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Specter loses in Pennsylvania, Paul wins in Ky primaries

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    SushiSake3

    Great to see Rand Paul notch up a win for the tea partiers against Senate Republican leader McConnell's pick, Trey Grayson. Now that the tea party is also pecking away at GOP support, it looks like The Party of No is going to be crushed on one side by the Dems, and on the other side by the tea partiers.

    'We're hated on all sides' could be the GOP's new campaign slogan. Up until now, the only thing the GOP had going for it was how many exclamation marks they used after the word 'No.'

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    SushiSake3

    Too funny. The pick of the Republican Senate Minority Leader goes down in flames against someone from the Tea Party movement. The what?? The GOP knows how to fail real good. :-)

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    sf2k

    I wonder. With such a low voter turn out, the death of the GOP might be a good idea now in order to turn from a party of anger and screed into one of merit and ideas.

    Nationally for a few elections then the Democrats would hold, until the Tea Party can merge with the GOP into something considered rational policies.

    I wonder how China will react on American's not paying their bills?

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    manfromamerica

    Nationally for a few elections then the Democrats would hold,

    Oh the Dem seats are not safe. Scott Brown showed that.

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    manfromamerica

    sushisake, you really are a party-line guy. Whatever the Dems say is fine for you.

    At least I am happy that you finally realize the Tea Party is a genuine grassroots organization.

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    SushiSake3

    manfromamerica, I'm all for the tea party movement, especially if our Sarah joins it. Then we'll see a cataclysmic split of the conservative vote and the Dems will remain in power for a long time yet. Someone needs to tell GOP HQ that anger, rage and hatred aren't policy planks that can be discussed rationally at a national level. The GOP needs more than that. Perhaps 'bitterness'? Nope, they already got that. :-)

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    timorborder

    Let the circus begin. Although I am not an American, I do find the US political system rather intriguing, both for its complexity and the old style pork barreling that seems to occur on such a massive scale.

    With regard to these different Senate races, the one that interests me most is up in Connecticut. Reading through the NY Times yesterday, I thought that the article on the Democratic Party contender and his playing loose with the truth vis-a-vis his service record was a fine bit of journalism. The journalists who wrote it seemed to line up all their ducks rather well and then shoot them down accordingly. Indeed, reading such finely-crafted articles makes me lament the passing of old-style solid news reporting.

    At the same time, however, the GOP candidate for the same senate seat is one Linda McMahon, the wife of Vincent McMahon, as in World Wrestling Entertainment. Call me cynical, but am I the only one who sees the irony in Mrs. McMahon (who in the past has been an on-screen character for the WWE) positioning herself as a family values candidate? Admittedly, WWE programming has become more family-friendly in recent years, straying away somewhat from issues such as necrophilia, incest, racial stereotyping, etc., however, what is portrayed on TV is still somewhat difficult to swallow. Moreover, the whole pro-wrestling business still has not addressed the steroids issue sufficiently (with certain promoters having previously been involved in court cases regarding such matters). Moreover, apparently Mrs. McMahon supports offshore oil wells, well at least she did last month based on a post-out that she sent to voters. Considering the events in the Gulf of Mexico, perhaps she is now back-peddling on this issue.

    So to sum it all up, the good people of Connecticut could be faced with a serious quandary. Should they vote for a candidate who has played it very loose with his military record, or should the vote for a candidate who made their wealth in the pro-wrestling business?

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    manfromamerica

    Then we'll see a cataclysmic split of the conservative vote and the Dems will remain in power for a long time yet.

    Once again: Scott Brown. Reid and many others will also be leaving soon.

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    Sarge

    Specter loses in his first election as a Democrat, ha ha!

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    manfromamerica

    Sarge, your GOP is losing as well. :-)

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    Sarge

    Man-O - The GOP's not my party - I'm a conservative. I'm happy with the primary results.

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    manfromamerica

    sarge - good, because specter should have lost whether he ran as a Dem or a Republican. On the GOP side, goodbye McCain, Crist, and many more!

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    SuperLib

    So the Tea Party is running under the Republican banner?

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    sabiwabi

    I'm delighted to see Mr. Magic Bullet lose.

