"The real hate monger in the McCain camp is Palin. Her latest lie, that Obama pals around with terrorists (that almost a direct quote) has become a mainstay of the Republican smear campaign. "
Obama's handlers have admitted that he was less than forthcoming about the extent of his relationship with the failed domestic terrorist William Ayers, member and founder of the Weather Underground.
"...the Obama campaign admitted for the first time that Sen. Obama did know of Ayers' history as the head of the notorious Weather Underground. That line directly contradicts what the campaign said yesterday, that Sen. Obama did not know who Ayers was when he worked closely with him on the boards of two separate organizations in the late 1990's and early 2000's. Worse for the campaign, the admission essentially confirms Gov. Sarah Palin's claim from this past weekend that Obama, "pals around with terrorists."
[...]
"But so far, everything that the McCain campaign has claimed about Obama and Ayers has been confirmed by the Obama campaign itself. That hardly makes it a smear."
"The problem is that some of his supporters don't believe Barack Obama has any accomplishments"
I'm one of 'em.
What, OTHER than becoming a United States Senator and the first African-American to gain the nomination of a major political party? Have you accomplished that much, "Sarge?"
Simon - Um, much to the chagrine of many, I'm not running for president.
We usually ask our presidential candidates to have a little more experience than what Barack Obama has. What's he got? Community organizer. Countless Sundays listening to a hateful, rascist preacher. 144 days in the Senate. Jeez, oh man...
"Evidently not in this case, as it looks like he's going to win."
Incredible, isn't it? But then again, looks can be deceiving...
Indeed, if the pollsters are all asking the wrong people and McCain can actually pull off a victory. But how's he going to do it? The stuff that you like to go on about, Ayers, Wright, etc, isn't winning anyone over and even Republicans are admitting it. Newt Gingrich says it quite succinctly:
“He has to make the case that he’s different than Bush and better than Obama on the economy. If he doesn’t win that case, it’s all over….”
About your factcheck.org link, it doesn't seem to point to the information you describe. I searched the askfactcheck archives and got the same information you did.
Here's the problem, though, as I see it. The article in question does not claim that McCain crashed 5 planes (or that he caused the Forrestal fire). It describes 5 incidents involving McCain's flight record--a crashed trainer, a collision (termed crash in the article) with a power line, a civilian mishap (possibly not covered in navy records), the accident to his plane on the Forrestal, and his crash in Vietnam.
I think a refutation would indicate which of those did not happen.
jeancolmar - you are absolutely right. McCain comes across as a fair man - albeit a politician - and he's to be commended for his defence of Obama's character against an angry mob of ignorant fools in Minnesota.
The fact that ignorant Americans use the term "Arab" as a term of abuse is hugely illustrative in itself. However, the problem is that McCain is effectively fighting fires that Palin and his own campaigners have started.
Continuing on this theme, raw anger and hatred was meted out to the son of National Review founder, William F. Buckley. Author Christopher Buckley was on the editorial review board of the magazine, but has he explains it, he has "been effectively fatwahed by the conservative movement," and "blanketed with hate mail." His heresy: the endorsement of Barack Obama.
"Shouts of “traitor,” “terrorist,” “treason,” “liar,” and even “off with his head” have rung from the crowd at McCain and Sarah Palin rallies, and gone unchallenged by them."
Lies, lies and more 'liberal' lies.
Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded
By Andrew M. Seder aseder@timesleader.com
Staff Writer
SCRANTON – The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton said allegations that someone yelled “kill him” when presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s name was mentioned during Tuesday’s Sarah Palin rally are unfounded.
The Scranton Times-Tribune first reported the alleged incident on its Web site Tuesday and then again in its print edition Wednesday. The first story, written by reporter David Singleton, appeared with allegations that while congressional candidate Chris Hackett was addressing the crowd and mentioned Oabama’s name a man in the audience shouted “kill him."
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coulrophobic at 08:29 PM JST - 12th October
"The real hate monger in the McCain camp is Palin. Her latest lie, that Obama pals around with terrorists (that almost a direct quote) has become a mainstay of the Republican smear campaign. "
Obama's handlers have admitted that he was less than forthcoming about the extent of his relationship with the failed domestic terrorist William Ayers, member and founder of the Weather Underground.
"...the Obama campaign admitted for the first time that Sen. Obama did know of Ayers' history as the head of the notorious Weather Underground. That line directly contradicts what the campaign said yesterday, that Sen. Obama did not know who Ayers was when he worked closely with him on the boards of two separate organizations in the late 1990's and early 2000's. Worse for the campaign, the admission essentially confirms Gov. Sarah Palin's claim from this past weekend that Obama, "pals around with terrorists."
