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  realist at 01:20 PM JST - 9th October

  Sarah Palin is still being vilified on a daily basis by the liberals, yet when she counter attacks with stating the truth about Barak Obama, she is further ridiculed. She cant win in the eyes of the liberals, of course. No matter what she says, she will always be wrong to them. However, the fact remains that many people in America and around the world respect and admire her - a woman not afraid to speak out. The truth is that Barak Obama WAS palsy-walsy with this terrorist lefty guy.

  Of course, its all politics, but please lets not ifnore the truth. You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.

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  WilliB at 12:38 PM JST - 10th October

  Obamas only executive experience is running a 100 million dollar "education" project funded by the Annenberg foundation together with Bill Ayers. In terms of school performance it was a flop, in terms of personal gains for Obama and Bill Ayers a spectacular success. If the media showed any interest in investigating Obamas background, there would be plenty of this to shine light one. But of course, there is zilch interest. They are much too busy bashing Palin.

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  CMEANDU26 at 02:25 PM JST - 10th October

  Where do get that they were pals? They worked on reform for inner city schools. They worked on a bill together. Not everyone who works together to make a change are pals. So I get confused when this gets brought up. Palin is just telling half truths. That seems to be the new plan. It seems like they have to try and do this low ball stuff because when it comes to real issues they can't talk. If they stick to the problems and how they are going to fix them then there will not be a chance in hell for them.

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  yasukuni at 03:46 PM JST - 10th October

  I think some of you underestimate the damage Ayers did. Do some more research. And this Obama is great at hanging around people for years and then now denouncing them close to an election. Palin is not only not wrong in bringing up associations, she isn't going far enough in getting Obama to explain more his association with ACORN, who they really are, and their impact on the current financial crisis. Palin isn't hitting hard enough.

  Dan Manjt, intellectuals and elites don't always make the right decisions, but on the other hand, some of them smile and wink too.

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  SezWho2 at 08:45 PM JST - 10th October

  yasukuni,

  That's what debates are all about. If these are important issues and you want to hear Obama explain them, write to John McCain and demand that he actually confront him on these things instead of being a weasel.

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  WilliB at 01:49 AM JST - 11th October

  SezWho2:

  " write to John McCain and demand that he actually confront him on these things instead of being a weasel. "

  Each time they do, they get accusations of "character attacks" and "racism" in return. So, damned if you do, damned if you don´t.

  Completely different rules for the other side, of course. Don´t you love double standards?

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  SiouxGirl at 04:49 AM JST - 11th October

  Palin is doing what the republicans are good at - dirty tricks and mud-slinging. Remember - Bush won governor of TX because of lies they spread about Ann Richards by leaving pamphlets on car windshields at churches. McCain in office will be more of the same as Bush - bailing out the wealthy. Don't be fooled.

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  SezWho2 at 06:35 AM JST - 11th October

  WilliB,

  McCain has not confronted Obama about this even one time. So to say this happens "each time" is vacuous.

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  rajivp_yahoo_com at 12:05 PM JST - 12th October

  For supporters of Palin, I can only feel bad for you. She tries to simplify things, when life isn't simple. I feel bad for McCain, he is lost...

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  coulrophobic at 03:17 PM JST - 12th October

  the October Surprise the DNC has foisted on America

  http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/this_could_be_the_game_changer.html

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  SezWho2 at 10:24 PM JST - 12th October

  Desperation.

  http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

  Or, just look at factcheck.org for the birth certificate issue.

  And as for the Indonesia argument, can Berg demonstrate that the school Obama attended would not have allowed Obama to attend just because his father was Indonesian?

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  OnTheRecord at 10:28 PM JST - 12th October

  palin was merely stating the truth. I cannot believe how many people defend a candidate who is in league with a terrorist who wanted to destroy the American way. Obama supports Acorn, who have enlisted thousands of homesless to bote multiple times for Obama. One homeless man on Fox News stated that he had voted 72 times for payment from　Acorn Obama supports Acorn, he is not fit to be my president.

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  Sarge at 11:31 PM JST - 12th October

  I'm satisfied that Obama was born in Hawaii, making him eligible to run for president. There is no evidence to the contrary.

  I'm not satisfied that he is the better choice over John McCain.

