Pro-Hitler graffiti found at Israel's Holocaust museum

As a general rule Mondays can be depressing, but sheesh -- this really takes the cake.

Do they have no cameras? I hope they catch these morons and teach them the true meaning of suffering. Thanking Hitler?? That doesn't bode well for any god.

Never heard of ultra-orthodox Jews being opposed to Israel before... new one on me.

As for the Global Cynical Mafia... as Farmboy says it sounds like a cartoon villain's organisation.

Virtuoso:

" this really takes the cake. "

Really? Why are you shocked? The graffiti represents the mainstream opinion across the entire islamic world, as well as the opinion of radical leftists in the West. That it also represents the opinion of unrepentent nazis is a given.

You are right it is sad, but surprising it is not.

WilliB@I didn't see the words "shocked" or "surprising" in my very succinct post. Nor did I say "sad." I said "depressing."

If the so called graffiti artists think that Hitler did the Jews a favour,with his insane acts of murder and cruel incarceration of his victims, perhaps they should consider the horrific perpertration of his crimes. I doubt the majority of Jews would agree to any part of the demented messages. The survivors of the holocaust would quickly reply that if the artists had even a small grain of their experiences under Nazi control, the messages displayed would be far different

The graffiti represents the mainstream opinion across the entire islamic world

You managed to drag the Muslims into this. What a surprise! But I am just not sure what opinions you are referring to or how you "think" you know the thoughts of so many people.

I thought it was pretty much commonly accepted that if Hitler and the Nazis had not existed, neither would Israel. Even the Israelis themselves know that. What is in question is the way that fact has been spun.

Revulsive.

I thought it was pretty much commonly accepted that if Hitler and the Nazis had not existed, neither would Israel.

valued@The first Zionist Congress was held in Basel in 1897. The Balfour Declaration, by which the British government agreed to the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, was issued in 1917, when Hitler was still an enlisted man in the Kaiser's army, wading through muddy trenches on the Western Front. So a ride on the "commonly accepted" bandwagon needs to disregard certain other historical matters that were slowly gathering momentum well before the rise of Nazism.

They do have a point. Im not siding with them.. and saying that the holocaust was anything but horrific, disgusting and most of all completely insane would be an understatement.

But i doubt its a pro-nazi, pro-hitler thing. It's clearly aimed at the israeli government and the zionist movement in israel. They just used hitler and the holocaust as a pre-text to create shock value in order for people to listen to them.

In saying that, people who would vandalises a war memorial really are the scum of the earth.

Thunderbird2: The Satmar Hasidim Orthodox group is the largest Orthodox sector worldwide and holds strong anti-Zionist views. The are not anti-Israel per se, but emphatically anti-Zionist. They maintain the belief that Jews are forbidden to have their own state until the coming of the Messiah.

The graffiti slogans reported to have been scrawled in the museum are consistent with the views of Orthodox Jewish anti-Zionism, ie, that there was collusion between early Zionists and Nazis to encourage the expulsion of Jews from Europe, thereby hastening Jewish relocation to Palestine. They also oppose Zionism because they view it as a secular movement, at odds with "Torah" or religious Judaism.

There are several other orthodox Jewish groups that hold similar anti-Zionist ideas. See also Neturei Karta.

thywillbedone Thanks for the explanation... I know very little about Jewish politics, factions and Zionists, so again, thanks.

This was written in Hebrew?? How many idiot Nazis even know their own native language let alone study Hebrew, a language that is only used in Israel and by Jews of European decent?? Not to jump to any ideas of who may have done this graffiti but my guess, as the article points out, these hard core ultra Orthodox Jews that still oppose Zionism, still think that making the state of Israel goes against the Torah etc...just my hunch.

Oh religion.....look what you have done.....yet again!

The global cynical mafia

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WilliB: "Really? Why are you shocked? The graffiti represents the mainstream opinion across the entire islamic world, as well as the opinion of radical leftists in the West. "

Unlike you, no one is blaming Islam for anything bad under the sun -- they suspect JEWS did this, and hence it is shocking. Did you not read the article before you bothered to drag Islam into your post?

