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yabitsAug. 11, 2011 - 08:36AM JST

First, thanks to JT for posting this article.

Although the Democrats came a seat short of retaking the senate, they did come away with two heretofore solid Republican seats. I don't believe the Republicans can take either of the two Democratic-held seats they've tried to recall.

Walker is toast. But we progressives do thank him for energizing the base.
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KwaabishAug. 11, 2011 - 12:08PM JST

Good to hear. Time to fully implement the dismantling of the parasitic unions.
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arrestpaulAug. 11, 2011 - 01:29PM JST

The recall effort helped stir passions in the Democratic base “in ways we might never have been able to achieve on our own,” said Roy Temple, a Democratic political consultant with extensive experience in the Midwest.

This recall effort certainly stirred the passions of the VOTERS. The majority of voters once again rejected the progressive hopey changey agenda.

The Democrats/unions/BarackObama dot org outspent the conservatives 2 to 1 and they still lost. I guess "money" isn't the key they thought it was. Running away from the legislature for 3 weeks didn't work. Storming the Capital building didn't work. The Democrats have now gone beyond desperate.

First there was the midterm elections where the voters rejected the Democrats, then there was the Wisconsin Supreme Court judges vote where the voters rejected the Democrats and now these special elections where the voters rejected the Democrats again.

The local conservative voters are simply more motivated than the progressive drones.
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yabitsAug. 11, 2011 - 08:33PM JST

The local conservative voters are simply more motivated than the progressive drones.

The six districts were all heavily Republican/conservative and the Democrats came away with two of them. It's beautiful.

Just like the heavily conservative 26th district of New York state -- which elected its first Democrat in decades. More Wisconsin police, firemen, and first responders are saying that they'll never vote Republican again.

Walker is toast. There's no way he'll escape a statewide recall election: That will be the one that sets the tone for 2012.
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sailwindAug. 11, 2011 - 08:33PM JST

I see once again that the Democrats have spent a ton of other people's money and have achieved mediocre results.
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yabitsAug. 11, 2011 - 09:47PM JST

...have achieved mediocre results.

Will throwing out Walker be a mediocre result?

The progressives in Wisconsin represent the cause of right, fairness, and justice for all -- not just for the ultra-rich who want to rule the state. (And the boot-licking lackeys who fawn over them.)
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sailwindAug. 11, 2011 - 10:01PM JST

The progressives in Wisconsin represent the cause of right, fairness, and justice for all

Protecting their own self interest through their union racket had nothing to do with it I suppose.
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MolenirAug. 11, 2011 - 10:18PM JST

Will throwing out Walker be a mediocre result?

Hmm, well you were insisting that the Dems would regain control of the Senate. And your description of these seats as 'solid Republican' is a joke. Check on the registrations. Dems chose to recall those guys for a reason, and its not because they were in such solid Republican hands. It was because those were the ones they thought would give em the best chance of winning. They took 2, and lost 4. Not a good winning percentage. Of the Dems, the election for the last 2 will be held next week. It remains to see whether or not voters will be energized to turn out, knowing that they have failed in their efforts to regain control of the Senate. You can bet Republican voters will turn out to send a message to the flee-baggers though.

Meanwhile Republicans continue their efforts, to undo the years of disastrous Democratic rule in Wisconsin

The progressives in Wisconsin represent the cause of right, fairness, and justice for all

But only if you belong to the right group, and have the right opinions. If you aren't a part of the unions, you are paying for their meal ticket. And if you disagree with their politics, they have nothing but hate for you.

Union racket is a good term to describe the cozy little incestuous relationship the public sector unions enjoyed with the politicians. Fortunately Wisconsin voters wised up and threw the bums out. And as this election showed, they voted to stick with the Republicans.
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yabitsAug. 11, 2011 - 11:12PM JST

Protecting their own self interest through their union racket had nothing to do with it I suppose.

Working people know how much Republicans and their brain-dead lackeys despise both them and freedom. Nothing frightens cowards more than poor people and ordinary working class people exercising their first amendment rights to organize and work together. It's why they are so fearful and live in dread of unions and groups like ACORN.

The nice thing is that Republican policies to cut, cut, cut, while heaping more rewards on the wealthiest -- while increasing the tax burdens more on those barely getting by are driving many more people into the ranks of the poor and lower classes.
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yabitsAug. 11, 2011 - 11:18PM JST

Hmm, well you were insisting that the Dems would regain control of the Senate. And your description of these seats as 'solid Republican' is a joke. Check on the registrations

I never "insisted." I said that two were likely wins for Democrats and another two were likely wins for Republicans, and the other two were too close to call. I thought the Dems would win one of those last two and retake the Senate. But what the good Democrats did in Wisconsin was fight back and take two seats that the Republicans won handily in the last election. I've checked the registrations. Just like NY-26, those were solid Republican districts.