[...]
"But so far, everything that the McCain campaign has claimed about Obama and Ayers has been confirmed by the Obama campaign itself. That hardly makes it a smear."
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/10/07/obama-camp-admits-obama-knew-ayers-past/
Sarge at 10:47 PM JST - 12th October
jean: "There is an Arab running for president, however, Ralph Nadar."
You mean Ralph Nader. Yeah, he's not going to be elected.
Simon_Foston at 12:47 AM JST - 13th October
I'm one of 'em.
What, OTHER than becoming a United States Senator and the first African-American to gain the nomination of a major political party? Have you accomplished that much, "Sarge?"
Sarge at 01:08 AM JST - 13th October
Simon - Um, much to the chagrine of many, I'm not running for president. We usually ask our presidential candidates to have a little more experience than what Barack Obama has. What's he got? Community organizer. Countless Sundays listening to a hateful, rascist preacher. 144 days in the Senate. Jeez, oh man...
BlackFlag at 01:15 AM JST - 13th October
maybe you'd like him better if he'd been bayoneted in the ankles and shaggeg around a lot
Simon_Foston at 09:50 AM JST - 13th October
Evidently not in this case, as it looks like he's going to win.
Sarge at 10:02 AM JST - 13th October
"Evidently not in this case, as it looks like he's going to win."
Incredible, isn't it? But then again, looks can be deceiving...
Simon_Foston at 10:32 AM JST - 13th October
Incredible, isn't it? But then again, looks can be deceiving...
Indeed, if the pollsters are all asking the wrong people and McCain can actually pull off a victory. But how's he going to do it? The stuff that you like to go on about, Ayers, Wright, etc, isn't winning anyone over and even Republicans are admitting it. Newt Gingrich says it quite succinctly:
Nuff said.
Sarge at 07:16 PM JST - 13th October
Or, he can simply get the majority of Americans to realize that although Obama does have a fit rear end, he's not fit to be president.
Simon_Foston at 10:07 PM JST - 13th October
He isn't doing a good job of it so far.
SiouxGirl at 07:42 AM JST - 14th October
People are becoming frightened of the reality of having our first Black President of the U.S.
SezWho2 at 08:03 AM JST - 14th October
sailwind,
About your factcheck.org link, it doesn't seem to point to the information you describe. I searched the askfactcheck archives and got the same information you did.
Here's the problem, though, as I see it. The article in question does not claim that McCain crashed 5 planes (or that he caused the Forrestal fire). It describes 5 incidents involving McCain's flight record--a crashed trainer, a collision (termed crash in the article) with a power line, a civilian mishap (possibly not covered in navy records), the accident to his plane on the Forrestal, and his crash in Vietnam.
I think a refutation would indicate which of those did not happen.
frontandcentre at 02:43 PM JST - 14th October
jeancolmar - you are absolutely right. McCain comes across as a fair man - albeit a politician - and he's to be commended for his defence of Obama's character against an angry mob of ignorant fools in Minnesota.
The fact that ignorant Americans use the term "Arab" as a term of abuse is hugely illustrative in itself. However, the problem is that McCain is effectively fighting fires that Palin and his own campaigners have started.
Just quit, John - I'd respect you for that.
yabits at 05:20 AM JST - 15th October
Continuing on this theme, raw anger and hatred was meted out to the son of National Review founder, William F. Buckley. Author Christopher Buckley was on the editorial review board of the magazine, but has he explains it, he has "been effectively fatwahed by the conservative movement," and "blanketed with hate mail." His heresy: the endorsement of Barack Obama.
coulrophobic at 03:33 PM JST - 16th October
"Shouts of “traitor,” “terrorist,” “treason,” “liar,” and even “off with his head” have rung from the crowd at McCain and Sarah Palin rallies, and gone unchallenged by them."
Lies, lies and more 'liberal' lies.
Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded
By Andrew M. Seder aseder@timesleader.com Staff Writer
SCRANTON – The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton said allegations that someone yelled “kill him” when presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s name was mentioned during Tuesday’s Sarah Palin rally are unfounded.
The Scranton Times-Tribune first reported the alleged incident on its Web site Tuesday and then again in its print edition Wednesday. The first story, written by reporter David Singleton, appeared with allegations that while congressional candidate Chris Hackett was addressing the crowd and mentioned Oabama’s name a man in the audience shouted “kill him."
http://www.timesleader.com/news/breakingnews/ Secret_Service_says_Kill_him_allegation_unfounded_.html
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