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    Molenir

    Great to see Rand Paul notch up a win for the tea partiers against Senate Republican leader McConnell's pick, Trey Grayson. Now that the tea party is also pecking away at GOP support, it looks like The Party of No is going to be crushed on one side by the Dems, and on the other side by the tea partiers.

    Sushi, I have to say I find you to be just hysterically funny at times. Truly. Like many others here, you are totally a party line guy. It doesn't matter what the Dems do, or propose, you will almost never criticize them, and always support them. If they say like Obama did, Drill for Oil, essentially co-opting the Republican position, you either come out with reasons for it, or are quiet on the issue rather then criticize your beloved masters.

    Yet despite all this, whats so amusing is how deeply you've buried your head in the sand. You and so many other libs. Dems are in deep trouble this year. At this point its increasingly doubtful they'll be able to hold onto the House, and this year, despite a huge majority, and elections in traditional Dem seats, even the Senate is in play. But despite what you seem to want, its not just the Dems, its anyone who supports Obama's agenda. Anyone who supports the big-government meme you and so many others have been pushing, where big-gov takes care of you and looks after you, from cradle to grave. And even those Republicans who seem to occasionally support the more liberal positions, like Bob Bennet and 'Amnesty' McCain are in trouble.

    The Dems have 1 bright spot tonight though. They managed to hold onto Murthas seat. Admittedly the seat has a 2-1 registration advantage for Dems, and he only won by 3 points in this extremely Democratically controlled district. But a win is a win. Oh, though you also have to mention, that he only won by promising to have nothing to do with either Obama or Pelosi. Since it was a special election, he'll have to face the same guy in November, the question is, will he have successfully managed to make himself appear to be conservative enough, or will he have been discovered as the little lap dog so many of us expect him to be.

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    ca1ic0cat

    What is notable here is that, with the exception of Johnstown, PA, the status quo is being upset. Doesn't matter if they are democrats or republicans, the incumbents are in trouble. Going to be interesting to watch.

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    Molenir

    What is notable here is that, with the exception of Johnstown, PA, the status quo is being upset. Doesn't matter if they are democrats or republicans, the incumbents are in trouble. Going to be interesting to watch.

    Despite how Dems are spinning this, its not an anti incumbent issue. Its an anti-Obama issue. Anti-Big Government. Thats what the Tea Party is all about. Thats the message being sent. Its not whether or not you are an incumbent, its whether you are a big government type. Be it Republican or Democrat. If you're a Republican, you damn sure better not be a RINO, if you're a Dem, you'd better try to cast yourself as a conservative, and do everything you can to distance yourself from the Obama/Pelosi Agenda. Thats what saved Murthas seat.

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    SushiSake3

    Molenr - "Dems are in deep trouble this year."

    Funny thing is, the GOP is in even bigger trouble. That's the bit you missed, and part of the beauty of the whole situation.

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    Taka313

    The Kentucky primary was very interesting. The choice was between utter failure and spectacularly crazy.

    Credit where credit is due. One thing Grayson said that was really true was that Rand Paul never talks about Kentucky. He only parrots his father's presidential campaign.

    All politics is local. Rand Paul is going to find that out soon enough, I suspect.

    Taka

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    Molenir

    Funny thing is, the GOP is in even bigger trouble. That's the bit you missed, and part of the beauty of the whole situation.

    Please, explain how? Anyone who supports Big Gov, be they Dem or Republican is in trouble. Anyone not supporting it, standing strong against it, is not really having a problem. Theres a reason why everything points to Republicans picking up at least 20 seats in the house, and why many people are predicting they will actually regain control in November. Why some even suspect they might manage to regain control of the Senate.

    All politics is local. Rand Paul is going to find that out soon enough, I suspect.

    And yet, I strongly suspect, that despite everything the Dem candidate can do to distance himself from Obama, he is going to end up being seen as just another lackey of this incompetent regime. Paul, unless he does something phenomenally stupid, is going to be the next Senator from the state of Kentucky.

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    Taka313

    By the way, both of the aforementioned candidates were Democratic candidates. Did want to just leave that assumption hanging.

    Taka

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    Taka313

    Molenir,

    I'll bet you a mint julep on that one. Did you REALLY look at the Kentucky primary?

    Danny Mongiardo got more votes than Rand Paul did. And Mongiardo lost to Jack Conway!

