Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

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zurcronium at 04:49 AM JST - 14th August

Palin today defended her lies about the healthcare reform needed in the USA.

Now her republican buddies are calling her nuts or worse . . .

Palin's posting came one day after Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska said that Palin and other critics were not helping the GOP by tossing out false claims. Portions of the Democratic health care bills "are bad enough that we don't need to be making things up," Murkowski said, invoking a phrase that Palin used in her resignation speech, when she asked the news media to "quit making things up." Murkowski said she was offended at the death panel terminology. "There is no reason to gin up fear in the American public by saying things that are not included in the bill," she said. Georgia Sen. Johnny Isakson, a Republican who co-sponsored a similar measure in the Senate, said it was "nuts" to claim the bill encourages euthanasia. And Rep. Earl Blumenauer, D-Ore., who authored the provision on end-of-life counseling, said he is astounded that Palin has not tempered her bleak descriptions of the health care bill. "It's deliberate at this point," Blumenauer said. "If she wasn't deliberately lying at the beginning, she is deliberately allowing a terrible falsehood to be spread with her name." He said the measure would block funds for counseling that presents suicide or assisted suicide as an option, calling references to death panels or euthanasia "mind-numbing."
sfjp330 at 06:28 AM JST - 14th August

The issue is no longer viable for the six members of the senate. They had dropped end of life provisions from consideration entirely because of the way they could be misinterpreted and implemented incorrectly. Give Palin a break.
Klein2 at 05:06 PM JST - 14th August

I am really a Johnny come lately to this bout, but I have to chime in that I am not a huge fan of reform as it has been suggested.

It basically retains the current structure and sends the bill to the taxpayer. That is a recipe for abuse and disaster. Americans are loathe to tell someone else that their medical care is egregiously expensive, but it usually is. Ritalin for kids, Viagra for grampa, hormones for teens, liposuction and sedatives for mom, and dad gets his ulcer medicine and psycho meds, I guess. Braces and plastic surgery fit in there somewhere. Unless someone puts the brakes on spending, all that will happen is that the deep pockets will be forking out more and more for meds.

My sense is that people in Japan and Canada do not view the medical system as a huge gravy train, but Americans might. Let me take a risk and say that they will. I am very nervous about it. Would YOU want to be responsible for all of the hamburger induced diabetes, liver damage, and heart problems that Americans have inflicted upon themselves for decades? Not really. I want to be responsible for young people getting a healthy start in life.

I would have much more favored a basic, simple safety net type program including health screenings, immunization, prenatal care, and maybe some emergency care. If the programs get expanded to expensive meds and therapies, then all the goodwill will be bled out of the program before it gets a chance to help the people who just need a little help.
Gombei424Canada at 05:12 PM JST - 14th August

Bang on as usual, zurcronium.Your posts have really improved lately.And your use of direct quotes is impressive.

We all know that palin is finished.This is just another nail in her coffin,doubtless it will be the last.Said coffin will drag the repubs down in 2010 and 2012.

It really is too sad, and too funny also, the way the few remaining bush supporters here, who apparently WANT the 60 million people in America without health care to suffer,can come on here and defend this icky,stupid woman.She is the worst vice presidential candidate EVER, from the get-go.

Senator Harry Reid was right to call anyone who opposes President Obama's absolutely brilliant compassionate plan an evil-monger.

It just fits.

Well, anyways, as someone pointed out the so called end of life provisions were dropped, people,so palin has no case.Go shoot some moose,caribou Barbie.
zurcronium at 11:04 PM JST - 14th August

Gombei,

thanks for the comment. Turns out that the town hall fireworks are being created by the insurance industry PR folks, just like the teabaggers recently were all scripted and stagemanaged by rightwing reactionary forces. No doubt Palin was also just following a script. These kinda of lies were used 16 years ago when the insurance industry defeated reform under the Clinton administration. Since then insurance rates have more than doubled. Great investment by the insurance industry to protect their profits while 20,000 people die a year due to lack of insurance in the USA.
Sarge at 11:54 PM JST - 14th August

"Palin today defended her lies"

Palin has not lied.
Klein2 at 09:55 AM JST - 15th August

See how the middle ground in America has disintegrated?

Everyone is either FOR or AGAINST this one stupid bill. It is not universal health care. It is not even a good system. Is America doomed because policy is getting written up and debated by people who do not know or even care about the issues? I think so.

The only debate on what the limits of care should be, and whether or not rationed care makes sense takes place at the kindergarten level. Someone is a communist for wanting some level of health care for everyone, or someone is a ghoul for saying there are limits to what society can provide. How can the US avoid some pitfalls that other national systems have run into? How sophisticated is the Japanese system of universal health care? Americans will never ever know. They will have to reinvent the wheel because nobody ever trusts the government.
JoeBigs at 09:58 AM JST - 15th August
Sarge at 11:54 PM JST - 14th August "Palin today defended her lies" Palin has not lied.

Let us ask a Republican Senator if she believes Palin lied......

