Palin defiant after probe jolts McCain campaign
DAVENPORT, Iowa —
Vice presidential hopeful Sarah Palin denied wrongdoing Saturday after a probe found she had abused voters’ trust as Alaska governor, in a new blow to John McCain’s trailing White House campaign.
Republican McCain was embroiled in turmoil of his own meanwhile, after he was booed late Friday by supporters and appeared to undercut his own campaign strategy by calling time on personal attacks on Barack Obama.
Alaska Governor Palin rejected the findings of a bipartisan legislative probe which found she violated ethics rules by letting husband Todd pressure top officials for the firing of her ex-brother-in-law, a state trooper.
Asked by a reporter in Pennsylvania if the charges were true, Palin replied: “No, and if you read the report you will see that there was nothing unlawful or unethical about it. You have to read the report.”
The report said that Palin had “the authority and power to require Mr Palin to cease contacting subordinates, but she failed to act.”
But in a phrase seized upon by the McCain camp, the report also said she acted within her “constitutional and statutory authority” in the case.
The probe was the latest blow to Palin, who electrified the Republican Party when she was first picked, but has seen her impact, especially among undecided voters and women diminish amid questions about her qualifications.
The damaging report could make it tougher for the McCain camp to portray Palin as a crusading reformer set to flush out corruption in Washington.
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LIBERTAS
Keep talkin' Sarah baby! The sweet chariot is a comin' for to carry Obama home! In Alaska it's obvious that ya keep diggin' when yer in a big hole, right?
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yabits
Palin defiant....
Yeah, Sarah can't do contrite. (Is she really a Christian?)
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ProfessorJ
The Palin factor. Come November 5 when asked where do the Repubs think they went wrong and what do they think the crucial differences were, the answer will be one stupid question-evading airhead Sarah Palin, the biggest ignoramus on the world stage despite reading all the newspapers. What a joke. This is a joke right? Sarah Palin as Vice President? When is McCain going to start taking this election seriously? There's only a few weeks left. Good luck old man. Geez I hope you get elected and the world can have more of the same and you take everyone down with you. Throw in a few words like patriot and dumb people like me will vote for you. Let's start a few more wars, then complain when there's not enough money to solve the most basic of issues back home. But at least there will be a few laughs generated by the escaping air of your sidekick Sarah. Can't take things too seriously.
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Everton2
I just can't help but to think that there is something "Trailer Park" about that Sarah Palin and her family. This entire troopergate story with its threats and taser gun use seem the stuff of white trash.
Moderator: Please do not use expressions like "white trash." They lower the level of discussion and reflect badly on yourself.
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MrDickMorris
Everton2- You are saying bad things against our next VP.
This is a woman who has devoted herself to her family and the community.
The allegations are untrue Liberal slurs designed to assist Obama into a sneaky entrance to the White House.
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Simon_Foston
There we go again. It's always "Liberals" to blame for everything, isn't it? Credit crisis? Liberals. International terrorism? Liberals. Someone's used all the toilet paper? Liberals. How do you explain that the committee that found Palin guilty was mostly made up of Republicans? Or were they "Liberal" Republicans?
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adaydream
It's funny to hear the crying when it was like 10/4 republicans to democrats.
These must be traitor republicans?
Take it and go on. But the more you deny and whine, you look more like a dork moment by moment. < :-)
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MrDickMorris
I am an independent, who happens to find the McCain palin ticket the best option.
Palin is of course defiant, she is innocent, she in unconvicted of any crime.
it would be wise for those on the lfet to remember which candidate befriends a known terrorist, now there is a scandal.
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Sarge
Atta girl!
"She's white trash.
Ignorant comment.
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Sarge
Professor - Get ready for Vice President Palin.
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ProfessorJ
Well I'll have to pack a few things and my flight to Alaksa will have to wait a few days, but I can welcome her home if you fair weather supporters will conveniently forget her come November 5.
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ProfessorJ
I'm not so sure if she will in fact be elected VP of her local crappy hockey club though. But yeah Sarge, I'll take your continued words of wisdom and get ready for her up there. And then when that's done I'll be Mission Accomplished. And continue drinking whatever it is that makes me this KY and unable to see what's coming. Enjoy.
