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Police arrest over 160 in weekend London riots

World Aug. 08, 2011 - 05:45PM JST ( 28 )

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MadvertsAug. 08, 2011 - 07:31PM JST

Copycat?

And there was me being told this was the fault of the middle class and Daily Mail readers by the demented PC crowd - rather than the criminal oppertunism that anyone capable of of cognitive thought can determine. Send in the tanks, shoot to kill. If we can do it in Iraq why not at home?
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steve@CPFCAug. 08, 2011 - 07:35PM JST

Madverts; Shoot to kill! You stated yesterday that my PC views as you call them are likely to bring in ane xtreme right government. "Shoot to kill", how extreme is that?

These copycat events took place during the riots of the 70's and 80's. Killing the rtoters was not needed then or now.
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anglootakuAug. 08, 2011 - 08:05PM JST

Police can be corrupt at times, not all but some
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ExportExpertAug. 08, 2011 - 09:46PM JST

The guy who got shot was an armed criminal drug dealing gang member who fired at the police, he rightly got shot.

These rioters are totally out of line going off becuase a low life got shot by the police.
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nandakandamandaAug. 08, 2011 - 10:19PM JST

The Times suggests that although he was carrying a model gun, he did not actually fire. The two shots fired, including the one that hit the cop's mobile were both from police guns. The guy was all of what ExportExpert says, but it sounds like one police marksman may have pulled the trigger too soon.

The riots seem to have been set off by opportunistic anarchist groups, with a stupid criminal element joining the wanton destruction.
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MadvertsAug. 08, 2011 - 10:24PM JST

"You stated yesterday that my PC views as you call them are likely to bring in ane xtreme right government. "Shoot to kill", how extreme is that?"

No more extreme than shooting at police, or driving a car in an attelpted murder of police arresting rioters, or willful burning of other people's property or looting.....fight fire with fire I say. The left's"soluition" of giving in to these people and blaming the middle class has just worked out dandy has it not?

"These copycat events took place during the riots of the 70's and 80's."

Oh gee, that reassures me. We should just sing kumbaya, up the payments of bennies and hope by putting the lid back on the dustbin the problems will go away whilst they continue to outbreed us.
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MadvertsAug. 08, 2011 - 10:28PM JST

"The guy who got shot was an armed criminal drug dealing gang member who fired at the police, he rightly got shot."

I'm prepared to believe that the police were heavy-handed, certainly as initial reports claimed the victim was not known to police if this were the case. I'd like to hear the full story from the police as to why he was under heavy surveillance with armed officers....

....only then will I join steve@cpfc and start looting sneaker shops, opticians, mobile phone shops and burning police cars and buses to show those Daily Mail readers how much they made me screw up my life!
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steve@CPFCAug. 08, 2011 - 10:36PM JST

Madverts; Please retract the comment about me looting it is false as you know. You are obviously not even British as you would know we do not have sneaker shops in the UK. I grew up in London and lived there most of my adult life, think i know what is going on there more than a foreign chap whos info is through media outlets.

Thankfully the police are not under orders to start culling the criminal element and underclass of Britain. This would of course lead to civil war. Only a madman would consider such a dangerous plan.
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MadvertsAug. 08, 2011 - 10:52PM JST

"Please retract the comment about me looting it is false as you know."

Sir, I retract nothing. If you can't take sarcasm you really shouldn't be posting here!

If you wish to lay the blame at the feet of people other than the rioters as you've clearly shown to do, then you deserve scathing critisism.

"You are obviously not even British as you would know we do not have sneaker shops in the UK"

I'm as British as Yorkshire Pud. If you're a real Londoner then you'd know your poor, deprived rioters do not speak English, not even cockney like the old days. It's a whole new lingo loosely mixed with Jamaican and American.

"I grew up in London and lived there most of my adult life, think i know what is going on there more than a foreign chap whos info is through media outlets."

Heh, this is your argument? I rest my case.
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just-a-guyAug. 08, 2011 - 11:29PM JST

Send tanks to suppress the mobs otherwise London will doomed like Egypt!
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MadvertsAug. 09, 2011 - 12:17AM JST

"you must have a screw loose"

I've given the reasons and backed them up. Like I said, your argument, now that you've been told I am actually British, is that I've "got a screw loose."

