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sailwind
Good to see the Media finally get out of the tank for Obama and start to be "objective" again......Bwahahaaa
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SushiSake3
"David Brooks, a conservative New York Times columnist who has criticized aspects of the stimulus plan, nonetheless called Jindal’s arguments “insane” and tone-deaf given the dire economic challenges the country faces."
Tone-deaf is right. Even Republican Archangel Rush Limbaugh said Obama was better than Jindal.
“It came off as amateurish, and even the tempo in which he spoke was singsongy,” Williams said, adding that the content of the speech was “very simplistic and almost childish.”"
Thank God we now have a president who is educated, intelligent, articulate, and who speaks like an adult and treats listeners like adults.
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GJDailleult
sailwind is right, those well known Obama worshipers at Fox News really need to stop picking on Republicans. David Brooks too.
Actually, this all might be a lucky break for the Republicans. A wake up call that spouting irrelevant ideological cliches is not going to work, and give responsible and competent Republican politicians (yes there are a few) some leverage against the Limbaugh puppets. Way to take one for the team Jindal. Sorry about your dreams going down the toilet though.
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Scrote
The Republicans have a cheek in calling for less government after eight consecutive years of increasing government under Bush.
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smithinjapan
Well, sarge still likes him, so that's a little bit of hope for the man... HAHA!
Seriously, though, this guy has just ruined his career by trying to revive the politics that got the Republicans CRUSHED in the last election. Please DO let him run in 2012; it will ensure Obama another term. Better yet, let him run with Palin so we can have endless sources of humour.
This guy is a lunatic, and I'm happy he quickly destroyed any credibility he had a few days ago. Now he's going to look even stupider for denying the stimulus money, too.
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timorborder
A lot can happen in 24 hours. Just yesterday I was reading about how this guy was one of the rising stars of the GOP. Looking at the comments above, either the media made a concerted effort to do a hatchet job on the guy, or he is a raving loony. Things don't look good for him if the blight of the American airwaves, Chickenhawk Limbaugh thinks that a democrat did a better job.
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Sarge
"this guy is a lunatic"
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
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Taka313
GJDailleult,
I doubt it. The RNC is already discussing whether or not to punish Sen. Snowe and Sen. Specter (both of whom made Time's list of the 10 best Senators in the U.S.) for crossing party lines regarding the stimulus package they (almost) all condemned (except when telling their own constituents what they would get from it).
Nope, these clowns are determined to become more radical and less relevant. Of one thing, we can be sure however; when they go down...it won't be their fault. It never is.
Taka
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smithinjapan
sarge: "Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!"
Ummm.... that's really not much of an argument... particularly in defense of calling the man a lunatic.
Anyway, it's a fact, sarge. The guy may be slightly cleverer than Palin, for example, but he's proven that he has as little tact as she, and cannot speak any better.
Another Republican digs his own grave. Timing couldn't be better, after that awesome speech by Obama; it'll make Jindal look even more the ar$e, and he'll lose more support.
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likeitis
Can't people tell the difference between mismanagement and a flood? For that to be widely panned points to a wide population of idiots.
He puts his money where his mouth is.
Yes. And its not wonder the Republicans have no trust at all right now. There situation is so bad, it does not matter if what they say is right anymore, they are simply not trusted to do what they say.
The Dems can be completely wrong, yet they are chosen to lead by being the lesser evil.
Republicans really should stop that tapping business.
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Taka313
That made me laugh/snort.
Sailwind's comment about the (cue eerie music, deepen your voice and speak into your cupped hands for effect) "liberal media conspiracy" combined with the contents of this link made me call people up in order to share the laughs:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=219482&title=Unusual-Suspect
Yeah, real love fest. Priceless.
Taka
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sailwind
I'm calling it out.
This is blatent media bias and the 'fourth estate' should never be able to call itself that anymore.
The article wants you believe it was so bad that even Fox news panned it.
Yet they left out this little tid-bit on Fox News commentator Juan Williams.
First off Juan Williams was a GUEST commentator on Fox and he doesn't even work for them.
He's employed by...wait for it.