P.S. Palin soon to disappear from the news forever, barring the occasional oh my god do you remember that hick the Repubs put up as VP? What were they thinking.
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SushiSake3
Palin defiant after probe jolts McCain campaign
Ha ha! the McCAin-Palin Celebrity Ticket is looking worse by the day.
What hte heck was mccain thinking when he selcted her? He had barely even met her, and to select someone like her as a potential VP is the height of recklessness.
mccain has well and truly put Country Last by choosing Palin as his running mate.
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MrDickMorris
What is wrong with McCain choosing Palin?
She attracts woman and younger votrs to increase the support base for mcCain.
Her political career is unblemished, she has never associated with terrorists and America haters.
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SushiSake3
It pays to be careful what you wish for; you might just get it.
mccain has long wished for some other news story to drown out the endless stories about the economic turmoil.
Finally he got it: the Palin abuse-of-power story is being covered in detail by the Washington Post, New York Times, LA Times, USA Today, and just about every other national paper in the country as well as most of the foreign press.
toooo funny!!!
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SushiSake3
MrDickMorris - "SushiSake3- And, pray tell, what is wrong with McCain choosing Palin?"
A: She is an idiot. Would you REALLY want her as your VP??
"She attracts woman and younger votrs to increase the support base for mcCain."
Wrong.
She is turning them away. Women and white males are turning to Obama in increasing numbers.
And Obama has had the young vote wrapped up for well on a year now.
About the only segment of the electorate mccain now has a majority of voters in is the over 65's.
Sarah Palin is helping john mccain **lose **votes.
"Her political career is unblemished, she has never associated with terrorists and America haters."
Her politcal career is blemished, as this thread highlights.
Oh, and she is in bed with successionists.
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SushiSake3
Sarah Palin, to put it bluntly, is an embarassment to America, in particular to American women.
Case in point: how many women out there want it dictated by law whether or not they can have an abortion?
If my memory serves me correctly, Sarah Palin is against abortion in ALL cases, even rape and incest.
That is about as 'anti-women' as you can get so it's no surprise female voters are switching to Obama.
Oh, but she can kill moose from helicopters - I'll give her that.
Really, if I had a choice between Sarge or Sarah Palin for VP of the USA, I'd vote for Sarge any day of the week.
Sarge '08!!!! :-)
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MrDickMorris
Sushisake3- Palin is defiant as teh probe was bised against her.
Palin knows many despise her because of her charm and ability at ayoung age for a politician.
The Obama meltdown is here. There should be a probe now looking into Obama's link with evil Ayers the notorious terrorist fiend. He shold forfeit the election as a penance for his prior acts and attempts to cover them up. Doubt he will do it though.
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coulrophobic
sushisake3 - "Sarah Palin, to put it bluntly, is an embarassment to America, in particular to American women."
That strikes me as something only an American 'liberal' female could say.
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SushiSake3
MrDickMorris - "The Obama meltdown is here."
That must explain why Obama is leading mccain by almost 10 points in at least 4 different polls. :-)
"There should be a probe now looking into Obama's link with evil Ayers the notorious terrorist fiend."
Not enough people care.
More people are concerned about Sarah Palin's ability, or more accurately - blindly obvious lack of it.
"He shold forfeit the election as a penance for his prior acts and attempts to cover them up."
Why, is Obama somehow being influenced by Ayers/Rezco?
Rezco is being questioned as we speak. Any dirt that will come out is far more likely to affect the current mayor (?) of Illinois, not Obama.
Oh, and by the way, at long last - mccain has now started focusing his campaigning on the economy and is turning off talking up Obama's long past connections with Ayers.
At long last, mccain is starting to talk about the number 1 issue facing Americans.
Which is not Ayers or Rezc by a long shot.
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ProfessorJ
Charm. This is why the minority likes her. That ability you refer to has been hard to gauge in recent weeks since she's been given little opportunity to showcase that ability. Why would that be? A woman of such ability should be out there and demonstrating that ability. Why are the McCains stopping this woman from using her ability?
