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Pressure rising on China to react to ship sinking

World May. 30, 2010 - 03:00AM JST ( 15 )

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sensei258May. 30, 2010 - 07:34AM JST

“These anti-North Korean confrontations (like their ship blowing up when we fired a torpedo at it) are an open declaration of war (which we started with sinking an unsuspecting SK naval vessel) against us and an extraordinarily criminal act (the one WE committed) that pushes inter-Korean relations into a state of war (one we're responsible for),” North Korean Maj. Gen. Pak Rim Su said Friday. What a load of bull!
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apecNetworksMay. 30, 2010 - 09:59AM JST

Sec. Clinton would have major influence w/ the PRC since she and her husband really helped them in becoming a major military power in the 1990's.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/ois/cases/chinagate-loral/loral012500a.htm

This affected the balance of power in the Asia Pacific big time.
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MistWizardMay. 30, 2010 - 11:12AM JST

Since I have not reacted to the accusations I cannot blame China for not doing so. There just is not enough to choose a side in this. Its not enough to simply want it to be a planned intentional act of the government of NK, and I think that is the way about half of the people on this site are thinking.
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MistWizardMay. 30, 2010 - 11:32AM JST

The wiki on this has some fascinating details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROKSCheonansinking

The island near where this happened is SK's, but right up NK's nose, far closer to the NK mainland than the SK mainland, but despite that the sub would have had to travel to the FAR side of the island to this.

And the wiki also clearly states that a joint exercise was going on there:

The Hankyoreh newspaper and other sources have questioned how an anti-submarine corvette such as the Cheonan in the middle of a joint South Korean-U.S. naval exercise could have failed to detect an attacking submarine or at least its torpedo

The disaster took place precisely in the waters where what the Pentagon has called "one of the world's largest simulated exercises" was underway. This war exercise, known as "Key Resolve/Foal Eagle" was launched on March 8 and was slated to continue until April 30.

So, during a large simulated exercise, a ship conducting anti-submarine activities got hit with a torpedo but detected no sub and did not detect the torpedo either? (remember, what ever is said now, the initial investigation was focused on an internal explosion, something that would not have been done if a torpedo had been detected.) The official story is full of holes.
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mikehuntezMay. 30, 2010 - 11:41AM JST

China can't condemn it's little pit bull just like that. It's got to keep it on a leash and slap it on the nose with a newspaper in private. It's little pit bull is a necessary distraction to the US and her allies in the event that China ever has to take on Taiwan and her ally, the US. In this event the NK pit bull will be a great distraction to the opposing side when it sicks it on them in South Korea. How else could China gain leverage in the Taiwan grab? So no China won't do much about it and is probably secretly happy that the North is still sometimes getting off it's leash and nipping at the possible opposing side indirectly. It's a pawn being used to act as a buffer that's all.
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paulinusaMay. 30, 2010 - 11:44AM JST

MistWizard:Your logic is full of holes.
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SuperLibMay. 30, 2010 - 11:58AM JST

MistWizard: a ship conducting anti-submarine activities got hit with a torpedo but detected no sub and did not detect the torpedo either?

You'd think if South Korea were going to create an incident to blame on North Korea, they would have done a better job of it, ne?

The ship sinking shouldn't be looked at as an isolated event. The fact is that North Korea's actions over the past few decades has created this crisis. Even if you're not sold on the story as it's been told....does it really matter? It's just one more thing added to the long list. Remove it from the list and you've still got a lot of blood to account for. North Korea has kept the tension so high that any kind of loss on the South Korea side is instantly going to put North Korea in the crosshairs....and it's their own damn fault.
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biculturalMay. 30, 2010 - 12:09PM JST

Not gonna happen.
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rajakumarMay. 30, 2010 - 01:13PM JST

China made north korea ,via its support for north korea in 1950s. Now this 2010 ship incident has nothing to do with China. This is a koreas woes. Many sea battles have occured in past between Koreas. The Koreas and the koreans must unite via common language.

They should not be so crazy over divide and rule ways. The Globalised world is about less divide and rule. The globalised way, is about unity in transportation wealth,food wealth,housing wealth,clothing wealth and all other forms of wealth. It is time for Koreas to change their obsolete ways of divide and rule,which puts the Koreas in less abundance.
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MistWizardMay. 30, 2010 - 08:01PM JST

paulinusa: Your short post is useless.
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MistWizardMay. 30, 2010 - 08:05PM JST

SuperLib said: You'd think if South Korea were going to create an incident to blame on North Korea, they would have done a better job of it, ne?

Dude, you can't sink a ship full of people on the take. They have to be patsies. Its a given. Either way, they saw nothing. The wiki says they shot at what they thought was a fleeing ship. Later they decided it was a flock of birds! And that is the tip of the iceberg for oddities.

Even if you're not sold on the story as it's been told....does it really matter?

Yes, it matters. This is something more than just a rise in tensions.

And you got to be drunk to think NK is the only one contributing to rising tensions! Dang! If NK decided to have Chinese bases in NK, you would point out how NK is raising tensions. You think American bases in SK as well as joint exercises don't create tensions in NK?? Oh, I know. How the South creates tensions is for a good purpose in your book, so they don't count! I think walking a mile in another person's shoes is something you simply don't do.

Consider how tensions would go down if SK handed that island to NK. By keeping it they are in NK's face. You think that helps matters?
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SuperLibMay. 30, 2010 - 11:08PM JST

And you got to be drunk to think NK is the only one contributing to rising tensions!

I was so drunk that I missed North Korea's Sunshine Policy.
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MistWizardMay. 30, 2010 - 11:47PM JST

Here is a picture of the proof: http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflowsite/storage/images/media/images/0520-oevidence-south-korea-ship/7927834-1-eng-US/0520-OEVIDENCE-South-Korea-Shipfull_600.jpg

That is quite a shiny propeller! One would think it would be a little more bent up? Supposedly this thing sank a corvette without even making contact, that is how big the explosion was. A corvette is pretty big.
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SuperLibMay. 31, 2010 - 12:44AM JST

Well I guess the guys who planted it there never thought anyone would be asking that question. Score one for you.
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apecNetworksMay. 31, 2010 - 04:08AM JST

That may be why they needed an impressive investigation team, b/c the story sucks.