Very succinctly said. NATO was anti-Soviet from the get-go and part of the Soviet aggression of the 50s and 60s was to create a secure border. With the fall of the Soviet Union it was rather insane to think that we could try to wean the border republics to the NATO camp and pretend that this was no threat to the Russians.
They don't give a f... about the ethnic Russians." Actually, now its the shoe on the other foot. Heard that Russians were pretty stuck up, just like they were in Cuba according to relatives. Basically had carte blanch and immunity to do what they wanted at will..
Not saying the revenge was worth it, just pointing out.
People will believe anything and Putin knows it. Putin orders Russian troops to destroy Georgian infrastructure and he blames it on one of the American political parties. Why am I not surprised.
Oh those evil Republicans. No need to fear a new day will dawn. Barack America to the rescue.
With this"blame everything on America" attitude, if a Russian cow dies the next day by unknown cause, Mr Putin will no doubt blame GWB as well! how convenient.
I think that the borders of the Soviet Union were fairly well defined by the end of WW2. The aggressions that I am thinking of were the put-down of uprisings in Hungary and Poland in the 50s and its attempts to control the governments of its buffer states on up to Czechoslovakia in the late 60s.
To hear Americans talk at that time, it was as though the Soviets were "threatening our way of life". The Russkies were coming! That was never the case. More close to the truth is that Russia proper did not want to be invaded again. After losing close to 30 million people in the war, that's kind of understandable.
The aggressions that I am thinking of were the put-down of uprisings in Hungary and Poland in the 50s and its attempts to control the governments of its buffer states on up to Czechoslovakia in the late 60s.
The continuity they show to this day is inspiring, isn't it.
I rather doubt that the Georgian aggression against South Ossetia was hatched in Washington. It was way too stupid. But Mikheil Saakashvili, the demento Georgian president, no doubt believed that the West would support him in his murderous assault on a peaceful civilian target. He was right, but he did not count on Russia coming to the rescue.
That the US is using this incident to get at Russia is an act of aggression, as is the placing of missile bases close to Russia's borders. Imagine how the US would react if Russia placed missiles in Canada, Mexico or Cuba. (Remember the so-called Cuba missile crisis?)
Russia has not bothered anyone since the end of the Cold War and one has to wonder why there has been all this intimidation before Mikheil Saakashvili's genocidal attack on South Ossetia. My only guess is that the U.S. war industry wants to increase profits and promotions.
Meanwhile Mikheil Saakashvili has much to answer for. My guess is that the US while openly supporting him is not altogether pleased with him. He has proven himself to be a loose canon, which makes him a potential liability. Saddam comes to mind--a former US friend who really blew it.
Anyway, the so-called Georgian conflict was started by Mikheil Saakashvili and no one else. He has a lot of innocent blood on his hands. But to borrow a phrase from Hitler, who cares about the South Ossetians?
We'll talk again when you can muster something more than one sentence of sarcasm.
It doesn't seem to me that Russia has shown any greater continuity than its arch-enemy has, perhaps less in that it was willing to try to get along with the US. But it seems to me that both Clinton and Bush wanted to rub Russia's face in the offal of Soviet collapse. Post WW1 Germany mightily resented similar treatment.
I will say it again Russia has absolutely no credibility on anything given the history of the Soviet Union. During and after WWII they "liberated" a lot of countries to build their empire. I'm sure Stalin and Putin could have a drink together and share their thoughts on Russian expansionism.
If EU and US don't respond appropriately to this agression, Russia will take it as an implicit sign that West is giving carte blanche to terrorize her former satellite states, as long as she keeps pumping oil and gas into pipelines bound to Europe. This kind of appeasement is pathetic and worst form of "oil for blood".
Here's what happened behind this whole Georgia thing, and Putin is the only one telling it straight: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9828
Veep Cheney's comment to Georgia,"I promise to send you plenty of other peoples' money and other peoples' children with which to create a real mess I can make a ton of cash off of!"
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SezWho2 at 05:47 PM JST - 29th August
bebert,
Very succinctly said. NATO was anti-Soviet from the get-go and part of the Soviet aggression of the 50s and 60s was to create a secure border. With the fall of the Soviet Union it was rather insane to think that we could try to wean the border republics to the NATO camp and pretend that this was no threat to the Russians.