Jindal, who is often cited as a rising GOP star and potential Republican challenger to Obama in 2012, was criticized for his presentation, which **National Public Radio’s Juan Williams **called “childish” and “sing-songy” on the Fox News’ panel immediately after the governor’s remarks.
Someone tell me why this article LEFT THAT OUT?
National Public Radio bashes Jindal's speech..what a shocker.
Leave the impression it's Fox news that bashed it and run with the story!!!!
Limbaugh didn't bash it either. MSN should just quite pretending it's 'Objective' anymore.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19310.html
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Sarge
"Jindal had a tough act to follow in Obama, a naturally-gifted orator"
President Obama does indeed have the gift of gab.
The facts remain:
Jindal believes in less government, President Obama believes in more government. I agree with Jindal.
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smithinjapan
sailwind: Quick question before you continue blaming what Jindai said on the media; did Jindai say the things he said in his speech, or was did someone dress up like Jindai and deliver the speech on his behalf?
Jindai wrote and made the speech, no one else.
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sailwind
smith,
You don't like being lied to. I don't either. This article printed a direct falsehood and dressed it up as the truth.
Whoever tossed out his journalistic integrity to allow this statement in the article should be fired.
The article states
**Fox News commentator Juan Williams **focused on Jindal’s delivery.
“It came off as amateurish, and even the tempo in which he spoke was singsongy,” Williams said, adding that the content of the speech was “very simplistic and almost childish.”
He is not a Fox News commentator, two seconds of fact-checking would have discovered that. Yet the editor let it pass and it went to print.
One can conclude either one of two things.
The reporter and editor are so incompetent that they can't even fact check their own stories before going to print.
Or two they left out the fact that Juan Williams works for NPR (Government Funded) and was a guest on a Fox news panel show on purpose to purposely slant the article and mislead people.
I'm going with 2.
Your thoughts?
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PepinGalarga
Jindal should get his state out from below the poverty line, and not be taking vacations in Disney World while he's got work to do.
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smithinjapan
sailwind: Fine, so fire the guy, or punish him, but it doesn't change the fact that Jindal comes off sounding like a moron and is being ripped by both sides of the political spectrum, which I believe this thread is largely about.
I simply asked you if Jindal said what he said, not what you think about a person who does not necessarily work for Fox.
I actually don't listen to, follow, or care one Iota what FOX says or does. You can find the speech from other sources, and my opinion, which seems to be similar to that of almost everyone else (including Republicans), is that Jindal did indeed make a very childish speech. Coming off the republican beating in November, you would think they've learned.
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adaydream
Makes no didderence who Jindal followed. He sounded like the same old republican commercial.
Republicans tax breaks.
We can balance the budget, tax breaks.
Talk about managing money, tax breaks.
And just to remind you, Tax Breaks, two words you can depend on.
Again we are Republicans and we want tax breaks. < :-)
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SushiSake3
adaydream - I cracked up when I put the lyric-like words in your last post to a gangsta rap track in my head, lol! :-)
No, but really, I definitely think we need more Republicans to come out in force and - as Taka so eloquently put it - cue eerie music, deepen their voices and speak into their cupped hands for effect - talk about the horrible dangers of "big government," shock voters with how "the Liberals" will steal your childrens' future, and talk up why we need the hallowed "fiscal responsibility of the GOP" to balance the nation's books.
smithinjapan, I'm praying for a Limbaugh-Palin 2012 GOP ticket.
That will be A-W-E-S-O-M-E.
Too much! :-)
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sailwind
Well smith, aday, Sushi,
Since I'm pretty sure you haven't actually heard or read his speech and are just posting your own bias opinion based on a biased article in the first place.
How about an intelligent discussion.
Here is the speech.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/24/sotn.jindal.transcript/
Here is an excerpt towards the end. I liked the beginning by the way. Nice touch about Obama and history being made by his election.
Excerpt I'm posting is towards the end. I thought it was very good myself as the party seeks to find it's real roots again.
In all these areas, Republicans want to work with President Obama. We appreciate his message of hope, but sometimes it seems we look for hope in different places. Democratic leaders in Washington -- they place their hope in the federal government. We place our hope in you, the American people. In the end, it comes down to an honest and fundamental disagreement about the proper role of government. We oppose the National Democratic view that says the way to strengthen our country is to increase dependence on government. We believe the way to strengthen our country is to restrain spending in Washington, to empower individuals and small businesses to grow our economy and to create jobs.