Anchorage Daily News:

U.S. Sen. Lisa Murkowski on Tuesday told an Anchorage crowd that critics of health care reform, the summer's hottest political topic, aren't helping the debate by throwing out highly charged assertions not based in fact.

"It does us no good to incite fear in people by saying that there's these end-of-life provisions, these death panels," Murkowski, a Republican, said. "Quite honestly, I'm so offended at that terminology because it absolutely isn't (in the bill). There is no reason to gin up fear in the American public by saying things that are not included in the bill."

Sarge if something is not there and someone claims that it is there, is that a lie? For those that just want to know what is a lie, well as always I am here to help....
- Main Entry: lie
  1. 1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
1. 2 : **to create a false or misleading impressiontransitive verb : to bring about by telling lies **
Unless you are a Palin fan, she lied. If you are a Palin fan, she was a bit mistaken....

In other words, Palin show her intellect by making this false statement.
Taka313 at 12:49 PM JST - 15th August

"palin has not lied."

I'm pointing as I laugh at the ridiculousness of that monumentally ignorant statement.

Taka
Gombei424Canada at 04:46 PM JST - 15th August

zurcronium:Great investment by the insurance industry to protect their profits while 20,000 people die a year due to lack of insurance in the USA.

Bingo! You said it, my fine friend.More excellent posting.But really the figure who DIE each year because they can't get medical care in the richest nation in the world is closer to 2 million I'd say.I've bounced said figures off of my private students and NONE of them disagree.

Obama is doing a bang-up job, and Americans from all levels of society should get down on their knees,examine the green shoots of recovery that are just sprouting up all over and praise him, especially for what he has done to improve America's standing in the world.But hey, when your predecesser is a guy like bush, the worst president of all-time, up is the only direction you can go.

I really like how Obama stoled the repubs fire AND quieted his ignorant critics in the medical profession the other day when he exposed the well-known scam of many doctors,amputating the feet of diabetics so they can pocket the 50,000 dollar fee.When I think about it now I am shocked at how many one-legged Americans or you see at airports in Detroit or Chicago.They are everywhere! Now, THAT is evil.

Anyways, we all know palin is finished.She was the worst governor ever of all time and IF shes lives on in the pubic eye will it will only be as a source of material for comedians.I am so tired of her interfering.Get out of my head, caribou Barbie!
Sarge at 05:20 PM JST - 15th August

"palin ( Palin ) has not lied"

"I'm pointing as I laugh at the ridiculousness of that monumentally ignorant statement"

I'm laughing as I wait for the proof that she lied, knowing there isn't any.
Sarge at 05:21 PM JST - 15th August

"she was the worst governor of all time"

That nust be why she was one of the most, if not the most popular governor of all time.
Taka313 at 10:51 PM JST - 15th August

I'll see your hope for me and raise you "EVERY AMERICAN" sarge.

And, I hope the health care you get, partially funded by the Japanese taxpayers works out for you as well.

Maybe then you'll see the merit in it.

Lastly, it's too bad you couldn't have been there in Alaska to tell us what sarah palin was REALLY talking about when she went around "making stuff up." That could have saved us all a lot of hassle.

And I'll tell you what, I'll tell you why this infuriates me so much. I work in the health care industry. Last weekend as the wife and kids did some shopping, I went to one of these debates. Unlike most, it was pretty civil. Afterward, I watched as a butt-ton of good, but misguided people filed out of the theater, and immediately lit up a smoke.

These people will get no help from their private insurance companies when their teeth start to rot and they develop cancer. Pre-existing condition is a term I have watched far too many come to grips with. As is, prescription rationing and people trying to perform surgeries on themselves. No sh*t. There are people cutting themselves open to deal with major abscesses and cysts and they are practically begging for MRSA.

Most of these same people were 200+ pounds and under 6 foot. Do you think the insurance companies are going to be there for them? I don't. Yet they scream against and denounce the only hope they have for a healthy life for themselves and more importantly, their children (apparently Obama is also trying to give a lot of children autism by forcing them to get vaccinated). There's some real "evil" for you. The nutters spreading this crap.

Can you not see how that wouldn't enrage me? These are my country men and more importantly, human beings. Their children are our tomorrow and the insurance companies are playing with that future. For me, I had to take a stand. The line is drawn in the sand. Come at me with nonsense, I'm going to beat you over the head with reality.

Taka
Nessie at 11:56 PM JST - 15th August

This sends shivers down liberals' backs.

Palin as candidate in the next election? Yes, shivers of eager anticipation at her unelectability.

Socialism. The army is socialized. Is she dissing the troops again? She's gotta cut that out.
Sarge at 07:35 AM JST - 16th August

"shivers of eager anticipation at her unelectability"

No, shivers of fear at her ability to whup Obama.

"The army is socialized"

The Army is paid for by the taxpayers. You see, our Constitution says

"provide for the common defense"

and

"promote the general welfare"

Not provide for the general welfare. There's a difference. Sarah Palin knows the difference. Obama doesn't.