronic things like, "God put these resources under us for us to use!", and of course saying "God told me to invade Iraq", etc. This isn't limited to them or Christianity, of course, but these two in particular serve as poignant reminders that individuals can warp religion to fit anything they choose, when they choose it. The beauty about Christianity, of course, is that regardless of what horrible evils you commit you can just go confess and repent and you've no longer done any wrong (or at least yours sins have been washed away).
sarge: "Ignorant comment"
Nope, Sushi is bang on. palin is an unintelligent nut bag who does more harm than good, in pretty much any facet of life, it seems.
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smithinjapan
sarge: "Palin ignorant"
Bang on. She's ignorant of everything, as in, lacking in intelligence. Watch a few of the interviews sarge, especially the Couric one. You'll get an idea of how 'smart' she is.
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Sarge
"Nope, Sushi is bang on."
He is not.
"palin ( Palin ) is an unintelligent nutbag"
All it seems some people can do is insult the woman, because they can't prove she's wrong on the issues.
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smithinjapan
sarge: didn't mean to post the comment so soon. Sushi was saying that people like palin and bush, who profess the follow the Christian faith, are hypocrites for then going to disobeying such sacred commandments as; thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not kill, among some of the bigger ones. palin is one of the most ignorant individuals to enter politics in the world, and it's sad that she has fans, let alone followers.
I DO look forward to her book -- it'll be a major source of comedy, as I've said.
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Sarge
"Watch a few of the interviews sarge, especially the Couric one."
Heh, it seems that Palin's star is rising, while Couric's ratings are sinking.
And you must have missed her interview with Sean Hannity.
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presto345
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smithinjapan
sarge: "He is not."
Bud... you need a new argument.
"All it seems some people can do is insult the woman, because they can't prove she's wrong on the issues."
You stealing lines from WhiteHawk now? Scroll up and you'll see how badly he got beaten down after he said that himself. Several people on this post proved her moronic theories about energy to be the REAL threat.
And don't play the victim card on her behalf -- she's doing a good enough, albeit see-through, job of hamming up the "I'm a victim of the media" diva bit.
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proxy
Well even a broken clock is right twice a day. She is the wrong person to deliver the message as she has no credit. I would have liked to have seen somebody more credible to have written the Washington Post piece and by bringing up "god" she automatically loses a lot of people.
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smithinjapan
sarge: "Heh, it seems that Palin's star is rising, while Couric's ratings are sinking."
Really? You checked out the number of people world-wide who have watched that interview vs. the Hannity one? Dude, she's a dolt, and a hypocrite, and the fact that you defend a woman who walked out of office is pretty sad.
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ca1ic0cat
Maybe Palin hit the nail on the head when she said that personality driven politics have taken over from factual debate? The reason I ask is that, reading the last bunch of posts, I have to ask what does any of the above have to do with Obama's energy plan or Palin's criticism of that plan? I would say Palin is right about the Obama plan. I don't expect Palin to ever get into a position to do anything about it, but I would agree with her on this one.
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BeaverCleaver
ca1ic0cat-"Maybe Palin hit the nail on the head when she said that personality driven politics have taken over from factual debate? "
Its true. But it looses its impact when it is uttered by the 2001 winner of the Miss Wrapped in the Flag pageant, Queen of personality politics herself.
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smithinjapan
ca1ic0cat: "The reason I ask is that, reading the last bunch of posts, I have to ask what does any of the above have to do with Obama's energy plan or Palin's criticism of that plan? I would say Palin is right about the Obama plan."
You need to read a few more than the last few posts, which were mostly answers to other posts. palin has no business talking about Obama's energy plan as she does because she is a relic of the past when it comes to ideas about energy and resources. She wants to head, as another poster stated, BACKWARDS instead of moving forward. All she cares about is money and the immediate present, she doesn't believe in clean air even for her own children.
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sailwind
Missed have missed the coronation. You have a video tape you can share?
Smith
Nice post Smith, you should be proud.
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smithinjapan
sailwind: "Nice post Smith, you should be proud."