In recent years, these distinctions in philosophy became less clear -- our party got away from its principles. You elected Republicans to champion limited government, fiscal discipline and personal responsibility. Instead, Republicans went along with earmarks and big government spending in Washington. Republicans lost your trust -- and rightly so.
Tonight, on behalf of our leaders in Congress and my fellow Republican governors, I say this: Our party is determined to regain your trust. We will do so by standing up for the principles that we share, the principles you elected us to fight for, the principles that built this into the greatest, most prosperous country on earth.
I think that's taking responsibility something Taka thinks Republicans don't do.
Read the speech it isn't the Gettysburg Address but it certaintly in my opinion was childish or whatever the Media uses to slam anyone who dares actually goes agaisn't "The One"........
Joe the plumber, Palin now Jindal always must be destroyed!
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sailwind
Oop's meant to say "wasn't childish".
Sorry typo!
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skipthesong
I wonder, if Jindal was not Indian decent, would he still receive the same criticism? Something tells me he wouldn't.
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smithinjapan
skip: "I wonder..."
I bet you he would. I don't know why you're trying to bring race into this; the man is a moron for what he says, not for his ethnic background.
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Gombei424Canada
You said it, sushisake. A palin-limbaugh ticket in 2012. Bingo! Ha ha ha. That would be too great! Well, anyway amigo, it is too funny watching the few remaining republicans here defend bobby jindal and his childish speech.Said speech reminded me of bush and why he and the republicans were kicked out last November.
Adaydream, my friend, are you a musician, or a poet? Your sense of rythym is astounding.I read your lyrical dissing of the republicans and I was LITERALLy rolling on the floor, laughing my arse off!
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smithinjapan
sailwind: You do a pretty decent job of selective cutting and pasting, but you forgot the whole middle section where he makes disgusting accusations, whines like a petulant child, and tries to bring back the kind of exaggerations and lies that lost the Republicans the election in November.
"Those of us who lived through Hurricane Katrina -- we have our doubts."
Except that he's STILL sitting on billions in relief funds and can't manage how to use them. You don't hear Jindal talking about that when he's trying to talk about how the president shouldn't use money for researching natural phenomena and potential disasters!
"and $140 million for something called "volcano monitoring." Instead of monitoring volcanoes, what Congress should be monitoring is the eruption of spending in Washington, D.C."
An outright lie, and again the kind of thing that got McCann and Palin handed their hats. The money is for SCIENCE, which Obama has promised to bring back to the White House after bush threw it away for religion, and a small amount of that is earmarked for geological research, of which a small amount is indeed earmarked for 'volcano watching'.
I could go on, sailwind, but it's pretty clear that while you LOOKED at the text and chose to see only the good parts, you didn't actually READ the words in front of you (again, aside from the end).
The man is a liar, and a fool. He deserves all the ridicule of both parties that he is getting, and then some. I notice you never answered my question, either.
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Triumvere
My God. I watched to minutes of the speech and I couldn't take it anymore; had to turn it off, it was excrutiating. I'm going to try again, but, damn! What happened, Bobby? What happened to Rhodes Scholar, the intelectual?
Quick, someone perform an excorsicm!
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smithinjapan
I'm afraid, bottom line, that Jindal is another example of a Republican who gets some power and then tries to take on more, making himself completely ineffectual in the process. What's worse, like McCain did while running and bush did while in power, he has become something much worse than what people have known him to be, and where they previously respected him he has thrown it out the window. If the guy stops trying to set his ambitions on what could be a WH run in 2012, he may well return to being somewhat intelligent and practical.
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skipthesong
No smitty, I was trying to point out how the repubs went against him, not you or anyone else. I mean even if my friend is wrong, I am still going to back him up. Many politician say some really stupid things, but at least their boyz back them up.
He's a victim of being stabbed in the back as far as I am concerned. No, I didn't listen to the speech. That's not my point.
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JoeBigs
I wonder if the far right wingers who bashed him were not hard right wingers who want Palin to run in 2012? Now this is a thought, I will have to look deeper into who were the folks who are the bashers.