Meanwhile Republicans continue their efforts, to undo the years of disastrous Democratic rule in Wisconsin

If it was so disastrous, it would not have motivated hundreds of thousands of good citizens to mobilize and recall six Republicans. Yes, there will be an election to attempt to defeat two Democrats. I predict the enemies of freedom will lose both of them and the Democrats will remain in office -- just as I predict Walker will be sent packing just as soon as he's eligible for recall.

Fortunately Wisconsin voters wised up and threw the bums out.

Actually two Republican bums were just thrown out by wised up voters. The other four bums kept their seats, two of them just barely. There is no mistaking the trend. Walker is next.
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SushiSake3Aug. 11, 2011 - 11:55PM JST

Serrano: "Heh, I noticed you couldn't back up yabits on his claim that the Republicans are increasing tax burdens on the poor."

No, Republicans just desperately want to cut Medicare benefits for the poor so the poor will still pay more, regardless.

Exactly, exactly.
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SerranoAug. 12, 2011 - 12:12AM JST

Sushi - Look, Obama made his choice - instead of ordering a withdrawal from Afghanistan he ordered the surge. Yeah, sure, the drawdown has finally started but we've still got around 100,000 troops there, plus there are rumors that we may keep some U.S. troops in Iraq after the second promised withdrawal.
Can't do that and have the government pay the medical costs for millions of people.

Exactly, exactly.
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yabitsAug. 12, 2011 - 03:04AM JST

Heh, I noticed you couldn't back up yabits on his claim that the Republicans are increasing tax burdens on the poor.

Conservatives/Republicans often speak in support of abolishing the IRS and adopting what they call a "fair tax," which is anything but. Abolishing a progressive income tax system in favor of a highly regressive national sales tax would indeed greatly increase the tax burden on poor people.

There are at least a dozen other ways Republicans want poor and low income people to pay more -- from fees for voterID cards, to health care (as has been mentioned), to a shift to voucher-based education, etc. That is why you've got to be either very rich or very stupid to support the extremist Republican Party of today.
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arrestpaulAug. 12, 2011 - 05:26AM JST

yabits - Walker is toast. There's no way he'll escape a statewide recall election: That will be the one that sets the tone for 2012.

Hahahaha, apparently the Wisonsin voters (remember them?) have proven you wrong - again. The Democrats, the elected representatives who abandoned their jobs for 3 weeks, the teachers unions, the paid thugs, and the students who trashed the Capital building have lost - again.

No matter how much money the DNC spends in Wisconsin to influence the elections, the VOTERS don't seem to be impressed. They still chose to vote for the voters own best interest.
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yabitsAug. 12, 2011 - 06:15AM JST

Hahahaha, apparently the Wisonsin voters (remember them?) have proven you wrong - again.

In recent Badger polls, the Wisconsin voters give Walker a 55% unfavorable rating when asked if they think the governor is doing a good job. Those numbers mean he will be recalled. He's toast and he knows it. Recently, he's started trying to reach out to Democrats to help his sagging numbers. Too late: time for someone to beam Scotty up.

The Democrats, the elected representatives who abandoned their jobs for 3 weeks, the teachers unions, the paid thugs, and the students who trashed the Capital building have lost - again.

Picking up two more formerly Republican seats in the senate is something only only a very dumb person would classify as a "loss." Two seats here and two more seats later and soon you're looking at a Democratic majority.
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MolenirAug. 12, 2011 - 08:18AM JST

No, Republicans just desperately want to cut Medicare benefits for the poor so the poor will still pay more, regardless.

Lets be clear here. We simply cannot pay for it. We do not have the money. We must change the way the structure works, not to harm the poor, but so that the system doesn't collapse. Whining about it, does not change these basic facts, and demonizing those who seek to address this problem, does not help. Which is worse, changing the structure for the young? Or allowing it to collapse completely as it will do eventually unless reformed.

In recent Badger polls, the Wisconsin voters give Walker a 55% unfavorable rating when asked if they think the governor is doing a good job. Those numbers mean he will be recalled. He's toast and he knows it.

Heh, Obama has a 60% unfavorable rating. So you're admitting now that Obama is toast?
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sfjp330Aug. 12, 2011 - 08:38AM JST

MolenirAug. 12, 2011 - 08:18AM JST. We simply cannot pay for it. We do not have the money. We must change the way the structure works, not to harm the poor, but so that the system doesn't collapse.

The easiest path forward is to reduce the Medicare benefits, but the problem with Medicare is that it is so complex that if you cut growth in one area, costs are simply shifted to other areas. We must reform and improve it instead. Republicans have always been against the concept of Medicare. But hypocrisy entered into the discourse last year, when they attempted to position themselves as the ones who were going to "save Medicare."
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yabitsAug. 12, 2011 - 10:31AM JST

Heh, Obama has a 60% unfavorable rating. So you're admitting now that Obama is toast?

