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USAFdude at 10:46 AM JST - 10th November

yasukuni -

Most anti-Bush people say they support the war in Afghanistan but not the one in Iraq, but not many can articulate why.

Well, here are my thoughts: If the leaders, chiefly Osama bin Laden, are located somewhere on the Afghan/Pakistan border, the majority of our military efforts should be in Afghanistan, not Iraq. Iraq is where the foot soldiers are; Afghan/Pakistan is where the enemy leaders are. What better way to win a war than by taking out the enemy's leaders?

Seems pretty articulate to me.
Proffessor at 03:40 PM JST - 10th November

Just get over it you Obama haters! The McCain camp simply failed, period. They lost the election......

Signed,...sealed,...and delivered.

Congratulations ObaBi '08!!!
yasukuni at 07:36 PM JST - 10th November

USAF, I agree with you actually.

I personally couldn't agree with going into Iraq in the first place because I doubted it would all be over as quickly as people thought.

My point about "many people" not being able to explain why they oppose it is that I think the public has little problem morally or philosophically with a war when its short and casualties are few.

Maybe not for people as intelligent and articulate as yourself, but if the relative difficulties were reversed for those two countries, you would have had people saying they could understand being in Iraq but not in Afghanistan.
yasukuni at 08:07 PM JST - 10th November

Simon - There is a difference between being tough and being negative.

McCain could have been much tougher in terms of pointing out the Democrats part in the reasons for the economic meltdown. If you don't know what that was, than there is one big evidence of media bias.

Also, what about Obama's negative campaign? He went on and on about hope for an AMerica where there is no black or white etc. What? He is a senator running for VP, went to Harvard, his wife and he both lawyers, with her having a dream job, and the Bush administration had Powell and Rice in two of the most powerful positions on the planet.

But some people are never satisfied. Jeremiah Wright has already come out saying that nothing has changed.
Simon_Foston at 12:59 AM JST - 11th November

McCain could have been much tougher in terms of pointing out the Democrats part in the reasons for the economic meltdown. If you don't know what that was, than there is one big evidence of media bias.

I'm not so sure that focusing on whatever the Democrats did in the past would really have helped him build a much stronger case against Obama.

Also, what about Obama's negative campaign?

In other words, "if you think our campaign was negative, just look at theirs." Sorry, that wouldn't get me out to vote for someone. I expect candidates to be tough on each other, and I expect negativity. When it overshadows their policy manifestos then I think it's a problem. But for the record, I know the Democrats managed to come out with some pretty offensive stuff. John Kerry's comment about McCain needing incontinence pants, for instance.
Taka313 at 02:06 AM JST - 11th November

"Also, what about Obama's negative campaign?"

First off, I agree with Simon. If someone does a better job at doing the same thing you are doing, you don't really have a moral leg to stand on.

Or in other words, I'll take smart negative over stupid stupid any day of the week.

On Monday, they shriek Obama is Muslim. On Tuesday, they say Obama's Christian preacher for 20 years is racist.

Well...which is it? If mccain's camp couldn't keep their smears from contradicting, how can they expect the electorate to believe a word of it.

Then there was the mccain camp's assault on common sense. Obama says, one way to cut down on oil usage is to keep your car tires properly inflated. The mccain camp then proceeds to mock that bit of common sense in the media and then spend money passing out tire gauges mocking Obama. Whenever you are on the other side of common sense, you are on the side of stupid.

Then there's the William Ayers thing. republicans screaming guilt by association about William Ayers after not raising a peep over the bush family's ties to the house of saud, plus bush jr. inviting the taliban to Texas is well...blatantly disingenuous. People saw through it. The big problem republicans are having is that none of their smears stuck because they either contradicted their other smears, were blatantly partisan or were flat out stupid.

Taka
yasukuni at 10:11 AM JST - 11th November

"On Monday, they shriek Obama is Muslim"."If McCain's camp couldn't keep their smears from contradicting.."

Who did? McCain? Palin? The GOP reps ?? Come on, who said that? Who "shrieked" that Obama is Muslim?

That is a smear.
Taka313 at 10:39 AM JST - 11th November

Yasukuni,

Who shrieked about Obama being Muslim?

Talk radio's michael savage, newsmax.com's david patten, the traditional values coalition, g. gordon libby, pajamas media, fox news, The Tennessee republican party, the National Black republican association and sean hannity, to name a few.

Any other questions?

Taka
Taka313 at 10:58 AM JST - 11th November

Yasukuni, I just re-read what I posted earlier. You are correct to call me out. No one in the mccain camp referred to Sen. Obama as a Muslim. I miss-typed. My intent was to state the GOP and the faction within the MSN biased against Sen. Obama when I mentioned the contradicting smears, not the mccain camp.

Thank you for correcting me.

Taka
yasukuni at 01:51 PM JST - 11th November

Taka. You just gained my respect. Probably doesn't mean much to you of course! But not many people in this world can do what you just did.
Nessie at 02:37 PM JST - 11th November

No one in the mccain camp referred to Sen. Obama as a Muslim.

There were reports that handlers of the beleaguered McCain were urging him to use the h-word (Hussein), but McCain had enough class not to go there.
Nessie at 02:49 PM JST - 11th November

McCain could have been much tougher in terms of pointing out the Democrats part in the reasons for the economic meltdown. If you don't know what that was, than there is one big evidence of media bias.

If McCain hadn't been on of the Keating Five, he could have hammered the Dems harder on the financial mess. As a Keating Five poster boy, however, he didn't have much lattitude on this. A beautiful example of "what goes around comes around." He got what he deserved.
yasukuni at 07:18 PM JST - 11th November

Nessie. Point taken, and I suppose that explains his reluctance. He has pretty well paid his dues on that episode though I think.
Taka313 at 11:43 PM JST - 11th November

Yasukuni,

Thank you. Your words DO mean a lot.

I'm married therefore saying, "I'm sorry. I was wrong." has become a way of life. ;-)

Taka
yasukuni at 09:45 AM JST - 12th November

Taka. Thanks man.

Not every married person can say sorry though. Take my wife! (eh ..not literally of course!)