Hmm meltdown is here...but a forefeit is necesssary! Ha ha, you're down and conceding! But continue your nonsense in vain! I'm not subscribing to your Alaskan newsletter. You should read all the newspapers, yes all of them, and show off your charm and ability.
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Sarge
Sushi - Sarah Palin is a fine woman of impeccable character who has devoted herself to her family, her community and her state, and she will make a great vice president.
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ProfessorJ
Hilarious! Fine. Impeccable. Devoted. Great. Love her much?! Doesn't amount to an argument though. I'm glad you're in the minority. There is nothing your adjectives can do about it.
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ProfessorJ
I would say she is less of an idiot than she is unprepared, uninformed, so out of her league she needs another four years just to get up to speed*, so when on the spot she can only flubber her way out of answering the question and really does look like an idiot. Stick to what you know woman. Your small world of hockey, personal vendettas and shooting animals on your border patrol.
*Think they'll be giving Palin a chance in 2012 anyway? You'd better hope not.
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cleo
That devotion has so far produced one teenage son in a war zone after leaving high school (after she and Todd sat at the kitchen table wondering about college fees?), one teenage daughter pregnant by another teenager, and one little baby with an extra chromosome born to a mother in her 40s (roughly 200 times more likely to have a Down syndrome baby than a mother in her 30s) and left in the care of others while Mom winks at the camera and says "Ya betcha".
In the unlikely event that the McCain/Palin pair do move into the White House in January , I really, really hope she does not show the same kind of devotion to state matters that she has to family matters.
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ProfessorJ
It appears there are two types of voters: those with brains, and those without. Team Force Obama are targeting the former, and McPain the latter. There is hope.
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coulrophobic
It's been quite revealing watching self-professed liberals and social progressives, who like to pretend it is because of them that we have laws against sexism or discrimination in the workplace, demand that Sarah Palin get back in the kitchen and that John McCain check himself into a retirement home.
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Sarge
"Team Force Obama"
Fortunately, for America and the world, the Force won't be with him on Nov. 4.
"It appears there are two types of voters: those with brains, and those without. Team Force Obama are targeting the former"
That's because so far, all they've got are the latter, and that won't be enough.
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Sarge
Cleo - Nice try at blaming Sarah Palin for her children's decisions.
While you think it's a disgrace that her son is in Iraq, millions of others are proud of him and every other brave soldier over there.
While you think it's a disgrace that she had a baby with Down Syndrome, millions of others applaud her for not aborting him.
I'm loooking foward to see her age in office.
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ProfessorJ
When are you moving up to Alaska? Before or after you're finished recycling your comments?
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Betzee
That's not necessary but it would be nice if she shared her recipe for mooseburgers.
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bebert
This is so ridiculous and partisan. The state trooper Palin wanted fired had tasered a 10-year-old for kicks while off duty (or was he 12?). It was negligent for anyone to protect a law officer, so Palin was right to fire the safety commissioner for not firing this loose cannon.
Let me give you another example. Several years ago, it was learned that several white cops went camping and they used a black manequin for target practice. When this came to light, they were fired. If that is an offense one can get fired for, then using real violent force against a child should also be grounds for dismissal.
Since the Reds for Obama can't dig up any real skeletons on this woman they hate and fear so much, they make hay about a trivial incident in which Palin was acting within the law and within reason.
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cleo
I don't think it's a disgrace that her son is serving in Iraq (leaving aside the fact of the US being in Iraq being a disgrace in the first place). I think it's not the choice most devoted parents would make for their kids. At least get a college degree first (assuming the kid has the brain and the parents have the wherewithal). It also gives the lie to Sarah's claim that she and her husband worried over how to pay the college fees.
I don't think it's a disgrace that she didn't abort a baby with Down syndrome. I think it shows a profound lack of good sense if she made a conscious decision to have a baby at 44 given the known added risks, and a worrying lack of self-control if it wasn't a conscious decision but an oops! moment. Granted, mere mortals do have oops! moments, but the thought of a person who is prone to them - and with a record of loading the consequences onto others - potentially having a finger on the Big Red Button is very, very scary.
I do think it's a disgrace that having produced a special needs baby, she's happy to let someone else see to those needs while she gallivants across the country trying to land a job she's patently not cut out for.
