Pentagon to order 30,000 troops to Iraq in early 2009

Saturday 28th June, 07:01 AM JST

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SushiSake3 at 12:26 AM JST - 29th June

Adding 30,000 more troops directly after withdrawing **the same number of troops **is bad enough as it is and clearly shows things aren't really improving (otherwise why not implement a REAL drawdown??).

It's all just rearranging chairs on the Titanic but you still can't see it.
Sarge at 05:10 AM JST - 29th June

Sushi - "Iraq barely matters anymore"

Then why do you keep whining about it?
DXXJP at 06:15 AM JST - 29th June

Sarge why do you champion this war yet duck and hide in japan. When are you going to directly get involved in this failure you so proudly support tic tic ticking on your keyboard from japan.

Are your tax dollars helping the war? Are you giving to the rebuilding of Iraq?

Sarge they need another 30,000 are you going to lace up your boots and deploy or are you going to get a new book of quotes to tic tic tic away at your keyboard in support.

All you drum beaters make quaint little posts yet you wont suit up, if you feel so strong about it join the fight dont hide in japan.

Saddam had better convictions then all the right wiggers here.
SezWho2 at 08:10 AM JST - 29th June

SushiSake3,

Thanks for the numbers on the death benefits. I'm just wondering, though, how that relates to my post. I'm not saying it doesn't. I just don't see the connection.
SezWho2 at 08:20 AM JST - 29th June

Sarge,

I think that SushiSake3 is not saying that we cannot achieve successful military results in Iraq. I think what he is saying is that any victory we achieve will be a Pyrrhic one.

The US is obviously a great country with vast resources. However, those resources are not inexhaustible--whether measured in dollars, lives, the willingness to prosecute foreign wars, or the good will of other countries who might pick up the slack for us.

I think it is true that we have already lost significant stores of all the above. The question is whether there is a way to replenish them. McCain pressing on to victory and overseeing a flowering of democracy in the Middle East does not appear to me to be the most likely scenario for regaining what we have lost.
SushiSake3 at 11:18 AM JST - 29th June

Sez, I was posting those death benefit numbers in repoy to SkipTheSong's posts.
SushiSake3 at 11:21 AM JST - 29th June

Sex - " I think what [SushiSake3] is saying is that any victory we achieve will be a Pyrrhic one."

Precisely.

"I think it is true that we have already lost significant stores of all the above. The question is whether there is a way to replenish them. McCain pressing on to victory and overseeing a flowering of democracy in the Middle East does not appear to me to be the most likely scenario for regaining what we have lost."

Bang on the mark.

Bush and McCain and co. are supposed to represent Americans.

With their strategy in Iraq, they are doing a far better job at representing Iraqis.

Obama - on the other hand - actually does want to represent Americans.

That is a big difference.
Sarge at 11:31 AM JST - 29th June

DXXJP - "Sarge they need another 30,000 are you going to lace up your boots and deploy"

Since this question remains I guess I'll answer it once more. Nah, they won't let me re-enlist - too old.
RedMeatKoolAid at 11:39 AM JST - 29th June

Obama's move to the center won't be limited to his position on guns. It will also include a significant modification of his 'position' on Iraq. And it'll be easy for him to change because it is little more than statements he puts up on his website.
SushiSake3 at 11:45 AM JST - 29th June

RedMeat - "And it'll be easy for him to change because it is little more than statements he puts up on his website."

Heh, hilarious to see you've actually successfully convinced yourself that that is true.

Delusion wins once again - congratulations! :-)
adaydream at 01:48 PM JST - 29th June

BRING THE TROOPS HOME!!!!!!!!!!! < :-)
SezWho2 at 03:24 PM JST - 29th June

RedMeatKoolAid,

What that means, of course, is that he was never as far from center as he was portrayed.
RedMeatKoolAid at 04:51 PM JST - 29th June

"What that means, of course, is that he was never as far from center as he was portrayed."

Anyone who thinks the MSM portrays Obama as being far from the center doesn't get their news from American sources.
SezWho2 at 05:31 PM JST - 29th June

Anyone who thinks the message board trolls portray Obama as being an out and out "leftist" either believe what they are typing or haven't been paying attention.
niku at 07:57 PM JST - 3rd July

Things are going well. So heres another 30,000 to cook and clean and entertain you. They're not here to fight a losing battle like the rest of you. Oh, did you hear? Oil prices have been going up since 2004??