    So yeah, not so much with that big victory here in Kentucky when you let those pesky facts get involved.

    Sorry to rain on your parade.

    Taka

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    hokkaidogirl

    Glad to see Spector gone! I've never liked his politics. No matter which side of the line he was on.

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    goodDonkey

    I liked Sen Arlen Specter even as a Republican. I think he is a good guy.

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    Molenir

    Danny Mongiardo got more votes than Rand Paul did. And Mongiardo lost to Jack Conway!

    Means nothing in the primary. The way things are trending, its going to be a strong list to the right. Sestak is likely to lose in Pennsylvania, and Paul will almost certainly be winning Kentucky. Lincoln is going to have a run-off, and even if she wins, she will have a real hard time holding off Boozeman. With the presumed Dem candidate in Conn, now in real trouble as well. Republicans are going to be picking up quite a few seats in the Senate, and even the best predictions of the Dems have them merely losing 20 seats in the house.

    Glad to see Spector gone! I've never liked his politics. No matter which side of the line he was on.

    I'm glad to see Spectre gone as well. He always struck me as the worst kind of politician. Dishonest and corrupt. Willing to say or do anything in order to keep his job. I know its not completely true. I don't think he actually was corrupt for instance, it just seemed that way at times.

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    GJDailleult

    Political entertainment doesn't get much better than Stalinist ideological purges.

    This is going to be fun to watch, especially the train wreck at the end.

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    Molenir

    Political entertainment doesn't get much better than Stalinist ideological purges.

    Er, so we can expect people of both sides taken out and shot for non-existant reasons? I mean that is what, communism and the Stalinist purges were all about. Or did you mean that in the sense that those who don't fit the right ideology, are being removed from power, peacefully, via constitutional means?

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    manfromamerica

    Er, so we can expect people of both sides taken out and shot for non-existant reasons? I mean that is what, communism and the Stalinist purges were all about. Or did you mean that in the sense that those who don't fit the right ideology, are being removed from power, peacefully, via constitutional means?

    LOL!! Molenir, maybe he's talking about the Obama gang trying to silence any dissent about anything.

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    Taka313

    Molenir,

    You know, I like you. I'd have a beer with you. But sometimes, you stray from reality.

    There were 352,000 votes cast for a republican candidate and 520,000 for the Democrats. It's simple math.

    You can spin this how you like, but facts are facts.

    Taka

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    Molenir

    You know, I like you. I'd have a beer with you. But sometimes, you stray from reality.

    Heh, thanks. I suspect we'd have a great time arguing politics.

    There were 352,000 votes cast for a republican candidate and 520,000 for the Democrats. It's simple math.

    Let us compare this with the recent Brown/Coakley election shall we? In the primary there were 650k+ votes cast by Dems, and 160k votes by Republicans. Admittedly its a heavily Dem state, but even still, the numbers hold out. Yet despite all this, Brown defeated Coakley. Yes there were special circumstances. Voters were reacting against the Health Care Bill, however the difference is, the Dem candidate will be seen as being in support of it, and just another Obama lackey, Paul will be seen as a conservative opposing it. In a state as Republican leaning, and conservative as Kentucky, the race is already over. It would take turning back the clock to 2008 when Republicans, despite having no control over congress were being blamed for everything, to get a Dem into the Senate from Kentucky. Thats simply not going to happen.

    Now if Paul does something monumentally stupid, or if it comes out that he's been sleeping with everything from Girls, to Guys, to sheep, then sure, I could see him losing, but barring something extreme, Kentucky will not vote to put another Dem in the Senate.

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    Taka313

    Again, I'm willing to put a mint julep on it. What say you?

    Taka

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    Taka313

    Molenir,

    Using the Brown/Coakley election is a little disengenuous don't you think? Seriously, Coakley did everything in her power to break grandpa mccain's record for the worst political campaign of the last 25 years. That was the biggest factor in that election. Not HCR, as much as you would like to believe that's the case.

    Taka

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    Sarge

    "High unemployment"

    That's the new norm.

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    Sarge

    "lied about having served in Vietnam"

    Which is worse? Lying about having served in Vietnam, or lying about tax cuts for 95% of taxpayers and closing Gitmo?

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