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cleo
First shoot yer moose...
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moonbeams
Okay, one, Palin is not an idiot.
She gave idiotic answers at interviews, but maybe, just maybe she was nervous and her brain was moving too fast for her words. This often happens to me as well.
Two, Sarge is right, millions of people are proud of Palin for her decisions.
I highly respected Palin until the "palling with terrorists" comments.
Three, Palin brought her troubles on herself. Irresponsible comments that were just inhaled by her crowd.
A question to her supporters, if Palin ran in the primaries, would you have voted for her? If the answer is yes, do you think she should be on the top of the ticket?
Just curious.
Here's the basic truth and why it's so futile to argue here.
We are divided into two teams, left and right. Whoever is on our team, we will support in order to beat the other team.
Personally, I love Obama. Don't care for Clinton, but if she won, I would be fighting for her.
I think you guys supporting Palin are fighting for her because you're told to. Look at how easily you accept and repeat the propaganda-like attacks she as laid out on Obama. You guys just repeat it over and over as if that's all you know how to say.
Sushisake3 is right, you have no solid argument.
And here's another truth, as ProfessorJ pointed out, the right's argument lacks intelligence.
It's pure emotion.
After the Arab comment, I almost felt bad for McCain. He must have been like, "My God, what have we done?"
The Republican vote is dependent on the masses who don't think for themselves and will swallow anything they're told. The sad thing is, the Republican party, as it is today, serves the interests of Big Business. The guys in the party a rich guys. Count the number of CEOs that join the party. Big Business supported by non-thinking masses.
And yes, Sarge, VOR, coulrophobic, and especially MrDickMorris, your argument is lacking in that cognitive factor.
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rabblerouser
Why didn't Sarah issue a direct order saying fire such and such trooper for such and such offences?
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rabblerouser
Correction: Why didn't Gov. Palin issue a direct order saying fire such and such trooper for such and such offences?
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coulrophobic
"I do think it's a disgrace that having produced a special needs baby, she's happy to let someone else see to those needs while she gallivants across the country trying to land a job she's patently not cut out for."
Do you know much about raising a child with Down Syndrome?
Should having a child with Down Syndrome have somehow disqualified Charles DeGaulle from political office?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/09/AR2008090902519.html
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TokyoGas
I thought the kid was tazed because he wanted to see what it felt like. Stupid kid and stupid trooper.
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adaydream
Pretty soon Sarah Palin will be back in Alaska field dressing a deer, fishing for salmon and dreaming about what could have been.
Meamwhile the rest of us will be forgetting about Sarah Palin.
Sarah who?
Then she'll have to deal with the state of Alaska when they re-instate her favorite police officer.
Meanwhile, as we forget who Sarah is. < :-)
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Sarge
"I think you guys supporting Palin are fighting for her because you're told to."
I can't speak for other Palin supporters, but I can guarantee no one tells me what to do or say.
"the right's argument lacks intelligence"
I'm laughing at the left's superior intellect.
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ProfessorJ
That's the spirit Sarge. You'll need to be strong the next four years. If you're really looking forward to watching Pain grow old in office, I'll move up to Alaska with you and we can watch her count the day's takings in the back of the supermarket. But only cos no one tells you what to do or say. You're so strong and wise. Palin for prez 2084.
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Taka313
Trooper-gate, along with her extremely poor showings in interviews with Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric have really shown that sarah palin was not properly vetted by the GOP.
candidate mccain introduced palin as his running mate on Aug. 30. His approval rating peaked a week afterwards, due to the Palin selection and the RNC.
Since then, his approval rating has rapidly declined at a steady pace.
On Sep. 8, he peaked at 48.3 and currently stands at 42.3. Meanwhile, the negative campaigning by the GOP, mostly headed up by palin and the economic crisis have helped boost Sen. Obama's approval rating to the highest point he has enjoyed since deciding to run for president (again, according to RCP.com).
palin may turn out to be the best player on Obama's team.
Maybe instead of pit bull, palin should be referred to as an albatross with lipstick.