One word of advice steve - you may believe in their "rights" but they don't give a damn as we've seen - don't sing Kumbaya to close the flames mate, keep your distance.
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888naffAug. 09, 2011 - 03:36AM JST

london a lovely place. we educate our kids well. welcome in 2012
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MadvertsAug. 09, 2011 - 04:33AM JST

Why is it all you liberal bleeding-heart types have to get all dramatic when you're flailing anyway? I'm not advocating slaughtering the non-working class. I'm demanding they be put to work, and be coerced into breeding properly.

I have said the army should be sent in to deal with those rioting, looting and putting the public and publics servants lives' in danger. And I'll repeat, with orders to shoot to kill. Most gang members are better armed than london bobbies anyway.
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steve@CPFCAug. 09, 2011 - 05:07AM JST

Madverts; Sorry, but you endorsed shoot to kill earlier. I hav e no argument just knowledge of the types of area this is happening. My home town Croydon now has trouble with buildings on fire in the West Croydon area. this has happenie befoe in 1980 and 1982. We can look at this rationally and find ways to catch tose responsible, stop the trouble or we can rant and rave like a child.

Your demands will of course not be met, i doubt you even have to vote in the UK. Here is a bit of educaction for you. The rioters are mostly kids getting excited by tweets and Blackberry Messages and copying what happended in Tottenham. They are not gang members, they are not runner around with guns, it is not LA. here is crime that must be dealt with and criminals punished. Blaming a whole section of society and valling them breeders which is the sort of talk one expectsto hear from soem facist regime is wrong..

Don't know why anyone would think i am a liberal bleeding heart type.
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MadvertsAug. 09, 2011 - 05:20AM JST

I know the sackless wonders that run Britain won't order what your poor deprived looters deserve. More the shame, a bigger stick is all these scum understand.
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888naffAug. 09, 2011 - 05:32AM JST

Steve@CPFC will be familiar with how grimy and grotty and the uk is after a stretch in Japan and how full of rude unsophisticated people it is which the locals put up with day after day. Sometimes a forgotten surprise. Well this is just the extreme example of that. Will be a nice surprise for all those visitors to the British games ah heh I mean the Olympics next year. Lots of talk of sending the army in back in the uk.
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888naffAug. 09, 2011 - 05:43AM JST

Steve: " The rioters are mostly kids getting excited by tweets and Blackberry Messages and copying what happended in Tottenham"

what joke and how out of touch you are!

certainly if you follow the uk news you would know that. No no talk gangs and gun by london local right right now, no none at all. kids..you mean children?

yeah you are an education..not!
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TriumvereAug. 09, 2011 - 06:07AM JST

Interestingly, the "rioters" and "looters" seem to be distincly seperate factions;

The guys burning police cars are angry young men. The guys looting shops and hauling away TVs are considerably older. They appear to have taken the crumbling of police control as an opportunity for profit.
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steve@CPFCAug. 09, 2011 - 06:07AM JST

Madverts; It is typical of human nature for those frustrated with their one lives to scapegoat others peferbale those who are poor, badly educated and have had less chances in life than themselves.

888naff; Every post you have ever made regarding Britain is negative ther is in fact no talk of sending the army in. The rioters are mostly teens, there are no "gangsters " with guns. I do follow the news, i am from LOndon. I am one of the working class scum that you and others here despise. Kids are under 18 BTW. I am watching Sky News now and would estimate the average age as 16-17.

These are not big time criminals with guns like some here say. Out of touch moi!!Nah, this is happening in my hometown. i know the area and people well/
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888naffAug. 09, 2011 - 06:24AM JST

" i know the area and people well/"

obviously not well enough as you do not speak for all
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MadvertsAug. 09, 2011 - 06:39AM JST

Rioting and certainly looting now not contained to London. The lawlesness has now spread to Birmingham.

Bush I called in the National Guard to quell the Rodney King riots. And that was an innocent "Dual Heritage" (like that steve?) bloke's plight that really got people's back up, quite different to the facts emerging here.

I don't have a problem with these looters being shot, and any subsequent survivors being shot again. This lawlessness is out of control and outrageous.

Daily Mail readers be damned. PCness has brought Britain to the brink.
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888naffAug. 09, 2011 - 06:42AM JST

just kids, only kids, obviously, unquestionably your all stupid and not this and that nationality if you think otherwise ;-)

yeah no talk of the army or gun crime at all by the locals or news sources too either...

...Of those arrested so far - for whom dates of birth have been provided - two were born in the 1960s, six in the 1970s, 49 in the 1980s and 98 in the 1990s.
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steve@CPFCAug. 09, 2011 - 06:43AM JST

888naff; One of the main areas now having riots and arson is Croydon where i was born, where i spent most of my life and where most of my family live. Now, i may be in many peoples eyes on JT an uneducated working class breeder. There is no condoning these acts, if you see the mentality that nobody stops the desperation. Unless you look and try to find answers you will never see.