@smithinjapan

I don't think he ever said that they were responsible for this act in particular but he raises a valid point. Hundreds of millions share this exact same opinion, even if not every single Muslim does. In Europe it's not hard to find all kinds of hateful anti-Jewish messages written by Muslim immigrants. In any case, that's not what this is about.

Regardless of whoever did this, it's a horrible tragic thing, and they should be ashamed at how little humanity they have.

No doubt this graffiti was the work of Orthodox Jewish anti-Zionists. It illustrates their contention and belief that before and during WW2, Zionist encouraged and accommodated European antisemitism as a way of forcing Jews out of Europe and into Palestine. The point is to say it is hypocritical for Zionists to outwardly lament the holocaust, while at the same time knowing that Zionist tacitly encouraged it, and Zionism as a movement benefited from it. Thus the sarcastic expressions of gratitude to Hitler in the graffiti.

Orthodox Jewish anti-Zionists meticulously maintain that Judaism and Zionism have nothing in common, and that Zionism created an unnecessary schism between Jews and the Arab world through the aggressive immigration into Palestine during and after WW2. Therefore, you can sometimes see the interesting and somewhat counter-intuitive sight of Orthodox Jews supporting the Palestinian political agenda, and holding Palestinian flags and banners at demonstration rallies.

These are not the view of the majority of Orthodox Jews of course, but of certain groups such as Satmar Hasidim, Neturei Karta, et al.

The Satmar Hasidim Orthodox group is the largest Orthodox sector worldwide and holds strong anti-Zionist views.

I believe you are mistaken. It is not the largest Orthodox sector worldwide. These groups comprise a small minority of the faith.

As you correctly mention here:

These are not the view of the majority of Orthodox Jews of course, but of certain groups such as Satmar Hasidim, Neturei Karta, et al.

These groups are way out of the mainsteam in more ways than one.

So a ride on the "commonly accepted" bandwagon needs to disregard certain other historical matters that were slowly gathering momentum well before the rise of Nazism.

Key word is slowly, Virtuoso. At the very least the Holocaust sped up the process greatly. But I think there is more than that. I seriously doubt Israel could have survived without the drive given the Jews by the Holocaust. The Holocaust galvanized them to the point they could win out, completely surrounded by enemies hell bent on destroying Israel. I seriously don't think they could have pulled it off if they left comfort in Europe to try to make Israel. Their experiences in hell was the single most important pillar in the ressurection of Israel after nearly 2000 years of meakly dreaming about it.

Ben Jack: Thanks for commenting on my comment. Certainly, I may be incorrect about Satmar Hasidim being the "largest" Orthodox sect, but it certainly is a large and famous one, and if there is (are) a larger one(s) , I would appreciate (sincerely) learning the name(s) and relative size, and their views on Zionism, which I assume would be positive.

It is not my intention to promote anti-Zionism by mentioning these sects, but merely to point out to another commenter that there is such a thing as an Orthodox Jew who is anti-Zionist, which a is surprising revelation to many people including some Jewish folks, who otherwise assume that all Jews, especially Orthodox ones, are pro-Zionism.

thywillbedone,

Thank you for commenting on my comment about your comment :) First, I believe there is confusion between orthodox and ultra-orthodox, which is what the groups you mentioned would fall under. These groups are way out of the mainstream even in ultra-orthodox circles. Chabad-Lubavitch is one of the largest, if not the largest sect of ultra-orthodox and they are quite pro-Israel. Of course, there are Jews that disagree with Israel's policies, etc. Being pro-Israeli policies or against is not something that is based on religion on an individual basis, IMO.

In this case, I would be surprised if it was an ultra-orthodox group, even one of those that is anti-Israel. Those groups are pretty upfront about their feelings and would not need to resort to this kind of action. Whoever it was, they are morons and should be made to sit in the museum for as long as necessary and reflect on their behaviour while looking at the images and listening to the accounts of suffering.

Being pro-Israeli policies or against is not something that is based on religion on an individual basis, IMO.

Actually, I should rephrase that. Of course, religion also plays a part, however I think it is not the only factor when individuals form their opinions.

i am inclined to think this is more of a copycat crime. i recall reading about a wave of anti-semitic anti-jewish anti-israel hate crimes across canada in 2010 (at some universities even). there will always be people who hate and envy jewish folks .

Ben Jack: Thanks for good discussion. 'appreciate your info, and views.