Taka
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sailwind
This pretty much nails it as why alot of people can't stand Sarah Palin. I agree with Ann Marlowe 100 percent and her commentary piece 100 percent.
My friends who hate Palin are all more articulate and better educated than she is, better traveled, probably smarter, definitely more fun to talk with. But the reasons they can't stand Palin are all wrong.
It's not so much that Palin isn't one of our own--an Ivy League type, or an Eastern preppie, or a self-made intellectual like Rice. It's not for the fake feminist reasons that "she's against freedom of choice" or "she didn't tell her daughter about birth control." (Though there is an element of hatred for her fertility, and the fact that it hasn't impeded her rise.) It's not because Palin only got a passport a few years ago and doesn't speak any foreign languages.
No, it's because Palin makes us look like the slackers we mainly are.
Ouch........
http://www.forbes.com/2008/10/06/sarah-palin-elite-oped-cxam1007marlowe.html
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sailwind
Oops, the linked changed here is the right one to access article. A very good read, makes one really think whats really behind all the shreiking.
http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/10/06/sarah-palin-elite-oped-cxam1007marlowe.html
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coulrophobic
"No, it's because Palin makes us look like the slackers we mainly are."
True.
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goodDonkey
sailwind
Once again you attempt to trump the discussion with a simple explanation that would make all our claims to why we dislike Palin simply dishonesty on our part. So does Palin make you and sarge look like slackers or does that only apply to us? If you also are made to look like slackers then why don't you hate her as well? It defies logic.
I really would like an answer to whether we look like slackers and you do not.
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goodDonkey
SushiSake3 said:
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That made me laugh hard. It was the combination of the truthfulness and the irony.
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goodDonkey
bebert said:
Long live McCarthyism
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sailwind
ummmmm....goodDonkey.
I posted,
I don't see where I claimed all of the anti=Palin crowd were slackers. I also don't see where I said you specifically. I said simply after reading her commentary that I can see why alot of people can't stand Sarah Palin and she nailed it. Got you pretty worked up didn't it. Usually a reaction like that from a poster means Ann Marlowe hit it pretty close to home.
And Besides I'm posting Ann Marlowe's opinion in a commentary piece. She travels in "elite" circles. It is her opinion and I agreed with it. She gave her views from the circle she travels in and her observations. Read the piece if you don't like her opinion thats fine.
You might want to try reading a little more closely to what I actually wrote and read Ann Marlowe's thoughts before flying off the handle and jumping all over me.
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goodDonkey
Sarge at 01:47 PM JST - 12th October
I can't speak for other Palin supporters, but I can guarantee no one tells me what to say or do. (voice in the background says, "I told you to write do or say.") (sarge says, "fine")
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goodDonkey
sailwind said:
Another truth from sailwind's world.
I wasn't worked up. That would be why I joked afterward in subsequent comments. If you think that I think Palin makes me look like a slacker then I can assure you that your assumption is incorrect.
I did read it wrong I thought she was saying "My friends" like McCain says it. I somehow saw that it said "who hate" but I did not see it right to make the connection that she was speaking of her circle. Once that is taken into consideration then "a lot of people" has no meaning for me because it could represent any number of people. If her statement had been all inclusive I would definitely interpret "a lot of people" coming from the greater pool of Palin haters. I mean it still sounds real kooky to me. I don't know anyone who is made to look like a slacker because of Palin. Maybe you will find some takers on this thread.
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SezWho2
I think Palin would have been better off to have been more specific. Instead of implying that the report actually cleared her by saying that she had done nothing unethical or illegal, she should have been very careful to restrict that to the firing of Monegan.
Regarding the illegal act which the report did find she had committed she should have said that she disagreed with the report in that regard and that she would be contesting that finding. She should have added that she was confident she would be completely vindicated when all the details were known.
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Nippon5
She's trying to do what the Democrates are doing on the other side, spin the report...
She did violate ethic rules by not controlling her family and friends and allowing the use of her office and name in the pursuit of a resolution in the ex-brother in law deal.
Its no different then trying to say she was was illegal or was abusing her power in firing the Department head.
Both these claims go against the findings and are just the typical political spin used by one side to attack the other....
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Nippon5
Taka313...
