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Protestant church, Native American tribe reconcile

World Nov. 28, 2009 - 05:21AM JST ( 8 )

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30061015Nov. 28, 2009 - 10:22AM JST

“We consumed your resources, dehumanized your people and disregarded your culture, along with your dreams, hopes and great love for this land,”

...Dutch colonizers had built their fort near an Indian trail now called Broadway, near Wall Street.

And for our sins, we live in a depleted, dehumanized, dreamless, greedy land.
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MolenirNov. 29, 2009 - 03:25AM JST

An idiot says what...

“We consumed your resources, dehumanized your people and disregarded your culture, along with your dreams, hopes and great love for this land,” the Rev Robert Chase told descendants from both sides. “With pain, we the Collegiate Church, remember our part in these events.”

There we go. Apologies by people who are completely unrelated to anything that was done, are stupid. Would be like me apologizing to Europe for the invasion of Ghengis Khan. You have to be an idiot to even consider doing something like this.
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30061015Nov. 29, 2009 - 11:20AM JST

Molenir:

Genghis Khan

That was not in anyone's memory. Today, native peoples on reservations across America are struggling to reclaim their culture and language. They were slaughtered wholesale. Their way of life shattered. A noble and honorable people were disgraced, humiliated and treated like dogs. What we could have learned from them has been lost forever.

Apologies by people who are completely unrelated

How do you know they are unrelated? If an apology helps heal the scars left on generations of native people by a calculated genocide, how can you say these people are idiots? A little more awareness before you assail history.
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MolenirNov. 29, 2009 - 09:14PM JST

That was not in anyone's memory. Today, native peoples on reservations across America are struggling to reclaim their culture and language. They were slaughtered wholesale. Their way of life shattered. A noble and honorable people were disgraced, humiliated and treated like dogs. What we could have learned from them has been lost forever.

I'm sorry, but the reality is the same. The native peoples on reservations are not being oppressed. Far from it. They are opening casinos and shopping centers. The people who were oppressed etc are all long since dead, and so are the great, great grandchildren of those who drove them from their land. Aside from that, the "Noble Savage" you portray is a myth. The reality was far from the ideal. It was an ugly, dirty time, on both sides. Culture and heritage. While there is some merit to this, what you seem to be suggesting is nonsensical. The reality is, the people on the reservations don't want it. Thats why so many of them leave the Res, and why so many of them have long since assimilated into society.

A little more awareness before you assail history.

I could say the same thing about you. I'm no apologist for anyone, not my own ancestors, not the Indians who were there before. But I hate apologies made by those who have no connection to the crime, made to those whose only connection is that they had an ancestor living there 400 years ago. And I hate people who try to rewrite history to make it fit their preconceived notions of what it "ought" to be.
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30061015Nov. 29, 2009 - 09:59PM JST

have long since assimilated into society

My point exactly. Why should they have been forced to assimilate into our society in the first place? Their land and way of life was stolen. This is what the apology was all about.

"Noble Savage" you portray is a myth.

The Native American has lived in North America at least 13,000 years, perhaps longer. Americans, only 250 some years. You don't even know American history well enough to take such swipes at knowledge. The myth is is your own mind. What you seem to be suggesting is nonsensical.

I hate people

Thats pretty clear.
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victimcratNov. 29, 2009 - 11:10PM JST

Funny is it not how the left never denounces organized religion when its representatives capitulate to the PC tyrants and issue meaningless statements about seeking reconciliation.

Protestants don't speak for America.

All I am going to say.
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yabitsNov. 30, 2009 - 12:22AM JST

Funny is it not how the left never denounces organized religion when its representatives capitulate to the PC tyrants and issue meaningless statements about seeking reconciliation.

I believe that intelligent people of good will should denounce loony statements like the one above.

Protestants don't speak for America.

Nobody does, really.
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yabitsNov. 30, 2009 - 02:35AM JST

And I hate people who try to rewrite history to make it fit their preconceived notions of what it "ought" to be.

Nobody is "rewriting history" here.

In fact, you appear to be an advocate for the burial and denial of new evidence coming to light about an historical event. You appear to want to dictate to others how long an event should be remembered and, that once "sealed," it should be left alone. Others who believe differently are to be hated.

One of the things that most religions teach is owning up to wrong-doing, and since a church is the kind of organization that is intended to outlive any individual member, crimes committed in the name of the organization stay with it until the attempt is made to reconcile it, however symbolically. What this church did was to add a new, brighter page to a tragic history.