We have one here calling working class as breeders that should be shot on sight and another who revels in Britains problems. You were luckly not to be born to bad parenst and poverty, Some will never learn taht includes the rioters and those who blame all of the underclass.
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MadvertsAug. 09, 2011 - 07:18AM JST

What working class are you talking about? They gave up working three generations ago. Everyone else goes to work.

Either you're well into your pension or you truly have no idea what is happening in two of the UK's largest cities. The Americans should be called in, the government clearly have not control as London burns.
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supercross1985Aug. 09, 2011 - 08:56AM JST

Trouble breaking out in Liverpool now,copycat troublemakers it seems.
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hatsoffAug. 09, 2011 - 03:15PM JST

Steve, I'll defend you on the working class bit. I wouldn't call them the working class, they are the underclass. But I do think you are out of touch. The approach you advocate has been proven not to work. How long can people keep apologizing for them? These people are scum, pure and simple. Would you choose to live next to them? Be honest, because I know what these people are like too.

Ask yourself these questions: would you be happy to let a child go down to the Whitgift Centre by him/herself on a Saturday night? Would you let a daughter walk through Mitcham at night? Across Streatham Common?

Yes, let's help those genuinely in need through the welfare state, but when a society has given these scum free houses, free healthcare, free money and free education - and gets nothing back except chav attitudes - then it's time to try a new approach. And as Madverts said, they will outbreed us.

They have a cancerous attitude and are nothing but a blight on the honest, decent working class. They are scum and they will pass their attitudes on to the next generation if nothing drastic is done. Tough love, and better for society as a whole.
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steve@CPFCAug. 09, 2011 - 03:34PM JST

hatsoff;When i was little my family would probably be called on of the scum that spreads like a cancer and should be culled. My father left school at 14 and worked on loads of jobs to get out of poverty, he was the youngest of 13 kids. He had no qualifications but in his late 20's past the Met police exams and training at Hendon and became an officer for over 20 years. Why do i mention this? Well, people in his situation can never do as he did, you need at least A levels these days to join the police. Considerations are not made as to peoples background and lack of chances and the chances for the "underclass" grow less by the year as they are shunned by society.

Problem is they are called a "cancer", "scum" . they have ears and eyes they hear and see this and they act that way because they know waht society thinks of them. I could have ended like them and i almost did at one part when things went wrong for me as this culture and environment was almost all i knew. A lot of people need help with issues such as very low self esteem. The hardest thing to do is get out of the gutter on your own and some are liek this. Of course many cannot be helped and are just nasty and lazy.

I would let younger members walk around London in the evening, they aren't daft and are given independence. I don't mean pre teens of course.
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hatsoffAug. 09, 2011 - 10:52PM JST

No, Steve. People like your father are diamonds: honest, decent working class. I've got a lot of time for people like that. Back in the old days, Britain was more class conscious and society was less mobile. Our modern society has enabled people like John Major to became Prime Minister (didn't go to university, educated himself through correspondence courses) and people like John Prescott to achieve government office (former ship's steward).

Your heart is in the right place, I recognize that, but you really have to stop making excuses for these scum. The game has changed, and they're the ones who changed the rules. Ask inner city secondary school teachers what these people are like. They slog their guts out every day and get a load of abuse as their reward, while the ones who do want to learn can't get ahead because of the disruption. We provide free education for these low life, and the path to A levels is very simple: just apply yourself. Or there is technical college. The truth of the matter is they're not interested. Remember the Vietnamese boat people and the refugees from Uganda? Why did they outperform these kinds of people in schools when they arrived with nothing in their pockets. It's not about poverty; it's about attitude.

I'm sure you look up to your father. If not, you should. I'm not being patronising when I say he sounds like a hero. Whereas a chav's hero is someone who goes happy slapping twice a week or carries a knife and is willing to use it. The violence in Britain today is so casual it's not funny. I agree that one of the hardest things to do is get out of the gutter on your own, but what you are describing is someone who does want to get out of the gutter. I couldn't imagine a better way for my tax money to be spent than on someone who has aspirations to better himself or his family. It benefits society as a whole. But this isn't a description the scum who are rioting. These scum are the people who are " just nasty." They are the underclass, not working class. They put themselves there by choice.

Remember that old slogan, A hand up not a handout? Well we tried to give them a hand up but all we got was the finger in return. They don't deserve our sympathy.