The GOP got a tad confused on the whole vetting thing...
They asked McCain if they needed to do vetting on Palin... McCain had his hearing aid out at the time and thought they said.. "Do we need to do some venting of Palin?".. McCain answered .... "No!" then mumbled to him self.... "Damn idiots that woman smells good why would I want her vented....."
See so thats why the vetting did find much..
Im just kidding :)
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Nippon5
SezWho2
Very well said!!!!
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goodDonkey
The Seatle Times posted an article that I found interesting:
Report: Palin didn't fear for safety
This would change the whole dynamic by deflating her claim.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008257451_trooper12.html
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coulrophobic
The 263 page report appears to have been written by a single 'investigator' (Mr. Branchflower) hired by an openly pro-Obama Democrat. From the report:
"For the reasons explained in section IV of this report, I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act. Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) provides
The legislature reaffirms that each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust."
Yeah. No politician gonna smirk reading that.
On the same page he writes this
"I find that, although Walt Monegan's refusal to fire Trooper Michael Wooten was not the sole reason he was fired by Governor Sarah Palin, it was likely a contributing factor to his termination as Commissioner of Public Safety. In spite of that, Governor Palin's firing of Commissioner Monegan was a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority to hire and fire executive branch department heads."
How can there be a violation of ethics when there was lawful exercise of authority and when Monegan was not fired but reassigned to a job he refused to accept?
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Nippon5
cleo.. I think it's not the choice most devoted parents would make for their kids.
I dont know about you but at 18 my parents didnt make my plans. Also Allot of very good parents have children in the Military, in fact my Nephew just joined to serve when he had the option to go to the U on a free ride.. His parents do a wonderful job and allow their children to make up their own minds when they are adults...
Adaydream said Then she'll have to deal with the state of Alaska when they re-instate her favorite police officer.
He never was removed from being a trooper at all just put on a few days off.. before she was in office..
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goodDonkey
I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alask Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act. Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) provideds
"The legislature reaffirms that each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benifit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust."
Under Alaska law, it is up to the state's Personnel Board which is conducting its own investigation into the matter to decide whether Palin violated state law and, if so, must refer it to the Senate president for disciplinary action. Violations also carry a possible fine of up to $5,000.
I wonder what the Personnel Board will decide if they take up the matter beyond conducting their investigation.
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Betzee
His daughter with Downs Syndrome was dead by the time he became Prime Minister. Bill Clinton postponed running for president until Chelsea was 12 (party elders had wanted him to run when she was 8, but her parents thought she was too young). Perhaps enjoying four more years of a "normal" family helped her avoid the drunken escapades which are all too familiar among the offspring of elected officials.
According to Todd Palin, their children were not even informed Sarah had accepted John McCain's offer to be his running mate until they arrived bleary-eyed in Ohio. She herself has said, upon being asked to join the ticket, "I accepted immediately." Obviously their opinion didn't matter to her.
While no one has advocated a parent with young children be barred from seeking national office, it's perfectly acceptable for voters to survey the Palin family and decide, "I don't like these people's values and therefore I'm not going to vote for her."
I'm not voting for her for other reasons, but I think there are a fair number of voters, particularly those who view family life through a traditional lens, who have rejected her for that reason.
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adaydream
North to Alaska is Sarah Palin's only direction.
And I bet she doesn't get re-elected as govenor.
Bye-Bye Sarah. < :-)
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SushiSake3
Sarah Palin - a mother? Yes.
A Vice President? Erhhr, please excuse me for a minute -
[LMAO!!!!!!!!!! :-) :-) ]
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Sarge
1600 Pennsylvania Ave. is Sarah Palin's only directon.
Bye-bye, Obama-Byeden.
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ProfessorJ
Ah the bus tour. Look Sarge I don't know if she'll be up for it mentally for a while. First it'll be back to her northern border patrol and dealing with the absolute mess she has waiting for her. Let's see if she can flubber her way out of it.
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Sarge
Professor - Dream on.
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MrDickMorris
I agree with Sarge- Republicans and their followers have higher morals and decency,palin exhibits these traits , and is guilt free.