No, she should be ashamed. 100% of what I said is true, and I didn't even go into the allegations that she left her first term as governor for money as well -- oops! But go ahead and prove me wrong, and I'll be happy to show you how she insists on digging up fossil fuels (heck, you can even use Helter's post as 'defense' about the Global Warming/fossil fuels 'conspiracy'!) for immediate consumption -- and in case you don't know what that means, it means right now, since the same problems will come up later when those have been used up, too. Meanwhile, her children will be amongst the people suffering for the sins of the mother. Why would I be proud of that? I'm just saddened that people like yourself, who couldn't answer a direct request to answer questions posted to you yesterday (or was it the day before?), and people like sarge, so blindly support someone who is so wrong.
Obama is correct in a lot of what he says and aims to do here, and I think it's not only time to wean your country off of foreign oil dependence, but to do so with ALTERNATIVES to fossil fuels.
Again, to those who feel the need to play the victim card on her behalf, stop.
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sailwind
Your computer is solar powered I take it?
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smithinjapan
sailwind: "Your computer is solar powered I take it?"
How did you know? :)
Seriously, though, if you want to get down to the nitty-gritty on what I do vs. what you and even palin does in terms of taking care of the environment, get ready, my friend.
Where do you want to start? with palin saying god left resources at our feet to develop for fuel vs. my not driving because I feel it won't help with fossil fuels?
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smithinjapan
sailwind: "Your computer is solar powered I take it?"
And yes my place runs on solar power, or at least what it can get and what I don't sell back to the power company. No direct solar power on my computer as there are no computers with that yet, to my knowledge.
How about your house?
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sailwind
LPG and TEPCO a little bit from their nuke plants I suppose, living in Japan and all. As far as LPG I understand Palin just approved a massive natural gas pipeline and doesn't have to liquidfied to be built with Canadian investors to provide cheap clean energy to the lower 48 states, your thoughts?
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smithinjapan
sailwind: Dude, I was being sarcastic... I'm not going to go on some meaningless tit-for-tat, and it wouldn't be of any benefit to the site, and would be off-topic, to do so. Save it for another thread. I will say that I am doing more on a personal scale, and the idea that she wants to implement damaging legislature on a NATIONAL SCALE... give it a rest, dude.
"As far as LPG I understand Palin just approved a massive natural gas pipeline and doesn't have to liquidfied to be built with Canadian investors to provide cheap clean energy to the lower 48 states, your thoughts?"
If it results in harm to the environment, I'm against it, regardless of who the investors are. They are, like palin, hurting their own children for the sake of the bottom line. Get off fossil fuels, once and for all.
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Sarge
Palin in 2012!
smithinjapan: "Dude, I was being sarcastic"
So what else is new?
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WhiteHawk
SushiSake3:
Have you seen the deficit projections for the Obama/Pelosi spending?!? Their future has already been sold off!
Who is polluting? Other countries, which get exemptions from global environmental initiatives because they are "developing" nations, are polluting (and it's real pollution, not carbon dioxide), but instead of holding them accountable, Western civilization is expected to make up for them. How short-sighted and naive is that? VERY!
Everybody. That's why we have such things in abundance, and provide them to other countries. You make it sound like the world is crashing down on us, when it's actually getting better all the time. But that's not good enough for some people, so now that real pollution problems like dirty rivers and acid rain have been tackled, now they're making up new "threats", like carbon dioxide (which plants need to breathe).
The delicious irony is that the building of solar panel farms in the American southwest has been halted by... environmentalists. It seems they want an "impact study". So yes, they claim to want alternative energy, but only if it can be done without affecting anything, anywhere. Which is not possible, of course. And do I need to remind you about Sen. Kennedy blocking the construction of a wind farm in his favorite boating area? Everybody wants to save the planet, they just don't want to do what even they say needs to be done.
It would be have to be more than profitable to make up for the cost-of-living increases all Americans (and those who buy our products) will see because of Obama's "energy" bills.
Palin wants more drilling in Iran, Russia and Saudi Arabia? I'd like to see you prove that one! No, she wants more drilling here, which would produce more jobs here (oil doesn't just magically jump out of the ground and into your car, y'know), and provide a more economical and efficient source of energy than "green" solutions.
Take that darling of the environmental crowd, the Toyota Prius. Do you know what's involved in securing and producing the nickel for the batteries in a Prius? The worldwide environmental footprint would astound you. It is such that even if it used no gas (petrol) at all, it would still have a greater enivonmental impact than the production and lifetime of use of a standard SUV.
Then how come the only boost McCain got in the polls was when he picked her?