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  not4palin at 02:19 AM JST - 13th October

  Palin the real "domestic terrorist" pal !!!!

  Maybe someone she read up on HER record of "pallin' around" with the late Joe Vogler. and the Alaska Independence Party whom she gave a shout out to during the VP debate.

  “My government is my worst enemy. I’m going to fight them with any means at hand.” This was former revolutionary terrorist Bill Ayers back in his old Weather Underground days, right? Imagine what Sarah Palin is going to do with this incendiary quote as she tears into Barack Obama this week.

  Only one problem. The quote is from Joe Vogler, the raging anti-American who founded the Alaska Independence Party. Inconveniently for Palin, that’s the very same secessionist party that her husband, Todd, belonged to for seven years and that she sent a shout-out to as Alaska governor earlier this year. (“Keep up the good work,” Palin told AIP members. “And God bless you.”)

  AIP chairwoman Lynette Clark said recently that Sarah Palin is her kind of gal. “She’s Alaskan to the bone … she sounds just like Joe Vogler.”

  So who are these America-haters that the Palins are pallin’ around with?

  The AIP was born of the vision of “Old Joe” Vogler, a hard-bitten former gold miner who hated the government of the United States almost as much as he hated wolves and environmentalists. His resentment peaked during the early 1970s when the federal government began installing Alaska’s oil and gas pipeline. Fueled by raw rage — “The United States has made a colony of Alaska,” he told author John McPhee in 1977 — Vogler declared a maverick candidacy for the governorship in 1982. Though he lost, Old Joe became a force to be reckoned with, as well as a constant source of amusement for Alaska’s political class. During a gubernatorial debate in 1982, Vogler proposed using nuclear weapons to obliterate the glaciers blocking roadways to Juneau. “There’s gold under there!” he exclaimed.

  Vogler made another failed run for the governor’s mansion in 1986. But the AIP’s fortunes shifted suddenly four years later when Vogler convinced Richard Nixon’s former interior secretary, Wally Hickel, to run for governor under his party’s banner. Hickel coasted to victory, outflanking a moderate Republican and a centrist Democrat. An archconservative Republican running under the AIP candidate, Jack Coghill, was elected lieutenant governor.

  Hickel’s subsequent failure as governor to press for a vote on Alaskan independence rankled Old Joe. With sponsorship from the Islamic Republic of Iran, Vogler was scheduled to present his case for Alaskan secession before the United Nations General Assembly in the late spring of 1993. But before he could, Old Joe’s long, strange political career ended tragically that May when he was murdered by a fellow secessionist. Yes murdered.

  Before his strange murder in 1993, party founder Vogler preached armed insurrection against the United States of America. Vogler, who always carried a Magnum with him, was fond of saying, “When the [federal] bureaucrats come after me, I suggest they wear red coats. They make better targets. In the federal government are the biggest liars in the United States, and I hate them with a passion. They think they own [Alaska]. There comes a time when people will choose to die with honor rather than live with dishonor. That time may be coming here. Our goal is ultimate independence by peaceful means under a minimal government fully responsive to the people. I hope we don’t have to take human life, but if they go on tramping on our property rights, look out, we’re ready to die.”

  This quote is from “Coming Into the Country,” by John McPhee, who traipsed around Alaska’s remote gold mining country with Vogler for his 1991 book. The violent-tempered secessionist vowed to McPhee that if any federal official tried to stop him from polluting Alaska’s rivers with his earth-moving equipment, he would “run over him with a Cat and turn mosquitoes loose on him while he dies.”

  Vogler wasn’t just a blowhard either. He put his secessionist ideas into action, working to build AIP membership to 20,000 — an impressive figure by Alaska standards — and to elect party member Walter Hickel as governor in 1990.

  Vogler’s greatest moment of glory was to be his 1993 appearance before the United Nations to denounce United States “tyranny” before the entire world and to demand Alaska’s freedom. The Alaska secessionist had persuaded the government of Iran to sponsor his anti-American harangue.

  That’s right … Iran. The Islamic dictatorship. The taker of American hostages. The rogue nation that McCain and Palin have excoriated Obama for suggesting we diplomatically engage. That Iran.

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  SezWho2 at 09:43 AM JST - 13th October

  not4palin,

  Thanks for the Salon article. I enjoyed the read. Next time could you attribute your sources?

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