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adaydream
Barack Obama and Joe Biden will win the election over John McCain and Sarah Palin by a clear 10 points. < :-)
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SushiSake3
And anyway ProfessorJ - I'm voting for Sarge in '08.
Why? Because even Sarge has more foreign policy experience than Sarah Palin.
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SushiSake3
MrDickMorris - "Republicans and their followers have higher morals and decency,palin exhibits these traits , and is guilt free."
I absolutely agree, and that explains why Sarah Palin has just been found **guilty **of violating ethics rules by letting husband Todd pressure top officials for the firing of her ex-brother-in-law, and why Senator John McCaion has been lying his arse off about how he has asked Sarah Palin 'many times' for advice in the past, considering he had only met her once before selecting her.
Republican logic wins the day every time!
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Sarge
Sushi - "even Sarge has more foreign policy experience than Sarah Palin"
And Sarah Palin has more foreign policy experience than Barack Obama. At least she can see Russia from her house! Nyuk nyuk nyuk!
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SushiSake3
Sarge, even you think Sarah Palin is a joke.
That's what I suspected all along - glad to see you confirmed it.
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Nessie
Sail, about Palin haters, I think you need to recognize an important distinction. There are those who hate her, there are those who love her, and there are those who hate the idea of her as a candidate (for any office, in any party). I'm in that third category.
As a ciziten, she's perfectly welcome to participate in de-witching ceremonies and inquiries about banning books. It's her business if she wants to try to erode separation of church and state. Ditto if she wants to believe the Earth was created 10,000 years ago, with humans and dinosaurs co-existing in harmony before the Fall. Ditto if she associates with people who see Alaska as the destination for true believers after the upcoming rapture. We all have our own little irrationalities. Some of us not so little.
But in evaluating her as a candidate for public office, these things give me pause. So it would be more accurate to call me a hater of Palin as a cadidate.
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SushiSake3
Sarah Palin has about as much chance of becoming Vice President of the USA as George W. Bush has of becoming President of MENSA.
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Sarge
Sushi, I'm sorry you misunderstimated me. I don't think Palin is a joke, I was just making a little joke. Seriously, excluding Obama's two trips to Iraq ( the second one into which he was goaded by McCain ), he has no more foreign policy experience than Palin, and she has more executive experience than Obama. This cannot be denied.
Professor, sorry to hear that you've never seen an episode of The Three Stooges. Maybe that's what's wrong wit ya...Nyuk nyuk nyuk!
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adaydream
Sarah is doing exactly what she was selected for. She's an attack dog for the republicans. She's doing just that.
But I'd have thought that the republicans could actually find someone who would be a decent VP, especially after seeing dick cheney make a laughing stock of the position. The biggest scare-monger who ever held the position. < :-)
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Sarge
daydream - Don't you worry, Palin will be a great VP.
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adaydream
You got to get elected first and McCain/Palin are far from being elected. < :-)
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Sarge
Obama/Biden aren't much closer. McCain/Palin are most certainly within striking distance.
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cleo
Palin isn't disqualified from political office. She already has a political office, she's governor of Alaska.
Sarah Palin is no Charles DeGaulle.
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adaydream
Sarge - McCain/Palin are a solid 10 points behind Obama/Biden. < :-)
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sailwind
Nessie
Question?
I haven't read a single speech she has said or a single policy as Governor of Alaska that supports that she is a mindless end of days Christian nut could you help me here supporting your assertion with some real facts?
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Sarge
Cleo - You didn't answer the question.
daydream - I hear Obama is ahead by 11 points. If he doesn't get at least 5 more in the next week or so, he's gonna have to take the gloves off.
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SushiSake3
Sarge, he already has and your OAP is toast.
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AlfGarnett
I think thsi Palin woman is off her trolley! Blimey, she thinks that Chrles Darwin is wrong. strewth even a simpleton can see evolution is true, bleeding common sense innit.
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BlackFlag
I reckon michael Barrymore would still have her in the pool though
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BlackFlag
I wonder what Del boy would say....
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DerekTrotter
She can be as defiant as she likes , i wouldn't say no.
I'm sure i can butter her up with a steak meal, yeah, that always does the trick, lovely jubbly.