Who said she was good enough to counter all the glowing press (even SNL did a skit about it) Obama received in spite of the fact that he had nothing of substance to offer, and having her two interviews with Obama supporters edited out of context? That rookie senator, an even more empty suit than John Edwards, was held up in an unprecedented display of media bias so blatant, so shameless, that even MSNBC anchors had to comment and laugh about themselves on the air. Who said she was good enough to overcome that? Who?
Helter Skelter:
Some Leftists do, just not the ones posting here:
The environmental group Friends of the Earth advocated the transfer of money from rich to poor nations during the 2007 UN climate conference.
"A climate change response must have at its heart a redistribution of wealth and resources,” said Emma Brindal, a climate justice campaigner coordinator for Friends of the Earth.
Link: http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1893/Gore-US-Climate-Bill-Will-Help-Bring-About-Global-Governance
SushiSake3:
Yet, those same sectors are seeing jobs outsourced or farmed out to H1B's. Oops.
That's all the GOP's fault? Funny, it's been documented that the housing market bubble started with the Community Reinvestment Act, was destabilized by Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, and congress was held by the Democrats in 2007. But it's all the GOP's fault, eh? Wow, they wield more power than I thought...
Why do you keep posting (unprovoked, I might add) about Sarah Palin? Is Ann Coulter right, that she's like the ex-girlfriend you can't stop obsessing over?
You say that like they're something wrong with it.
smithinjapan:
Like most Americans, I don't watch Couric. And since Palin has done dozens - if not hundreds - of other interviews by people who are more capable and professional than Couric, I'd rather watch them.
I'm flattered. But really, he's just stating the obvious.
Where can one find the stats?
Wood stove in the winter, with the wood coming from my family's 40-acre farm. I cut it and split it myself.
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SushiSake3
smithinJapan - "If it results in harm to the environment, I'm against it, regardless of who the investors are. They are, like palin, hurting their own children for the sake of the bottom line. Get off fossil fuels, once and for all."
Well said.
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SushiSake3
**WhiteHawk nails why the GOP is out of power - **
Whitehawk - "Have you seen the deficit projections for the Obama/Pelosi spending?!? Their future has already been sold off."
Thanks to the spending the Obama administration had next to no choice to make in response to the worst recession in 80 years, which unfolded under the idiot you voted for - GWB.
Whitehawk - "Who is polluting? Other countries, which get exemptions from global environmental initiatives because they are "developing" nations, are polluting (and it's real pollution, not carbon dioxide), but instead of holding them accountable, Western civilization is expected to make up for them. How short-sighted and naive is that?"
No, how INCREDIBLY naive is your post. The USA is the biggest polluter in the worls and has been for decades, and you try - and fail miserably - to deny it and lay the blame on developing countries.
Whitehawk - "It would be have to be more than profitable to make up for the cost-of-living increases all Americans (and those who buy our products) will see because of Obama's "energy" bills."
As I said - the GOP and their supporters have a very narrow perspective - money and jobs. Nothing else really enters their worldview.
Whitehawk - "No, she [Palin] wants more drilling here, which would produce more jobs.
See above comment. [Let's just forget the environmental damage drilling causes, not to mention the pollution that results when the oil is changes to gas and burned.]
SushiSake3 - "1/ **Sarah Palin's addition to the GOP ticket buried John McCain's chances.
Whitehawk - Then how come the only boost McCain got in the polls was when he picked her?
Let's just quietly neglect to mention McCain and Palin went down by the biggest losing margin in 50 years.
Honestly, debating with conservatives is easier than stealing candy from a baby.
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smithinjapan
WhiteHawk: "Then how come the only boost McCain got in the polls was when he picked her?"
Ever been on a roller coaster? palin got on the McCain coaster and it went clickety-clack, clickety-clack up to this peak, then rocketed down at a speed far, far greater. It had a couple of minor ups and downs and loops and then came to a dead stop before palin was booted off.
In case you missed it, that's a slight metaphor for how McCain's ticket grew at first when palin was put on there, and then boom... as you seem unable to acknowledge but as Sushi points out, the biggest losing margin in FIFTY YEARS!
Good one, WhiteHawk.
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pawatan
WhiteHawk, why do you keep talking about drilling "here"? Palin wants to drill in Japan? Have you not noticed this is a Japanese news site, not an Alaskan one?
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Badsey
Only encourage/reinforce the positive:
I would start the cap and trade on politicians first -if all this hot air was harnessed we could easily make the Kyoto protocol.