Obama has a better than 50% approval rating in many key states, including Wisconsin.

The reason his approval rating has slipped amongst Democrats is because he keeps trying too hard to reach across the aisle to work with people who don't want to give an inch. Nothing, but nothing, would see President Obama's ratings surge like him starting to kick the idiot TeaBgParty to the curb where they belong with the rest of the trash.

Nobody cares if he polls low in Arizona or South Carolina, as nobody expects ignorant, delusional white people to hold him in much esteem.
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sailwindAug. 12, 2011 - 11:44AM JST

Nothing, but nothing, would see President Obama's ratings surge like him starting to kick the idiot TeaBgParty to the curb where they belong with the rest of the trash.

Nobody cares if he polls low in Arizona or South Carolina, as nobody expects ignorant, delusional white people to hold him in much esteem.

I see that 'civility' thing is still strong in Liberals. South Carolina Freshman Rep. Tim Scott was endorsed by the Tea party and was elected there. Since race seems to be so important to you, he is of African American descent.
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BreitbartVictoriousAug. 12, 2011 - 12:02PM JST

Nobody cares if he polls low in Arizona or South Carolina, as nobody expects ignorant, delusional white people to hold him in much esteem.

Obama flails and off comes the mask.
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yabitsAug. 12, 2011 - 07:03PM JST

I see that 'civility' thing is still strong in Liberals.

One has to consider whether civility should be shown towards malevolent conservatives out to hurt the United States. The Republican debate last night sealed the deal.

Scott's election proves the point that when you lie down with dogs, you come up with fleas. (He's a wacko who fought to have the ten commandments posted at government offices.)

While in Congress, Scott showed his "civility" to poor people by co-sponsoring a bill that would deny food stamps to poor families who were made eligible because either parent was involved in a labor dispute. And that hypocrite who would starve children makes a big show -- as all hypocrites do -- with posting the ten commandments. No wonder he's a friend to reprobates everywhere.
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BreitbartVictoriousAug. 12, 2011 - 08:36PM JST

yabits

One has to consider whether civility should be shown towards malevolent conservatives out to hurt the United States. The Republican debate last night sealed the deal.

No it didn't. The Democrat defeat in WI did it. They threw 10 million into the races. They lost. You lost it.
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yabitsAug. 12, 2011 - 08:50PM JST

No it didn't. The Democrat defeat in WI did it.

The Democrats picked up two more seats held by Republicans. Hardly a defeat. By this time next year, heading into the rundown to November, Walker will have been thrown out of office. Hardly a defeat.

More importantly, Wisconsin had nothing to do with S&P's decision to downgrade the US's credit rating. Republican intransigence predicated by their swearing allegiance to Grover Nordquist ahead of a nation of people overwhelmingly in favor of cutting tax subsidies to the rich had everything to do with it.
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MolenirAug. 12, 2011 - 10:45PM JST

Nobody cares if he polls low in Arizona or South Carolina, as nobody expects ignorant, delusional white people to hold him in much esteem.

So, the ignorant delusional working man that still actually supports Obama, despite his incompetence and everything he has done to harm the US, is what exactly?

One has to consider whether civility should be shown towards malevolent conservatives out to hurt the United States. The Republican debate last night sealed the deal.

Thank you Yabits. Thats the nicest compliment you've ever given here on these boards. Indeed, there can be no greater honor then to be considered a malevolent conservative, by someone who defends those whose implied goals seems to be the actual destruction of the US economy, and its system of government.

I would however like to address your question, as to whether or not people with differing opinions are entitled to civility. For myself, the answer is yes. Even if I find myself completely baffled by the ignorance and hate spewed regularly by those on the left, I still believe they are entitled to their opinions. Indeed it saddens me that they don't feel that those on the right should be accorded the same rights that they are given.
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amerijapAug. 13, 2011 - 07:53AM JST

Heh, Obama has a 60% unfavorable rating.

On what specific category? He has a low approval rating in economy (less than 40%), but his overall approval rating has never slipped below 40% since he took the office. Sure, Americans held Obama responsible for credit downgrading, but, ironically, it was the Republican Congress who received more blame than the president and Democrats. Ditto to debt ceiling debate.

Regarding Wisconsin recall, Republican may win in the end, but that will quite unlikely let Scott Walker walk free. Too bad, he made a wrong choice--and the people witnessed that. The badger state is a swing state. I'm pretty sure he will see the day that the public makes him pay.
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arrestpaulAug. 13, 2011 - 12:51PM JST

yabits - The Democrats picked up two more seats held by Republicans. Hardly a defeat. By this time next year, heading into the rundown to November, Walker will have been thrown out of office. Hardly a defeat.