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GeorgeRoper
I don't get all this, what's the big deal about michael palins wife? Why does she want to be in politics? Strewth, her husband has got money, and the woman is supposed to stay at home and be ahousewife, like Mrs Fourmille. On telly jeremy paxman said Palin is conservative, well i'm working class and proud of it, so i wouldn't agree with her extreme views anyway.
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GeorgeRoper
Palin has weird ideas, my wife Mildred, says she doesn't do her housewife duties and look aftyer her children proper. If she is crooked like they said on telly, then i reckon she should get the sack like normal people would.
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MikeBarrymore
I think she is a nutter, she doesn't like gays, but pretends to tolerate us!! Of course she is defiant, she is too stubborn to admit she's wrong, she thinks she is the bees kness, but her attitude is her downfall. Ccome on Obama, be the greatest hunky president ever!
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SezWho2
GeorgeRoper,
Or is it Emily Litella? I think you mean Todd Palin's wife. I'm not sure that Michael would have stuck around so long waiting for her to do her housewife duties.
Oh, well. Never mind.
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Sarge
"Ccome on Oama, be the greatest hunky president ever!"
Mike, are you sure America is ready for a president with such a fit behind?
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Nessie
Yes, I would love to help, if you can stop putting words in my mouth. I didn't say "she is a mindless end of days Christian nut."
This is what I said (with evidence in parentheses):
- participated in de-witching ceremonies (Video on Youtube)
- participated in inquiries about banning books (She has admitted this.)
- eroded separation of church and state (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/11/palin-blurs-line-betweenn133863.html)
- wants to believe the Earth was created 10,000 years ago, with humans and dinosaurs co-existing in harmony before the Fall (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/28/palin-claimed-dinosaurs-an130012.html)
- associates with people who see Alaska as the destination for true believers after the upcoming rapture (http://davidwogan.us/?p=868)
Out of curiousity, would you like to see more erosion of the line between church and state?
And how do you feel about her being a tax cheat?(http://gawker.com/5059012/sarah-palin-tax-cheat)
I can see how people might like and respect McCain. I liked and respected him before he whored himself so blatantly in the recent campaign. But I honestly don't see what's to like about Palin as a candidate for public office, unless you're threatened by candidates who are smarter than you or you have contempt for the US Constitution.
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coulrophobic
"This is what I said (with evidence in parentheses): - participated in de-witching ceremonies (Video on Youtube)"
What is "de-witching"? There is no such word.
"participated in inquiries about banning books (She has admitted this.)"
Please have a look.
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2008/09/22/bozell-palin-book-burning-myth
"wants to believe the Earth was created 10,000 years ago, with humans and dinosaurs co-existing in harmony before the Fall"
As with the supposed book burning you offer no proof other than someone's claim (a music teacher) that she said this.
Got anything a more convincing?
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Sarge
coulrophobic - He doesn't.
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Nessie
You know what it means. If you don't, then watch the Youtube video.
I stand by my claim that she "participated in inquiries about banning books." This is not contested by anyone. Not by her. Not by your source. She did participate in such inquiries. The full story from a more neural source than yours:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html
The music teacher is on record as saying she is a young-earther. To my knowledge, she hasn't denied being a young-earther or a creationist. I acknowledge there is no definitive proof, but there is evidence, and that was my claim: I had evidence for each of my assertions.
I'm still waiting to hear how you and Sail feel about erosion of the line between church and state and her being a tax cheat. I've given up on Sarge because he doesn't seem to have much to contribute to the discussion.
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Sarge
coulrophobic - What did I tell you?
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jwills79
Sarge,
You haven't said anything really. Where are the rebuttals for Nessie?
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jwills79
The proof for the "de-witching" is all over the net (Youtube). The discussion about the books has been admitted by her. The proof of her belief system is in the Religion she practices. What more proof do need?
Her approval rating in Alaska is very low right now. I don't she will win the VP or even re-elected as Governor.
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Nippon5
Seems her rating is at 68% now.. which is considered very high compared to others..
Its down form the unbelievable rating of 82%..
Its a rating that any political person would like I think..
Doesnt make her a great political person, Im just pointing out the wrong data provided by jwills79
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