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Helter_Skelter
Whitehawk:
Exactly. Thanks for the great example.
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WhiteHawk
SushiSake3:
No choice?!? That's ridiculous, unless you're a tax-this, tax-that, tax-everything-that-moves, tax-everything-that-sits-still Leftist. Have you never heard an economist advise cutting taxes to end a recession? No? You don't remember Al Gore being reminded of that when he ran for president? Obama had more than one choice, he just isn't any more open-minded than you.
Maybe we were decades ago, before China became a manufacturing powerhouse. If the USA is the world's biggest polluter, then how come our rivers are cleaner than Japan's? How come Tehran's smog is worse than L.A.'s?
If that's true, then you must recognize that your perspective is very narrow too: More taxes, more regulation, more bureaucracy, more government spending... and where does the funding for your perspective come from? Jobs. The market. Goods and services being exchanged. It's like the solar panels and the windmills: You want the result, but you don't want the necessary process.
Okay, so drive your Prius and naively assume the nickel just magically appeared in the car. Say, do you know what is needed to mine, transport, and process nickel for your Prius? Oil.
How, by quietly ignoring my previous comments about the free promotion Obama got from an adoring press? While that same press edited Palin's interviews and investigated her family's private lives (and ignoring Biden's family's private lives)? Not that you're being overly selective or anything...
pawatan:
You're right, this is a Japanese site. But I am currently in the U.S. My apologies for not clarifying.
Say, that reminds me. SushiSake3, I would still like to see your proof that Palin wants more drilling in Iran, Russia and Saudi Arabia.
Helter Skelter:
You're welcome. Notice how that example was completely ignored by those who were just denying the connection between the anti-capitalists and the environmental movement? It would be nice to see them have the integrity to question their own beliefs and welcome information that is contrary to their prejudices. I guess that's asking a bit much of the educated, enlightened, open-minded, devoted Left.
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SuperLib
I honestly don't see why the foreigners really even care what this woman says. Most Americans don't.
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zurcronium
Palin is getting her script directly from exxon now that she quit her day job.
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whynothow
****>@Whitehawk Who is polluting? Other countries****
poor guy...
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whynothow
lets pass the hat and get that guy an education. He 'll be attending geography101 and world history 8th grade along with Palin.
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Madverts
"I honestly don't see why the foreigners really even care what this woman says. Most Americans don't."
It's like I said before - she only seems to get airtime on Japan Today and associated left/right wing shrieky blogs.
Any Republican with a brain knows she was the final nail in McCain's presidential coffin.
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smithinjapan
SuperLib: "I honestly don't see why the foreigners really even care what this woman says. Most Americans don't."
Despite your efforts to try and qualify it at the end, why would you sink to the 'foreign opinion' comments? Come on, man. Everyone is entitled to an opinion on this matter. This woman ran for the office of VP, and the US, for better or for worse, makes decisions that affect the world. This woman saying 'God gave us the resources' to dig up is pushing for laws that will take the US BACKWARDS in terms of going green, and sadly other countries tend to use that as an excuse to not bother improving their own standards.
I don't care one iota for palin, but I DO care that others care enough to try and put her in a position where no one has a choice BUT to care for what she says and does. This woman, as I have said, is a detriment to your nation and to politics as a whole. I'm glad you admit most Americans don't care what she says, but it's a shame on your country that ANY do.
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goodDonkey
I can't believe how stupid people are willing to make themselves out to be. Pretending that Palin is somehow more knowledgeable then Geitner. Ignorant people who are clueless about economics claiming that cutting taxes is the only answer needed. The sole reason they believe this is because a politician or an economist working for a politician said so. They want to believe there are simple answers and that they know those simple answers. I have studied a myriad of economists who had absolutely no affiliation with any politician. It is not as simple as cutting taxes, cutting spending and less regulation. Any Economist worth his weight in salt today will tell you there are no simple answers. Milton Friedman was correct in many ways. You can name Kemp or any other supply side politician and the original ideas will lead back to Milton Friedman or his circle of economists. Indeed he was correct that regulations in emerging economies must be lowed. Especially entrance and exit costs of entering the market sector. He was correct that taxes must be kept low and government spending cannot continue to be excessive year after year. Cutting taxes like anything else reaches a point of diminishing returns.