Now of course Rush Limbaugh defending Jindal is not good for Jindal. What true conservative in his/her mind would listen to a drug addict?
Hmmm the plot thickens, will Palins supporters try and knock off all her opponents before 2012? Will Palin kill of more turkeys on tv just to prove how tough she can be? Will Palin's husband admit that he is a separatist? Will the news ever discover that there is n news?
Now to be serious, if Jindal and Palin are what the Republican's have to offer the nation than the Republican party is all but dead. Maybe if it wait another 15 or 16 years some new face will appear with fresh ideas. But I do not believe that they will have anything new for our nation.
The party is all but lost in it's far right leanings. The religious far right has it's claws in the Republican party and it will not let go until it is truly dead.
If this is what you have GOP, do not expect much in two years.
Do you hear that hammering noise? Well those are the last few nail being put in.......Enjoy your rest or wake up, up to you.
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sailwind
Ummm....Joe
You really should take down that Palin Centerfold picture you have hanging by your bed. She doesn't like you.
Just a Thought.
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adaydream
sailwind
I posted this right after Jindal's republican response. I watched the response.
I listened to it and posted this directly after he spoke.
Can't you just see Jindal/Palin in 2012 running? < :-)
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Betzee
Instead, Republicans went along with earmarks and big government spending in Washington.
Indeed. The biggest expansion of the welfare state since LBJ occurred under GWB when he enacted his prescription drug plan for seniors. So, is Jindal talking about rolling that back in order to regain the trust of Americans? Specifics please Sailwind....
In her convention speech Sarah Palin quoted RR:
"It was Ronald Reagan who said that freedom is always just one generation away from extinction. We don't pass it to our children in the bloodstream; we have to fight for it and protect it, and then hand it to them so that they shall do the same, or we're going to find ourselves spending our sunset years telling our children and our children's children about a time in America, back in the day, when men and women were free."
Though it sounds like he was referring to "the evil empire," in fact the quote was taken from an early 1960s recorded speech he made denouncing Medicare as "socialized medicine" in very much the same terms Republicans are denouncing Obama's "socialist agenda" today.
So I was a little surprised to hear Palin reassuring Florida seniors last fall that, under a McCain administration, "your social security and Medicare benefits will not be touched." It just underscores the hypocrisy of claiming to be a champion of "small government." Talk is cheap folks....
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Good_Jorb
Even if your friend thought Chicken Of The Sea Tuna was actually Chicken. Not telling someone constructive fashion that they wrong, is a disservice to that person and impedes the growth potential.
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Molenir
Actually, I thought Jindals speech was a lot better then Obamas. I mean, criticize him and his ideas all you like. There are a lot of people who think the biggest idiots are those who are going along with Obama and his idea of a "New" New Deal. Since the New Deal failed the first time, doing it again is not a cure, but another disaster waiting to happen.
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JoeBigs
No no Sailwind, I am not like the far right wing droolers. I for one have taste in the women I like. I would never have a centerfold of that "trailer babe". I for one like a woman that knows about current affairs and can hold her own without someone pumping information into her ear. Palin could not hold her own without someone helping her.
What I do have are laugh tracks of her less than stellar speeches/interviews. Now those are truly outrages and make me burst out laughing. I love the one with the Canadian shock jocks! Now that one was outstanding!!! If you want a good laugh I can give you the link. LOL Man I just heard it a bit ago, and it is too good! LOL
I really do not know who is better of placing their foot in their mouthes, Jindal or Palin? Like I said before, if this is what the party has in store for 2012, well get ready for 4 more for Obama.
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goodDonkey
I have seen Juan Williams working on Fox as a pundit. Who is going to call **me **a liar???? I will bet he has received many paychecks from Fox. I will compare the splitting of hairs on the usage of the word commentator compared to the whoppers those who are complaining on this thread have previously told on JT. No comparison.
Juan Williams has been a Fox News Channel political contributor since 1997. He is a regular panelist on Special Report with Bret Baier and Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace. On Fox News Sunday, he is known for his frequent debates with Brit Hume and Bill Kristol.