Alinsky4prez at 06:06 PM JST - 29th August
Which "aggression" was that?
skipthesong at 06:17 PM JST - 29th August
They don't give a f... about the ethnic Russians." Actually, now its the shoe on the other foot. Heard that Russians were pretty stuck up, just like they were in Cuba according to relatives. Basically had carte blanch and immunity to do what they wanted at will..
Not saying the revenge was worth it, just pointing out.
VOR at 06:57 PM JST - 29th August
People will believe anything and Putin knows it. Putin orders Russian troops to destroy Georgian infrastructure and he blames it on one of the American political parties. Why am I not surprised.
Oh those evil Republicans. No need to fear a new day will dawn. Barack America to the rescue.
tclh at 07:23 PM JST - 29th August
With this"blame everything on America" attitude, if a Russian cow dies the next day by unknown cause, Mr Putin will no doubt blame GWB as well! how convenient.
SezWho2 at 07:39 PM JST - 29th August
Alinsky4prez,
I think that the borders of the Soviet Union were fairly well defined by the end of WW2. The aggressions that I am thinking of were the put-down of uprisings in Hungary and Poland in the 50s and its attempts to control the governments of its buffer states on up to Czechoslovakia in the late 60s.
To hear Americans talk at that time, it was as though the Soviets were "threatening our way of life". The Russkies were coming! That was never the case. More close to the truth is that Russia proper did not want to be invaded again. After losing close to 30 million people in the war, that's kind of understandable.
Alinsky4prez at 08:13 PM JST - 29th August
The continuity they show to this day is inspiring, isn't it.
jeancolmar at 09:34 PM JST - 29th August
I rather doubt that the Georgian aggression against South Ossetia was hatched in Washington. It was way too stupid. But Mikheil Saakashvili, the demento Georgian president, no doubt believed that the West would support him in his murderous assault on a peaceful civilian target. He was right, but he did not count on Russia coming to the rescue.
That the US is using this incident to get at Russia is an act of aggression, as is the placing of missile bases close to Russia's borders. Imagine how the US would react if Russia placed missiles in Canada, Mexico or Cuba. (Remember the so-called Cuba missile crisis?)
Russia has not bothered anyone since the end of the Cold War and one has to wonder why there has been all this intimidation before Mikheil Saakashvili's genocidal attack on South Ossetia. My only guess is that the U.S. war industry wants to increase profits and promotions.
Meanwhile Mikheil Saakashvili has much to answer for. My guess is that the US while openly supporting him is not altogether pleased with him. He has proven himself to be a loose canon, which makes him a potential liability. Saddam comes to mind--a former US friend who really blew it.
Anyway, the so-called Georgian conflict was started by Mikheil Saakashvili and no one else. He has a lot of innocent blood on his hands. But to borrow a phrase from Hitler, who cares about the South Ossetians?
SezWho2 at 09:56 PM JST - 29th August
Alinsky4prez,
We'll talk again when you can muster something more than one sentence of sarcasm.
It doesn't seem to me that Russia has shown any greater continuity than its arch-enemy has, perhaps less in that it was willing to try to get along with the US. But it seems to me that both Clinton and Bush wanted to rub Russia's face in the offal of Soviet collapse. Post WW1 Germany mightily resented similar treatment.
Alinsky4prez at 10:03 PM JST - 29th August
That is as good an explanation as any for their support of the Workers Paradise that brave Robt Mugabe is trying to build.
usaexpat at 11:53 PM JST - 29th August
I will say it again Russia has absolutely no credibility on anything given the history of the Soviet Union. During and after WWII they "liberated" a lot of countries to build their empire. I'm sure Stalin and Putin could have a drink together and share their thoughts on Russian expansionism.
Hun at 01:46 AM JST - 30th August
If EU and US don't respond appropriately to this agression, Russia will take it as an implicit sign that West is giving carte blanche to terrorize her former satellite states, as long as she keeps pumping oil and gas into pipelines bound to Europe. This kind of appeasement is pathetic and worst form of "oil for blood".
LIBERTAS at 07:17 AM JST - 30th August
Here's what happened behind this whole Georgia thing, and Putin is the only one telling it straight: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9828 Veep Cheney's comment to Georgia,"I promise to send you plenty of other peoples' money and other peoples' children with which to create a real mess I can make a ton of cash off of!"
SezWho2 at 07:33 AM JST - 30th August
That is as good an example as any of irrelevance to the issue of the Russia and Georgia.
reddragonguy at 10:54 AM JST - 30th August
Bush is a lame duck president now...
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