Saying that what Obama offers is socialism is also stupid. If you will recall when Palin and Co. railed against Obama's "socialism" the McCain/Palin numbers fell sharply. One reason for this is that most Americans have a high school diploma. Almost 100% of those who graduated high school learned what socialism is. It is obvious the conservatives who are making the claims are either liars or just plain stupid.
If you go to a university whether it is undergrad work or grad work you will run across some people who refuse to believe in evolution and most of those same people refuse to believe in global warming or that man could possibly effect the environment on a global scale. There certainly are those who are willing to accept some aspects of evolution and still doubt some part of man affecting global warming. The anti-evolutionists and established science doubters are never the top students. If you get top grades you will soon notice who the other students are that get the top grades. You will also tend to discover who the ignorant ones are. Those who choose to cling to simple ideas for complex situations are ignorant students. They are unwilling to recognize the complex nature of knowledge; particularly the sciences. I am not saying no beautifully simple aspects of science exist. I am just saying those that want to simplify answers concerning the United States putting 2,795 x 10^6 Tons of CO2 per year into the atmosphere you are not very intelligent. Let me expand that number: 2,795,000,000 TONS of CO2 per year.
Palin knows so little about the energy needs of our country and she knows far less about economics.
Palin as mayor of Wasilla did not get the land ahead of time for a sports complex that she pushed though as an "accomplishment" as mayor. It resulted in $1,300,000.00 in additional costs.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122065537792905483.html
Palin spent $50,000.00 to remodel her office. She did not get city council approval. Palin insisted on regional dispatch center where there had already been one for 83,000 people. Anchorage has one for 279,243 people.
Palin and the Brige to Nowhere:
"We need to come to the defense of Southeast Alaska when proposals are on the table like the bridge, and not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that's so negative," Palin said in August 2006, according to the Ketchikan Daily News.
The Anchorage Daily News quoted Palin in October 2006 as saying she would continue state funding for the bridge. "The window is now, while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist," she said.
"Yes, the pork barrel project, a $233 million bridge in Alaska to an island with 50 people on it," McCain said (Apparently McCain was unaware of her prior support that wasted millions or did not realize she had been caught by reporters)
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-08-31-palin-bridge_N.htm
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SuperLib
Because most of the comments written here are by foreigners. And that's something I really don't understand. Palin has been sidelined. Even if she runs for anything it won't matter. She won't win. She'll have some support from some people but it won't amount to anything. As madverts said, this woman keeps getting into JT threads for the simple fact that any information about her gets posts. I'm going even further to say that this irrelevant lady gets attention mostly from people who really should care even less than Americans do. JT is simply pandering to foreigners who are obsessed with American conservatives. That's the long and the short of it.
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goodDonkey
SuperLib said:
I am amazed at how many times Superlib comments on foreigners; amazed at how many times SuperLib has commented on others commenting on Bush. I am amazed at how often SuperLib comments on the reasons others comment and how little time he spends presenting facts. I see so many JT posters presenting facts; facts that actually took a bit of research. It is enlightening to get further exposure to facts and references to the sources. It bores me to hell to hear a steady stream of comments on others opinions and presentation of facts and so little willingness to actually give opinions about the news article itself that one might have to defend. Oh but SuperLib defends; don't get me wrong. It may be some insignificant detail but he defends. I have seen him defend an insignificant detail post after post and then when he is proven wrong he states that you are challenging an insignificant detail. But he was the one who brought it up. He was the one unable to let it go - until he was exposed by the facts.
Another thing that must be obvious to every regular poster here is SuperLib's constant claims of being a moderate, constant criticism of liberal attacks on conservatives and a near total lack of criticism of the conservative attacks on liberals EXCEPT WHEN HE IS DEFENDING HIS VOTE FOR OBAMA.
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JoeBigs
If your business can not change with the times then it will not last.
With the invention of the car there went the horse and buggy. But if Palin and her types were around back then they would be be arguing against the use of cars.
Hell, the far right would be up in arms. They would be yelling that we have a god given right to use the horse rather than those new evil godless things known as automobiles.
If your business can not adapt it will die out. How many jobs were lost in the horse and buggy trade? But, where are we now without our cars?
Now the time has come to move away from fossil fuels and step towards a clean form of energy. Will there be job losses in the present energy field? Well yes there will be.
But how many new jobs will be created? Should we stick our heads back in the sand and stay with oil?