Hahahaha, you're a hoot. The Democrats failed to gain control of the legislature because the Wisconsin voters turned out in big numbers to vote against the union thug supporting, tax and spend Democrats - again. There is no logical reason to believe that Walker will be up for recall vote except for your wishful thinking. You're becoming increasingly more desperate (and insulting) and you're not convincing anyone. Keep up the good work.
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yabitsAug. 13, 2011 - 01:28PM JST

The Democrats failed to gain control of the legislature because the Wisconsin voters....

It wasn't "Wisconsin voters." The elections were local, nearly all in heavily Republican districts. And the Democrats took two of those six away from the Republicans and scored quite high in two other districts.

There is no logical reason to believe that Walker will be up for recall vote except for your wishful thinking.

It has nothing to do with wishful thinking. Had Walker been eligible for recall there would have been plenty of petitions calling for his hide. That will happen in due time. The Wisconsin Democrats, independents and progressives have lost none of their momentum. Walker won last November with 52% of the vote with a moderate turnout. With the working people of Milwaukee and Madison out in full force, Walker will be lucky to get 40%.

You're becoming increasingly more desperate (and insulting) and you're not convincing anyone.

LOL! Readers who need to be convinced only after Walker is held to a recall election may indeed be worthy of the insults.
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MolenirAug. 13, 2011 - 09:33PM JST

LOL! Readers who need to be convinced only after Walker is held to a recall election may indeed be worthy of the insults.

I'll only be convinced after Walker loses a recall. Until this happens, its all a fantasy by those pathetic desperate individuals on the left who haven't realized they've lost the debate.
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yabitsAug. 13, 2011 - 10:12PM JST

I'll only be convinced after Walker loses a recall.

For someone who asserts the Tea Party was trying to push "Cap and Tax," that would be par for the course.
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arrestpaulAug. 13, 2011 - 11:28PM JST

yabits - It wasn't "Wisconsin voters." The elections were local,

Yes, "local" meaning within the State of Wisconsin, aka "Wisconsin voters".

With the new voter ID law, it will be much more difficult for non-resident, teachers union supporting, progressive Democrats and their paid thugs of the SEIU-types to continue to commit voter fraud. Your beloved movement is failing as the "Wisconsin voters" outside of Milwaukee and Madison have taken back their State from tax and spend Democrats.
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yabitsAug. 13, 2011 - 11:50PM JST

Yes, "local" meaning within the State of Wisconsin, aka "Wisconsin voters".

LOL! That's pretty funny. Only the people of the respective districts voted. Most voters in Wisconsin did not participate. So referring to those who voted as though they represented the whole state is pretty funny. Republican control of Wisconsin just declined from 19-14 in the senate to 17-16, thanks to "Wisconsin voters."

With the new voter ID law, it will be much more difficult for non-resident, teachers union supporting, progressive Democrats and their paid thugs...

I can almost visualize the froth around your mouth as you wrote that. The movement will ultimately win because good always eventually triumphs over evil.
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MolenirAug. 14, 2011 - 07:51AM JST

For someone who asserts the Tea Party was trying to push "Cap and Tax," that would be par for the course.

From someone who insists the only solution is to raise taxes during a recession, and that we need to spend trillions more dollars we don't have, until we can no longer even pay the interest on the debt, well I'll take that as a compliment. It really is amazing how crazy some people are. Heh, this morning I saw a man talking to his shoe, and I immediately thought, who does that remind me of...

I can almost visualize the froth around your mouth as you wrote that. The movement will ultimately win because good always eventually triumphs over evil.

Is good to know then that sanity will eventually prevail, and fiscal discipline will triumph. And of course that Republicans will manage to beat back the evil unions and their thugs, who seem to think they are entitled to continue feeding at the public trough.
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arrestpaulAug. 15, 2011 - 09:32AM JST

yabits - LOL! That's pretty funny. Only the people of the respective districts voted. Most voters in Wisconsin did not participate. So referring to those who voted as though they represented the whole state is pretty funny. Republican control of Wisconsin just declined from 19-14 in the senate to 17-16, thanks to "Wisconsin voters."

Hahahaha, and "the people of the respective districts" ARE STILL Wisconsin voters.

The Republicans STILL control the Senate 17 to 16. The Republicans currently control the Assembly. The Wisconsin govenor is also Republican. The "tax and spend" Democrats are the minority party because that's how the Wisconsin voters voted.
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yabitsAug. 20, 2011 - 05:17AM JST

This has been a great week for progressives: the true fighters for freedom and justice.

First, the Republicans failed in all three attempts to unseat Wisconsin Democrats. The Democrats were successful in unseating two Republicans and came close to throwing out two more.

Secondly, after nearly 20 years in prison for a crime they did not commit, the West Memphis Three have been freed.