According to FOX:
http://www.foxnews.com/bios/talent/juan-williams/
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goodDonkey
Those who scream and whine about media bias have frequently referenced the most bias sources that have zero accolades and are never cited for presenting balanced articles. Furthermore, are these persons who claim media bias eye witness to the events the rest of us read about? If they are not eye witnesses then they must get their information from a source. Let them name their sources of news. I believe the term is "put up or shut up."
I can't wait to see the proof that Juan Williams doesn't work for FOX. You mean someone has proof that he has been sitting on their panel for all these years and he does not get paid? Or will we see spin that tells us he is getting paid but he is not "working" for them?
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goodDonkey
goodDonkey at 11:22 AM JST - 27th February post should have been "me" instead of **me **.
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sailwind
GoodDonkey
Ask and you shall recieve:
Juan Williams, NPR Biography News Analyst
Photo: Stephen Voss©2007 NPR
uan Williams, one of America's leading journalists, is a news analyst, appearing regularly on the newsmagazines Morning Edition and Day to Day. Knowledgeable and charismatic, Williams brings insight and depth — hallmarks of NPR programs — to a wide spectrum of issues and ideas.
Williams continues to be a contributing political analyst for the Fox News Channel and a regular panelist on Fox News Sunday. He has also appeared on numerous television programs, including Nightline, Washington Week in Review, Oprah, CNN's Crossfire (where he frequently served as co-host), and Capitol Gang Sunday.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1930705
Question....Does he work for CNN also? Nightline? Oprah? Capitol Gang?
If so why didn't article also mention those........Just SINGLES OUT FOX.
I wonder why? It just couldn't be bias now could it???????
Next?
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goodDonkey
sailwind said:
Saying "First off Juan Williams was a GUEST commentator on Fox and he doesn't even work for them." is simply not true.
Still waiting for "proof that Juan Williams doesn't work for FOX." That is what I said.
And once again people who can't tell the truth get all cute with their little "next?" but did anyone expect anything different?
Juan Williams worked for FOX. Who cares where else he works? If you say he does not work for FOX then you are not telling the truth. I asked for proof. Someone who says "Ask and you shall recieve [receive]:" and does not provide such is further perpetrating a fraud. We call that not telling the truth again in addition to the original falsehood.
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sailwind
Pretty obvious the article doesn't care either. Ohhh wait they pointed out FOX....... Wonder why?
On no, it couldn't be bias now could it?
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JoeBigs
You know just when you think it can not get any worse for Jindal and the Republican party. More of that brown stuff hits the fan.
Weeeeeeeeeell it turns out that Jindal was stretching the truth bit when it came to a part of his speech. In Jindal's great speech he claimed;
*It is a bit longer and you can find the transcript of it at http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/24/us/politics/24jindal-text.html *
Well now it turns out that the little story about he being in his office during this tale was a bit......Well was a bit of a little...Well not that little it was a bold faced lie.
While trying to make a heart wrenching speech about the ills of government red tape, and using the standard Republican whipping boy know as Katrina. Following in the footsets of the Bush administration Jindal told a bit of a lie about being there. When in confronted about the story Jindal's handlers changed the line from him being to he overhearing the story.
This is getting worse by the moment for the Republicans and there so called future. While trying to make a better speech than President Obama Jindal decided it was best to toss in a lie rather than speak honestly.
The Republican's can not tell the truth if they needed to.
Doctor, I think this party is dead......Yep, mark the time and the date, we have a stiff here.
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goodDonkey
JoeBigs
Thanks for that; it was great. I watched him give that speech and speak from "personal experience." It is so typical of the high and mighty Republicans to lie their ass off. It will not affect the conservative/Republican posters (especially the last ones on this thread); that would be because they lie themselves. They lie on this thread and then pretend the media is bias. Where is the lie in this story? Conservative posters on this thread lie and it is clear Jindal lied but that is perfectly acceptable for these conservatives. They preach about morality all the time. But that applies to us not them. You noticed I challenged those who call the media bias to state who they consider credible; technically I asked who their sources are. The loud mouth who calls the media bias all the time never offer up the credible news source he gets his information from. He must be ashamed. All the conservatives/Republicans should be ashamed of Jindal's behavior - lying to us. But we won't hear a peep about that either.
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