I for one believe it is time to kick the oil adiction and become green.
I love the term "god created", nope god did not create oil. Her god does not have a magical mystical bag pipe of oil creation. No god created the oil, she needs to learn how oil is created before making comments like that.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Howwascrudeoilformed
Now back to this childish notion that the United States has this magic pill called,"an endless supply of oil" in the Arctic National Refuge. It does not have that magic pill. What it possibly has is between 5.6 to 16 Billion barrels in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. But to be honest everyone is just guessing.
Now first of all at this time the U.S. uses about 21,000,000 barrels of oil per day. If we do the math, estimating that we have 10.6 billion barrels of oil we will run out of that oil in we come up with 505 days worth of so called energy independence.
ALRIGHT 505 days worth of oil, waaaaaait a minute. Did you say 505 D.A.Y.S Not Y.E.A.R.S?????? WTF???? Only 505 days worth of oil???? WHY THE F"ENING GEEE WILIKERS would Palin ever say the “We are ripe for economic growth and energy independence"? Does she not know that that is incorrect?
505 days??? WHHHHHAAAAAAATTTTT 505 days is nothing not even a year and a half! Does she have a clue about what she is talk about????
Why on this earth would Palin make such a grand boast when most likely she knows the truth?
Well it is really quite simple, Palin is trying to show her friends in the oil industry that she is with them. That way she gets much needed money and support for her projects. All the while sticking it hard to the American (consumer) people.
Okay now, what happens on day 506? Where do we get our next fix of black gold? Well, if you said the middle east my friends, well then you are correct.
Now the honest truth of what will happen to the oil from the Arctic refuge is we drill there. Each oil company will make bids to drill. The one that makes the best bid then gets the right to drill.
After the company takes the oil it will then sell it on the open market. The country that bids the highest wins the oil. Most likely at this time it will be China that wins. The United States will not see any of that oil.
For 17 years I worked for in the Petroleum Industry. I have some experience and knowledge of what I am talking about.
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amerijap
Utilitarianism over environmentalism, huh? I'm curious how oil drillings in the Alaska would lead to the protection of local natural habitats and resources as well as the reduction of greenhouse gas emission in general.
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WilliB
Well, actually, Palin is half-right. Yes, the Obama energy plan is an economic disaster, but with a collapsing economy, the US will consume a lot less of everything, including fossil fuel.
The fat cat politicians themselves won´t notice any hardship themselves at all of course, just like in North Korea the Great Leader can pontificate while the population starves.
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smithinjapan
SuperLib: "Because most of the comments written here are by foreigners. And that's something I really don't understand."
This is a Japanese news site, on the internet. What's hard to understand is how people who cannot defend themselves suddenly have to throw out this 'foreigner' card when there is no nationality to how stupid this site, let alone how stupid the woman in question in this article is. You've lost any respect I've ever had for you, and I think goodDonkey summed up your hypocrisy pretty well, my friend.
"JT is simply pandering to foreigners who are obsessed with American conservatives."
Hang on a sec... I'm going to check the name of this news site one more time... hmmm... "American Conservatives"? nope... uhhh...
You get my point. There are no foreigners here except those too dense and too narrow-minded to realize the box in which you type comments has no real borders.
"That's the long and the short of it."
Nah... the long and short of it is is that you have no more valid arguments to make on the topic, nor many other topics on politics, so you have taken the low road and decided that in Japan 'foreigners' cannot comment on international news sites.
" Oh but SuperLib defends; don't get me wrong. It may be some insignificant detail but he defends. I have seen him defend an insignificant detail post after post and then when he is proven wrong he states that you are challenging an insignificant detail. But he was the one who brought it up. He was the one unable to let it go - until he was exposed by the facts."
Bang on, goodDonkey, bang on. Ah, but... you must be one of them 'internet foreigners'!
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jinjapan
she says it's bad for the economy. maybe so. but does it always have to be about money money money ??? what about the future of the planet which our children & grandchildren will be living on? why is this never taken into consideration over the economy ? the economy will eventually correct itself. always does. planet may not be able to do correct itself .
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realist
If I was American, my vote would be for Sarah Palin. Obama is going to ruin America. She will have her work cut out for her when she eventually takes over from him.
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Sarge
smithinjapan - What do you think about realist's post?
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tsukki
Palin concluded,
what a moron.
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